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For Marshadow, if it is the third legendary I feel it could be based on a scorpion, possibly a snake. In Greek mythology there is the Manticore which is a mix of a lion, a bat, and a scorpion/snake.
We already have the lion and bat legendaries. People have been speculating a poison type cause of the word marsh in marshadow. The poison type would fit a scorpion/snake. Im leaning more towards a scorpion as we just had a third legendary based on a snake last gen.
Anyway, just an idea, it was the first thing to pop up when I googled "lion bat mythology. "
We already have the lion and bat legendaries. People have been speculating a poison type cause of the word marsh in marshadow. The poison type would fit a scorpion/snake. Im leaning more towards a scorpion as we just had a third legendary based on a snake last gen.
Anyway, just an idea, it was the first thing to pop up when I googled "lion bat mythology. "
The Zygarde Incident, anyone?
Seriously, how are you all missing out on Ghost as the most obvious candidate for Lunaala?
It's the type most associated with actual night-time, it's the creepiest type (whereas Dark is just about being mean) and the legendary looks like a skeletal bat-like creature formed like a moon. It would be shocking if Lunaala is not Ghost type.
summed up my thoughts on their types here:
http://pokehype.blogspot.co.at/2016/05/sun-and-moon-legendaries.html
It's the type most associated with actual night-time, it's the creepiest type (whereas Dark is just about being mean) and the legendary looks like a skeletal bat-like creature formed like a moon. It would be shocking if Lunaala is not Ghost type.
summed up my thoughts on their types here:
http://pokehype.blogspot.co.at/2016/05/sun-and-moon-legendaries.html
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Its a interesting theory, that is for sure. That said, my own predictions with the Legendary's typings is the following:
Solgaleo:
Fire/Electric
Fire/Psychic
Fire/Grass
Type explanations/reasoning - Solgaleo:
Fire/Electric:
Same as your definition on the point that the Sun has a natural electromagnetic field. In fact, this would be my preferred type if Solgaleo was considered to be the full, true embodiment of the Sun, being one of those Pokémon capable of shrugging off Water attacks, yet also be weak to it, because Fire/Electric has no resistance against Water.
Fire/Psychic:
This type has been speculated a lot for a while by other people. I can say I'd kind of dig it, but only for the sole reason that Psychic as a type also associates a lot with cosmic concepts. The second reason could be that the mark that lits up between its eyes is like a third eye, but this is pure guessing. That said, the type would fit as well, because Psychic as a type alone isn't often made very obvious in one's design.
Fire/Grass:
Fire/Grass is my second most preferred type, which is more focused on associations, rather than appearance. I chose this combo mainly because it was a new type combination not yet used in the franchise, and if there's anything I learned, is to expect that GF is unpredictable with their allocation of typings and that appearance alone doesn't always dictate one's type by sight. In addition, I have put Fire/Grass because of several other assocations:
Note: The following below is just my own fan reasoning to make Fire/Grass more appealing and shouldn't be taken as actual points for Fire/Grass typing.
1. Its mane looks like a detailed flower, incorporated with a five-pointed star. Could tie in with the Cosmos flower species, being part of the Sunflower family.
2. The Grass type itself is a reference to life in general, but also because plants, such as vegetables and fruit are healthy for one's person.
3. Flowers are a common aspect of Hawaii, and if Solgaleo is Fire/Grass, it goes well with the overall tropical theme of the region.
4. The Lion is often mistakely called "King of the Jungle". Also, Lions are native in the savannah, a type of grassland, befitting Solgaleo's speculated Grass-type.
5. The Fire Element is associated a lot with the passion and power of life, and the sun's light is essential to life in general.
6. Both Grass and Fire types, most of them of them anyways, can learn Solarbeam, a Grass type move, which in turn, ties it automatically with the sun.
As for Lunaala, I agree with the Ghost typing. It makes a lot of sense themamatically wise. But I don't see Ghost/Flying working that way, although their type colors still technically work with Lunaala's own color scheme. That said, here is my own play on the Ghost type, as well other possibilities:
Lunaala:
Ghost/Water
Ghost/Ice
Ice/Dark
Ice/Flying
Type explanations/reasoning - Lunaala:
Ghost/Water:
Ghost type is mostly associated with actual darkness and the occult as you already pointed out. Water, in turn, represents the moon's power to control the tides.
Ghost/Ice:
Ghost type is mostly associated with actual darkness and the occult, whereas Ice represents the fact the moon has deposits of lunar water ice, and both water and ice is known to reflect light. This would also tie into the fact that the Moon is known to reflect sunlight as moonlight. More, the type colors of Ghost and Ice fits with Lunaala. Furthermore, what could serve as an extra support for this type, is the official Pokémon site of Sun and Moon itself. There, at the background that showcases the sun on one half, and the moon on the other, if one looks careful, both these halves are radiating energy. The Sun radiates solar energy, and the moon appears to radiate waves of light akin to the Aurora Borealis, suggesting a Ice-type perhaps.
Ice/Dark:
Same thing with Ghost, Dark-type can also be associated with darkness, but isn't as obvious, whereas Ice represents the fact the moon has deposits of lunar water ice, and ice is known to reflect light. This would also tie into the fact that the Moon is known to reflect sunlight as moonlight.
Ice/Flying:
More focused on the fact that bats fly, whereas Ice type has the capability to reflect light, reflecting the Moon's natural ability to reflect sunlight. Also, once more, the moon is said to have lunar water ice, strengthing the reflective powers of the Moon. More, the type colors scheme of Ice and Flying fits with Lunaala.
Aside my speculations, other people tend to use Fairy, as the type is associated with the moon. While at first I was open to the possibility because of the latter reason, asthetically, I'm not seeing anything that makes it fit with Fairy . But that is my own opinion on the matter. For the rest, this will be my final speculation in terms of what I think what their types will be. I think I covered all my bases, and as such, I would be happy with any of these types. If they don't happen to be any of these types, it won't matter to me in the slightest.
More, I chose the above types with the purpose that I hope they will have a counter-balancing effect to them - that they're both effective against one another, unlike Xerneas and Yveltal, where Yveltal got the short end of the stick. For the counter-balancing idea to work, I have put the types in the following relationships:
Fire/Grass <-> Ice/Flying
Fire/Electric <-> Water/Ghost
Fire/Psychic <-> Ghost/Ice or Dark/Ice
Extra:
For the one called Marshadow, of which people think its the third Legendary and likely represents the Eclipse effect, I'm in the camp of it being a Dark/Poison type as many people have pointed out. Others seem to think its a Dark/Water type, which is also cool. Another possible type someone pointed out on another forum is Marshadow being a Dark/Rock type, but only if it happened to be a planetoid of some sort. That said, either type combo would work, if one accepts the speculation of the Legends possibly having a Counter-balance relationship in the following manner:
Dark/Poison Type or Dark/Rock Type:
Beats Fire/Psychic, Fire/Grass and Ghost/Ice
Dark beats both Psychic and Ghost. Poison beats Grass and isn't resisted by Fire. Rock type beats Fire and Ice types.
Dark/Water Type:
Fire/Electric and Water/Ghost
Water beats Fire and isn't resisted by Electric. Dark beats Ghost
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There's nothing wrong with it. Its just because this is a Legendary Pokémon and people like to have fun in speculating their types, especially if its brand new Pokémon. That said, I can ask the opposite in return too - What is wrong with having exotic dual typings? There's nothing with that either. For me, I just put what I thought might fit thematically and/or appearance wise. Right now, however, at this point of time, no one will know for sure what the types are going to be of these Legendaries.
Also, with GF's line of thinking these days, no one knows what they will do or not. They have become unpredictable. See the whole debate of them not making a "Pokémon Z", and instead going straight into Gen 7 with Sun and Moon.
Oh, guys! Here's an idea!
Solgaleo could be pure Fire, as the Sun is essentially a big space fireball. Lunaala (who I'm hoping keeps the double A's) could be Water/Ice since the moon controls our tides and because it's so cold in space. Plus, I feel like it would be interesting to see something like this.
LMAO I forgot there was a 2nd page so I posted this like the last message on the 1st was the last overall. Wow now my post sounds a little redundant...
Solgaleo could be pure Fire, as the Sun is essentially a big space fireball. Lunaala (who I'm hoping keeps the double A's) could be Water/Ice since the moon controls our tides and because it's so cold in space. Plus, I feel like it would be interesting to see something like this.
LMAO I forgot there was a 2nd page so I posted this like the last message on the 1st was the last overall. Wow now my post sounds a little redundant...
Just came up with a new theory related to the idea that Sun and Moon may be related to X and Y as Mitja theorized before. First off before I go on to state my theory, I have to say that the more I thought about it, the more sense it made that Lunaala is likely a Ghost/Ice type. As such, from this moment on, I'm fully supporting the notion that Lunaala is going to be said dual-type. Others may not see it from first glance, but there's a lot of ideas I thought up that support this theory of mine. If you want to know more, i will be glad to send a PM explaining it as its pretty extensive.
Now to my other theory, which in turn, doesn't only tie to my speculation of Lunaala's typing, but also to Mitja's theory of XY and Sun/Moon being related in lore:
Has anyone yet thought of the possible idea that the two Legends of Sun and Moon, as well the two Legends of X and Y are likely related to each other via the four seasons of the Earth? I tend to think so, and right in the following order:
Xerneas (Deer) = The Season of Spring
Solgaleo (Lion) = The Season of Summer
Yveltal (Condor) = The Season of Autumn
Lunaala (Bat) = The Season of Winter
Zygarde in turn, as such, would form the balancing force between the said four seasons and thus the ecosystem. After all, the seasons are essential to the ecosystem in varying manners
Now to my other theory, which in turn, doesn't only tie to my speculation of Lunaala's typing, but also to Mitja's theory of XY and Sun/Moon being related in lore:
Has anyone yet thought of the possible idea that the two Legends of Sun and Moon, as well the two Legends of X and Y are likely related to each other via the four seasons of the Earth? I tend to think so, and right in the following order:
Xerneas (Deer) = The Season of Spring
Solgaleo (Lion) = The Season of Summer
Yveltal (Condor) = The Season of Autumn
Lunaala (Bat) = The Season of Winter
Zygarde in turn, as such, would form the balancing force between the said four seasons and thus the ecosystem. After all, the seasons are essential to the ecosystem in varying manners
just a thought, wouldn't Yveltal as Winter and Lunaala as Autumn make more sense? (well probably not if Lunaala turned out to really be Ice type, but I kind of doubt that a lot at this point)
Well Yveltal doesn't really scream Ice-type, but is a Dark/Flying type. Dark, aside its connections to foul play and the like, also has a destructive aspect to it, hence why Yveltal is the Destruction Pokémon. He would represent Autumn mainly by its ability to absorb life-force from living beings before going into a deep sleep. The said sleep, if you really want to pull it further, could be equated to/ or foreshadow a "winters sleep" as Winter comes after Autumn.
Lunaala, in turn, if its really Ice type, represents the death aspect of winter. This works, because you once mentioned that Ghost has a lot to do with haunting, death, darkness, shadows, the occult, the night, etc. Lunaala looks, by appearance, very thin and deadly looking, and being a bat, its a nocturnal creature. Its chest is also very rib-cage like, which in turn appears to imprison the reflection of the moon. Lunaala's wings, not its claws, also depict small diamond-like shapes, which could lead to make Lunaala a ice-type.
That said, the reasoning I think Lunaala could be Ghost/Ice type is because of several things:
Ghost:
I think that mostly everyone agrees that Ghost is more themed after darkness and shadow, moreso than the Dark type. Looking deeper into that, darkness/shadow is often said to be the absense of heat, thus leading to cold. Gengar is a prime example of this, as his dex entries state that whenever he's present, the heat of its surroundings become lowered by 10 degrees Farhenheit. This is not saying that Ghost Type = Ice Type. Its just a effect. The Ghost type, as such, in Lunaala's case, could be like Lunaala's "shadow" covering the sun, creating a Solar Eclipse. Lunaala may be a Pokémon who, on purpose, is blocking out the power of the sun.
More, if you really want to go even further, Lunaala could be like a vampire bat. Whereas a vampire bat in real life (in fiction as vampires) sucks blood from the living to survive, Lunaala on the other hand could be compared with the potential ability to suck out body heat, creating cold and freezing those who are unfortunate to encounter Lunaala.
Ice:
Ice, as we know, is the frozen state of water, whereas the moon, as commonly known, controls the water's tides through gravity. However, by proven real-life science, the moon is also confirmed to have natural deposits of lunar water ice. The moon, in turn, creates moonlight by reflecting the light of the sun. What else is known to reflect light? Ice and water does. In essence, in a fictional manner, one can say that the Moon is technically a giant ball of ice made of frozen water, just like how the sun itself is often fictionally called a "ball of fire". Also, in Japan, the color White is often associated with death, and Lunaala showcases a lot of white in her design. More, Water, as a element in Wu Xing, which also auto-includes ice, represents death, as well the color Black, which in turn could associate with night. The Moon is also known to be a common symbol of the night in many fictional stories.
Lunaala, in appearance, atleast what I have seen in many fan arts, also looks very fearful and appears like it brings despair, whereas Solgaleo looks like the Pokémon who embodies the positive aspects of courage and hope, with courage being very commonly associated with the lion. The Japanese trailer did a very beautiful take on this. Now, I may be wrong in this theory of mine, but I think it brings out something interesting, especially with the idea of these two legends possibly representing the seasons of Summer and Winter respectively.
Solgaleo (the Sun) = Summer, Fire, Hope, Courage, Day
Lunaala (the Moon) = Winter, Ice, Despair, Fear, Night
Aside this, here's a fan story interpretation of how the Four Legendaries (or Season Legendaries as I call them) are depicted fictionally by me. This is not fact, but something just for fun:
Xerneas - the Blue Stag - Fairy Type - The Season of Spring:
As the Life Pokémon, Xerneas makes life spring and bloom into existence, even to things that have long since passed. It embodies and protects all things that live; from plants, to creatures such as humans and animals alike.
Solgaleo - the White Lion - Fire/Psychic Type? - The Season of Summer:
Solgaleo's great strength empowers and supports life, like plants who need sun-light to surivive, allowing life itself to develop strong and healthy enough to overcome the harshest of challenges. Its appearance is said to invoke the strength of hope and courage.
Yveltal - the Red Condor - Dark/Flying Type - The Season of Autumn:
As the Destruction Pokémon, Yveltal is the scavenger of life, stealing away life-force from living creatures, thus causing said creatures to wither and eventually die. Afterwards, Yveltal turns into a cocoon, possibly going in hibernation for the upcoming winter.
Lunaala - the Indigo Bat - Ghost/Ice Type? - The Season of Winter:
Lunaala's ghostly icy gaze consumes all manner of heat from all it gazes upon, causing a deadly winter as result that is sure to kill off plant life, and perhaps, ultimately, all life in general. creating a new Ice Age. Its said that its appearance signfies despair and fear.
Zygarde - the Green Dragon - Dragon/Ground Type - The Overseer of Natural Order:
As the Guardian of the Earth, and overseer of nature itself, Zygarde keeps order of the planet's natural ecosystem from deep within the Earth itself. Being massively powerful on its own right, Zygarde normally keeps its power dormant, making it appear weak at first glance. Once the ecosystem goes into disarray, however, only then will Zygarde appear and reveal its secret power hidden within its body, and use its said power bring back natural order on the planet.
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I'm fully convinced that they're:
Let me re-iterate on why I doubt either of them will have some exotic dual type:
Out of all the "big" legendaries, ALL of those with dual types are dual types for one of 2 reasons:
-they're part Flying, because they're simply airborne
-they're part Dragon, because GF thinks it automatically makes them more epic and mythic
In other words, they're always about one core, elemental if you will, type.
The only other way I could see that change with a pair of new mascots, is if their extra type was shared for a shared theme (like BW-mascots all being dragons...or even all musketeers being part Fighting, etc...). If we went with Sun and Moon for example, the most plausible shared type would be Psychic for its deepest "space"-association.
However, it doesn't matter because of one detail spotted in a japanese TV-spot that has a very quick new shot in it, showcasing Lunaalas forehead-symbol:
As you can see, even though Solgaleo has the Sun-Symbol on its forehead, Lunaala has this symbol instead of the Moon-symbol. And it looks far too reminiscent of the Psychic-Symbol to be ignored. Since only Lunaalas forhead symbol resembles the Psychic eye, I'm now convinced that Psychic will be Lunaalas core type, being the type rivaling Solgaleos Fire type.
Let me re-iterate on why I doubt either of them will have some exotic dual type:
Out of all the "big" legendaries, ALL of those with dual types are dual types for one of 2 reasons:
-they're part Flying, because they're simply airborne
-they're part Dragon, because GF thinks it automatically makes them more epic and mythic
In other words, they're always about one core, elemental if you will, type.
The only other way I could see that change with a pair of new mascots, is if their extra type was shared for a shared theme (like BW-mascots all being dragons...or even all musketeers being part Fighting, etc...). If we went with Sun and Moon for example, the most plausible shared type would be Psychic for its deepest "space"-association.
However, it doesn't matter because of one detail spotted in a japanese TV-spot that has a very quick new shot in it, showcasing Lunaalas forehead-symbol:
As you can see, even though Solgaleo has the Sun-Symbol on its forehead, Lunaala has this symbol instead of the Moon-symbol. And it looks far too reminiscent of the Psychic-Symbol to be ignored. Since only Lunaalas forhead symbol resembles the Psychic eye, I'm now convinced that Psychic will be Lunaalas core type, being the type rivaling Solgaleos Fire type.
If this is true, and its possible it could be, then, if there was a dual type combination for both Lunaala and Solgaleo, I would do the following:
Solgaleo:
Fire/Fighting
Lunaala:
Psychic/Ice
Both type combinations, if Solgaleo truly has a dual type combination, still works with my season theory (somewhat) and there's still a balance:
Fire beats Ice, whereas Psychic beats Fighting.
Despite this, you have a point that none of the major Legendaries ever had a counter type balance in-between them unless you involve the Tao Trio, which are all weak to Dragon type respectively. If so, Solgaleo and Lunaala should follow suit. Regardless, just because Lunaala has a Eye symbol on its head, doesn't really say whether its a Psychic type or not, because if you check the Pokémon TGC, the Eye symbol there covers Psychic, Ghost and even Poison type. So the Eye could still work for Ghost-type. Of course, I myself I prefer Ghost for Lunaala for the associations of the night, especially with the idea that Lunaala could be this bat whose shadow can cause a Solar Eclipse with its body. For Ice, I just chose it mainly for a nice Fire/Ice duality with Solgaleo, and because the moon, by physical associations, is stuffed full of lunar water ice, not to say Ice is reflective by nature, just as the moon is.
However. I don't really believe Lunaala has Flying type just because it flies. GF can always change around their rules, and I don't think it was ever established in stone that this was standard. I see Ghost more as a possibility than Flying, as Ghost, which kind of represents the Darkness with its many shadow themed moves, is more mysterious in nature, and Space itself is mysterious on its own. Also, Ghost-type moves like Confuse Ray or Shadow Force fit Lunaala pretty well, especially if Confuse Ray were to be caused by the "light of the moon".
If anything, I'd put my bets on Lunaala being a Psychic/Ghost type, so both types are checked off. Either way though, its a good explanation nonetheless. We will just have to wait and see what the 2nd of May is going to reveal next.
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Unless GF whips up a new "Cosmic/Space" typing (which it shouldn't) Psychic type is the most linked to outer space so it is a possibility that both end up with a Psychic type. When it comes to Lunaala, to put it briefly, it's not going to be an ice type. No part of its design nor its basis falls under the ice typing besides "it's cold at night". The only 3 typings it could be is Psychic, Ghost, and/or Flying, and maybe Dark but that's highly unlikely. Almost all air-borne models in the Pokemon games have been either a flying type or a ghost type (with some exceptions of course). That alone puts flying type at almost a given for Lunaala. Ghost typing would make sense given its skeletal look and kind of looking a bit more sinister. I would argue for a Dark/Flying type but making another box-art legendary Pokemon of that typing right after Yveltal doesn't seem plausible, and the fact that in Japan the dark type is known as "evil type", which brings entirely different connotations to it which as of right now, I don't quite see Lunaala as being evil. People tend to forget the dark type isn't really about literal darkness. Unless GF throws Levitate at it, a part flying type seems highly likely.
TL;DR - Psychic/Flying or Ghost/Flying seem to be what GF might go for in Lunaala's typing.
TL;DR - Psychic/Flying or Ghost/Flying seem to be what GF might go for in Lunaala's typing.
The reason I myself put Ice typing isn't because its only cold at night, because hat alone, yes, wouldn't be enough. Instead, I'm putting Ice-type mainly because the moon has natural deposits of lunar water ice, and both the moon as well ice have reflective properties. Just as people tend to call the Sun a big ball of fire, you technically put the Moon at the same level, calling it a big ball of ice. This combined with the Ghost typing, makes a lot of sense thematically wise. especially if Lunaala happens to be the embodiment of the moon itself.
But that is just my two cents.
If I had to choose though, Lunaala could be any two types of the following combinations, with Ghost being the most likely alone as a mono type: Ghost, Flying, Psychic or Ice
I understood the ice being an opposite to Solgaleo's Fire typing, but I'm not quite sure these legends need to have rivaling typings. I don't necessarily see them as rivals but simply existing at the same time like many legends before it. I feel like their situation will be similar to that of Lugia and Ho-Oh in which they're types don't even have to correlate with each other.
Fair enough. I just put my own input regarding their typings. They could rival one another or not. I just see more in these Legends and try to challenge myself if I can find more about the SuMo Legends than most people tend to do. The Sun and Moon have a lot of associations and tales in many stories and myths after all, so its interesting to try and find some links.
I could be completely wrong in my speculation, and if so, so be it. I only know that I and many others are sure of the idea that Lunaala could be Ghost Type at the very least. Perhaps even mono-type. Who knows?
That said, here's some other predictions, but of which have no basis or reasoning as to why these types may be possible:
Ghost/Dragon
Ice/Dragon
Psychic/Dragon
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So I don't know if anyone's posted this around here but the possible origins for the legendaries this gen could be based around the Polynesian God of war Kū ( who's associated with the Leo constellation) and the Peka-nui (a giant bat that carried off two kids and then turned into a snipe). It may be a bit of a reach, but I think it's a very possible basis to these legendaries that seemed off in a Hawaiian based region.