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His intent was the want to release the information

He knew what would happen if he exposed anything. All of us who hold TS and above clearance know what the NDA states. Any time we release anything, we are impeding the mission for every individual.
 
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How is that not "heroic"? He did it with his own name, knowing that it will ruin his whole life. How many people would sacrifice their lives for something like that? Obviously the other people who knew about this didn't. Would you do it? Trying to avoid the worst possible outcome makes him a coward? Excuse me but what the hell? That's just normal. He would be unbelievably stupid if he did not try to avoid being killed/jailed.
 
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Teal said:
How is that not "heroic"? He did it with his own name, knowing that it will ruin his whole life. How many people would sacrifice their lives for something like that? Obviously the other people who knew about this didn't. Would you do it? Trying to avoid the worst possible outcome makes him a coward? Excuse me but what the hell? That's just normal. He would be unbelievably stupid if he did not try to avoid being killed/jailed.

Uh, yea. If he cant face the consequences, it makes him a coward. Heros face the worst when it comes time. Have you ever seen a superhero/hero run away? No. They face whatever comes their way.

Hell no I wouldnt do it. My family is more important than leaking information that is TS. Im not selfish.
 
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SheNinja said:
So him outing the government like this is treason and espionage how?

The Federal Whistle-blower Protection Act protects the public disclosure of “a violation of any law, rule, or regulation” only “if such disclosure is not specifically prohibited by law.” In other words, Snowden could claim whistle-blower protection only if he took his concerns to the NSA’s inspector general or to a member of one of the congressional intelligence committees with the proper security clearances.
 
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Well a superhero is mostly invincible ( at least comic book ones ), real heroes can try to avoid the consequences, and that doesn't make them any less heroic. He is avoiding the literally worst-case scenario he could face. He revealed how the government is spying on citizens / other countries, and then avoided being captured. Do I think that was cowardly to reveal information then try to completely avoid the consequences? Under the circumstances, no. He may have committed treason, but treason is not always a bad thing. Betraying the government and revealing how they are spying on citizens is something that may have alarmed those who were unaware of the very high possibility they are already doing it, I already knew, but without solid proof it could not have been confirmed. Back as far as 2008 has he stated he was going to disclose secrets about NSA surveillance.

Selfish? Hardly. In his case he had no family, no wife, no kids as far as I could find. I believe he might have a girlfriend, but that's about as far as it goes. Also, that in a way is selfish. Knowing what the government is doing and not alerting the entirety of the public about it. Millions are more important than a few. Of course your arguments are ripped straight off of Fox news, he is not a coward by any means. The other NSA operatives are more cowardly for not standing up against what they know is illegal and wrong. What kind of coward would risk everything to tell the public what the United States is doing? Why not just keep the salary of 200k a year and live comfortably knowing what is going on? Call him a traitor and fugitive to the states, but he is not a traitor the the public or the world. What coward for stand up against something that is greatly more powerful than he is? What coward would stand up and reveal what is really going on in the secrets of the United States and other nations governments?
 
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r3skyline said:
Uh, yea. If he cant face the consequences, it makes him a coward. Heros face the worst when it comes time. Have you ever seen a superhero/hero run away? No. They face whatever comes their way.

Hell no I wouldnt do it. My family is more important than leaking information that is TS. Im not selfish.

Batman has ran away countless times. Is he a coward? No. He's also a fictional character. Just like every superhero.

Also, are you going to say our founding fathers were cowards for not facing execution when they signed the Declaration of Independence? I'd say they were brave, just like Snowden.
 
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Spammy said:
Also, are you going to say our founding fathers were cowards for not facing execution when they signed the Declaration of Independence? I'd say they were brave, just like Snowden.



But they would have faced execution, if we America lost the war.
 
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PDC said:
Well a superhero is mostly invincible ( at least comic book ones ), real heroes can try to avoid the consequences, and that doesn't make them any less heroic. He is avoiding the literally worst-case scenario he could face. He revealed how the government is spying on citizens / other countries, and then avoided being captured. Do I think that was cowardly to reveal information then try to completely avoid the consequences? Under the circumstances, no. He may have committed treason, but treason is not always a bad thing.
Treason is ALWAYS a bad thing. No matter how you look at it. If you want to oust the government, there are better ways.

Betraying the government and revealing how they are spying on citizens is something that may have alarmed those who were unaware of the very high possibility they are already doing it, I already knew, but without solid proof it could not have been confirmed. Back as far as 2008 has he stated he was going to disclose secrets about NSA surveillance.

The general public already knew. It is really nothing new. For those who dont believe/dont know are just living under rocks at this point.

Selfish? Hardly. In his case he had no family, no wife, no kids as far as I could find.
He has parents doesnt he. Thats family.

I believe he might have a girlfriend, but that's about as far as it goes. Also, that in a way is selfish. Knowing what the government is doing and not alerting the entirety of the public about it. Millions are more important than a few. Of course your arguments are ripped straight off of Fox news, he is not a coward by any means. The other NSA operatives are more cowardly for not standing up against what they know is illegal and wrong. What kind of coward would risk everything to tell the public what the United States is doing? Why not just keep the salary of 200k a year and live comfortably knowing what is going on? Call him a traitor and fugitive to the states, but he is not a traitor the the public or the world. What coward for stand up against something that is greatly more powerful than he is? What coward would stand up and reveal what is really going on in the secrets of the United States and other nations governments?

My arguments are not ripped off of Fox news. My arguments are from the fact that I myself hold a TS clearance and know exactly what the NDA states. He broke the rules, he needs to suffer the consequences. No one should EVER just get away with something as confidential as this.

He is indeed a traitor to the public and the world. Who just goes and starts revealing stuff. What type of government do we have if we cannot even trust our own citizens with TS material?

Spammy said:
r3skyline said:
Uh, yea. If he cant face the consequences, it makes him a coward. Heros face the worst when it comes time. Have you ever seen a superhero/hero run away? No. They face whatever comes their way.

Hell no I wouldnt do it. My family is more important than leaking information that is TS. Im not selfish.

Batman has ran away countless times. Is he a coward? No. He's also a fictional character. Just like every superhero.

Also, are you going to say our founding fathers were cowards for not facing execution when they signed the Declaration of Independence? I'd say they were brave, just like Snowden.

Our founding fathers had to fight to get to where they had to, before they signed the Declaration of Independence. Fighting to me is definitely not cowardly.
 
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Treason is not always a bad thing. Boys betrayed the Nazis, that's betraying the government and the Gestapo. That was horrible wasn't it?

The general public did not already know. On the front line of every media news site there was not a headline story previous to this saying the government was spying on you. The explanatory videos were on much small sites. If the majority knew, this wouldn't be so big and shocking.

Good you hold a TS confidential allegiance to the government, and this person revealed the corruption of just that. Man, that is terrible. What type of government do we have if we are afraid of ourselves? A government that is afraid of its citizens and spies on them without reason.

His parents certainly were doing fine, and so far released no statement regarding his situation. Looks like they care a lot.
 
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In a world where anybody can be an enemy of the state. That's the world, PDC. This still doesn't fully justify why the government was doing this.
 
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r3skyline said:
What type of government do we have if we cannot even trust our own citizens with TS material???
What type of government do we have if it feels the need to keep spying on its own citizens secret?
 
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Cinesra said:
r3skyline said:
What type of government do we have if we cannot even trust our own citizens with TS material???
What type of government do we have if it feels the need to keep spying on its own citizens secret?

One where it wants to keep order. There are filters. Not like every person is a target.
 
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Cinesra said:
r3skyline said:
What type of government do we have if we cannot even trust our own citizens with TS material???
What type of government do we have if it feels the need to keep spying on its own citizens secret?

Unfortunately, not all of this government's citizens are honest, peace-loving people. I wonder how many of the people that are denouncing the government for this would be denouncing it for not stopping a terrorist attack?
 
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The wonderful thing about maintaining a democracy is that you only need to worry about the 51%. Meaning you can't please everybody.
 
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Familiar said:
Cinesra said:
What type of government do we have if it feels the need to keep spying on its own citizens secret?

Unfortunately, not all of this government's citizens are honest, peace-loving people. I wonder how many of the people that are denouncing the government for this would be denouncing it for not stopping a terrorist attack?

Probably most of them; it is a game of hypocrisy. After all, that was the reason this project was initiated -- to catch terrorist attacks. It's been rather successful, to tell you the truth.
 
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