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Lou Cypher

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Today marked a huge tournament here in the Netherlands, the first big one with GE allowed. Since I attended it, I figured I'd tell y'all what was seen much and what not.

First, the Big 3 of the previous meta.

Gallantry
Gallantry is still effing strong. Period. Most seen in the top cuts, took one of them. More variety in this one as the previous one though. Seen: LunaRock, Shiftry Ex CG, Muk, Absol, Mawile GE, Claydol GE (unsurprisingly). Prepare for these.

Blissey
Very sparcely seen. No top cut finishes, barely scraping above X-3 record. Blissey is unable to keep up. Which is a good thing.

Magmortar
The other big deck of today. Interesting is the number of varieties. Typhlosion users were low, so anyone promoting Typhlosion: Buzz off. Blaziken varieties did better due to more techs. Interestingly, the two that made it to the finals both carried...MUK. And it did help.
Also worth of note; Yamato copies failed.

Now for the appearance of certain decks.

Wailord
Not seen often. The ones seen had a tendency to carry Togekiss. Didn't get past a 3-2, their speed still seems to be a main issue.

Flygon Ex
Mainly seen in lower catagories. Hauled in a few wins. Main user of Unown G throughout the tournament. Didn't get a top cut though.

Butterfree
Might have potentional, as it did get a few surprise wins. Main losses were suffered to Magmortar or bad hands.

Empoleon
Lapras seems to cause a minor revival. Got a top cut spot. Seems to be more potent now as it was in the HP-SW meta.

Banette
Who?

Now, for the appearance of some high-profile techs/additions to decks.

Claydol
Widely spread useage, but by far not everywhere. It seems that not everyone has a use for it. Surprisingly often in Magmortar.

Pachirishu
Not everyone considers what he does to be the best thing ever. It was around a lot but not everyone opted to run it.

Mawile
Seen here and there in single or double copies. Has a bigger impact on Gallade as I imagined, particulary if the Gallade player needs a few turns to get started (Usually at least 3 if they got a Pachi/Absol start).

Muk
Surprisingly, in the two finals I've seen, Muk was present in both of them. It does a good job at annoying stuff to death. Might be a big sleeper hit.

Togekiss
Surprisingly rare. Seen mainly in Wailord. Very few Blissey/Magmortars used it. Only seen in 1 Top Cut deck.

Absol
Still around, but has way less impact. Much more ways of recovery.

Team Galactic's Wager
Mainly seen in decks running Claydol. Obvious.

Darkrai
Flunked. Darkrai doesn't pull it's weight. Weavile varieties have too much start problems, non-Weavile varieties are trash. Only Darkrai deck I seen getting a positive result ran Wigglytuff.

Cresselia
Few seen, but did get high combined in Gallantry. Be wary of it.

Unown G
Seen mainly in Flygon. Wailord fears Pachi's 80-for-1, and Kingdra wasn't seen at all. Has to settle down for a place in the meta sometime soon.



If you want info on any card you want to know where it's been, feel free to ask and I'll add it.
 
Too bad Banette didn't get played, although I didn't expect it to be played either. I got bored with it after a month or 2. I like how Muk dived in surprisingly, annoying is still pretty efficient so I'm glad. But what happened to hand disruption?
 
For the most part what I expected, but what really suprised me was the fact that Muk saw play. Was it 1/1 tech or something?
 
Blissey'll never die. Too good for it. Since lunasol's out, it works real good in blissey/arcanine. Tried and tested.
 
Except that Arcanine dies too soon.

Muk was indeed generally used in a 1-1 line. Interesting stuff.
 
Muk has always been used as an annoyence. Its just going to get more popular with weezing. Everything you listed isn't surprising except how bad darkrai was doing. Cresslia will see play. Expect to see alot of other cards too (houndoom, I'm looking at you).
 
Intresting... but see, Mawile players are at a disadvanatge somewhat. It doesn't really help. :?
 
Muk is an amazing card. But most people will make a G&G counter, who would've played G&G, leaving G&G at a low number of plays and everyone else with a deck to counter 3 kids XD.
 
When I first got my Playset of Absol, the next day, GE came out lol. I wasted my cash. Anyways, thanks Lou for the Hype.
 
Hmmm. Muk in Mag, I like the idea. Got to try that one. I never thought Blaze would do so well in Mag, due to the retreat cost. So its pretty much Mag and G&G for the meta.
 
Papi/Manny said:
Muk has always been used as an annoyence. Its just going to get more popular with weezing. Everything you listed isn't surprising except how bad darkrai was doing. Cresslia will see play. Expect to see alot of other cards too (houndoom, I'm looking at you).
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Houndoom probably needs more test time before going to the big fishes. Muk hasn't been seen here AT ALL until yesterday. That is why I took note of it.

bonsly1994 said:
Intresting... but see, Mawile players are at a disadvanatge somewhat. It doesn't really help. :?
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It helps greatly against GG, but not against anything else.

Serjent_Tankian said:
Muk is an amazing card. But most people will make a G&G counter, who would've played G&G, leaving G&G at a low number of plays and everyone else with a deck to counter 3 kids XD.
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Don't think it'll work like that. GG is just so strong that there is no definite counter for it.

banettewilldestroyallofyou said:
Why make a whole deck to counter G&G when Mawile rips it apart by itself?
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Because you don't always get Mawile as your start?

?man said:
Hmmm. Muk in Mag, I like the idea. Got to try that one. I never thought Blaze would do so well in Mag, due to the retreat cost. So its pretty much Mag and G&G for the meta.
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Seems like it. For now, at least. Anyway, Blaziken didn't do THAT well in Mag, but better as Typhlosion.
 
Which is too late because then you can flip a grand 1 prize, while spending an energy discard for retreating and a trainer/supporter getting Mawile, at which point Gallade can already be charged up.
 
Mawile is such a poor counter to gallade. Seriously, its not even that hard to beat. Its just beating that and magmortar and blissey and lucario and bannette where the problem lies. But mawile is wasted deck space, resources, and a poor starter that folds to anything not named gallade in terms of usefullness.
 
Mawile is slow. And remember your opponent also has the choice of just using sonic blade then bringing down everything. Mawile doesn't really help.
 
Lou Cypher said:
Also worth of note; Yamato copies failed.
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That was something to wait for, we don't have pow and admin, that's why Magmortar/Claydol/Pachirisu didn't do well...we don't even know what was Yamato's deck, fight/fire energy doesn't clarify anything.

Seems very strange to me that nobody copied the japanese national champ deck that Tego mentioned on the 'gym.
 
Lou Cypher said:
Which is too late because then you can flip a grand 1 prize, while spending an energy discard for retreating and a trainer/supporter getting Mawile, at which point Gallade can already be charged up.
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So the Gallade player is going to consistently have a fully charged and ready to go Gallade by turn 3? I find that highly unlikely. mawile should be able to flip at the very least two prizes but more likely 3-4.

Papi/Manny: How is Mawile bad against G&G? It drastically reduces Gallade Psychic cut and is resistant to Gardy. It's really not that hard to find room for 1 Mawile to counter the most popular deck in the format. You're not wasting to many resources to get it out since Roseanne's research can get it and the energy to retreat whatever you ahve active. Most decks now also run Pachirisu so you can just get Mawile as one of the three basics with CFF then retreat next turn.
 
banettewilldestroyallofyou said:
Lou Cypher said:
Which is too late because then you can flip a grand 1 prize, while spending an energy discard for retreating and a trainer/supporter getting Mawile, at which point Gallade can already be charged up.
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So the Gallade player is going to consistently have a fully charged and ready to go Gallade by turn 3? I find that highly unlikely. mawile should be able to flip at the very least two prizes but more likely 3-4.

Papi/Manny: How is Mawile bad against G&G? It drastically reduces Gallade Psychic cut and is resistant to Gardy. It's really not that hard to find room for 1 Mawile to counter the most popular deck in the format. You're not wasting to many resources to get it out since Roseanne's research can get it and the energy to retreat whatever you ahve active. Most decks now also run Pachirisu so you can just get Mawile as one of the three basics with CFF then retreat next turn.
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First off, yay. Somebody who can spell Manny right. Anyways, wasting two bench spaces is absolutely horrible to stop one pokemon while not even developing your side (unless you're very lucky). It dies in two hits and a good GaG player (which is the only GaG player you really need to worry about) can easily counter mawile. So its not worth the wasted resources running it/playing it and using it.
 
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