Sunday, 2/24, "The Rise of Darkrai" Review / Opinions / Notes

I was pleased with the movie. It's really a toss up for me between this and Lucario and the Mystery of Mew for my personal favorite. This was a little better since the storyline was actually interesting and not your typical saving the day film. What made the movie successful is the fact that there were twists and turns. For example, for the first half of the film, Darkrai is preceived to be the main villain in the movie. In the back of your head you know that Dialga and Palkia are causing that time-space problems, but Darkrai is convincing enough to make you think it was also a villain. Its cryptic, "Go away," was intriguing and I liked how it tied into the nightmare that Ash had. It was also a pleasent surprise at how they concluded that Darkrai was good. Tonio confessed that he was not responsible for saving Alecia's life when they were children and how it was Darkrai who saved her, yet he saved her life right there on the bridge to maintain that hero aspect in Alecia's mind. Lastly, I did find it odd how the only thing that could settle the rage between Dialga and Palkia was the song, Oración. Although, it tied in nicely with Darkrai's existance in the garden, so that was put together nicely. Oh, yeah... Did I mention how much camera time Chimchar got? :p
 
Aww man, Ash doesn't call Palkia an idiot in the dub.Hes just like''Ohh, make it the way it was man, my voice when I show enthusiasm is like Donald the Duck''.Oh yeah, in pokemon mirage special, brock sounds like Daffy the duck!?!?..
 
Did not anyone listen to my lecture on the highly near to same similarities with the charecters and some dead architect called Antonio Gaudi?C'mon you would probably want to know, look back at the last 2 pages or so..
I'm watching the last 5 mins..
:D
Kevin Garrett said:
What is that supposed to mean? o_O

I'm not sure myself.I was bored and wanted to post crap on how crap Ash sounds when he thinks he's all serious and cool.Ash you idiot.Or as Brocky the duck would say ''ashht, youst idiotstt!''LOL:D:D:D
I have finished watching Pokemon movie 10:Rise odf Darkrai.I have to say It's EASILY THE BEST POKEMON MOVIE EVER, and one of the best movies I have ever seen.I like the way the storyline changes, as it also develops.One second it seems that Darkrai is evil, the other, he is clearly good.I liked other complexities and bits too.Like the way Tonio DIDNT SAVE HER, Darkrai did, and the way that the passed down song saved the day.10/10!:d
 
I really liked this movie truthfully, the story line was very good, Like Kevin said, the story had twists and turns like how Darkrai was actually good when he was thought to be the main threat in the Movie but he was not. The begining was very well done with the Hourglass falling because of the shock waves of Dialga and Palkia battling. Even though WPM you think that Darkrai's voice could be better, it was perfect, it was this dark, deep voice that if you pictured yourself in a dark place, then heard that voice, you would have hairs sticking up on your back. The parts that really were weird was that Darkrai had such big legs, and i thought that goof with Dialga entering and Ash yells "Darkrai..." it was bothering me for a while. I thought it was funny that aipom climbed up the tower instead of taking the stairs.
The end was clear perfection, how you saw the shadow of Darkrai when you thought he was in another Demention... or even dead, and i thought he was right there and not on top of the tower.
Overall i'll give the movie a 9.3... pretty close to perfect, this is my all time favorite movie... then comes Destiny Deoxys =D

And KG, Chimchar will get loads of more time once they start coming out new American episodes (After they translate all of the things) and then Chimchar will be on nonstop now that he is in Ash's party.
 
ssb4ever said:
And KG, Chimchar will get loads of more time once they start coming out new American episodes (After they translate all of the things) and then Chimchar will be on nonstop now that he is in Ash's party.
I see the movies the the anime as being two seperate things, even though they are related. That's why it's cool that Chimchar had more camera time than Piplup and Turtwig. :p
 
-_-... and Pikachu had more time than all of them... HA (no clue why i just typed that =p) I thought that that was Ash's Chimchar since alot of Pokemon Movies are made up to Japan's where abouts in Anime, so usually they show things that are ahead of what we know about the story in Anime so far...
Chimchar... =/ i always thought that Turtwig was cool/better... then i saw the Tier List... BL 0.0... ad that is why i do not go against you bragging about Chimchar like most noobs will because in the long run... he's cooler XD... (how did I get into this discussion of Turtwig and Charmander poser Chimchar?) 0.o
 
Again, I really liked the movie.


I just wanted to say one more thing. What was with the city, like, sprouting wings in the end? o_O
 
Now I have my own personal opinion about the movie, but the musical score is the best I've ever seen in a Pokemon movie, probably forever. They couldn't have had a better theme to the movie (Oracion) and I think it ties into the main story as well.

I didn't like Ash yelling at the end anyway. They should've cut it all out, IMO. The movie just got a so-so after that part. Musical Score wise, best Pokemon movie ever. Voice acting - Terrible I've ever seen. I didn't like Darkrai as much, but I will forever hate all those new voice actors, and it's always exemplified in the movies. Lol KG. Screen time for Chimchar. When I first saw the trailer for the movie, I thought it was Ash's Chimchar that he had caught. It turns out I was wrong, and I didn't notice it until halfway into the movie. :p

dmaster out.
 
Togeshroob said:
Again, I really liked the movie.


I just wanted to say one more thing. What was with the city, like, sprouting wings in the end? o_O
It was heavenly wings, like an angel. The tower was sprouting the wings, not the city. Then it closes the wings on the entire city, restoring it.
 
you really dont care? maybe yell at nintendo and not cartoon network. there the ones who do international stuff (like making europe and AU waiting till june 16th for smash bros brawl. (13 days until here :)

so yell at nintendo and speedy do even read what i write? I SAD UPLOADING meaning someone (not you) actually tivoing it and uploading onto youtube. You watching it is in no way of breaking the law. im talking about the idiot who put it up on youtube!!!!!

so thanks for chewing me out and completeing down grading me when i didnt even accuse of anything....
 
Water Pokémon Master said:
Togeshroob said:
Again, I really liked the movie.


I just wanted to say one more thing. What was with the city, like, sprouting wings in the end? o_O
It was heavenly wings, like an angel. The tower was sprouting the wings, not the city. Then it closes the wings on the entire city, restoring it.

Oh... Okay. I had someone talking to me at that part, so I didn't really get to pay much attention to it. Thanks, though.

d master, I agree with you. This movie definitely had the best soundtrack of a Pokemon movie. I love the Oracion song and Darkrai's theme (it sounded a lot like Phantom of the Opera :p).

This kind of gets you excited for the 11th movie, huh? Too bad it'll be another year before it's out. Oh well.
 
Does anybody know if Cartoon Network will be showing an encore of this? I decided to record it, commercials and all, as I had intended to scrutinize it later on. However, I accidentally forgot to record the portion after the last commercial break, where Team Rocket is running from the disappearingness saying, "This kind of blasting off we don't need!" As I had already recorded so much of it, I might as well go all the way. I saw the whole thing, however. Just the last part I messed up recording and accidentally recorded the opening sequence for Bakugan, apparently.

By the way, Bakugan is about marbles, not cards. There's a huge difference between Yu-GI-Oh! and shows like these that are transparently toy commercials: YGO was never originally meant to sell anything. In fact, it wasn't until towards the end of the Japanese Season 1 that the card game was introduced, and then well into Duelist Kingdom that the real cards were released. Before then, it was about Yami Yugi inflicting curses upon greedy or cruel people. Curses that live up to his title of "Dark King." The twist is that the person to have a curse must lose in a game against Yami Yugi. Here, you can see it from the beginning.

Bakugan is more closely related to shows like Beyblade, Chaotic, or Battle B-Daman in that the product was created, then the show was made for it. They follow shounen conventions to a T, as they are aimed strictly at impressionable small children new to shounen. There's always a brave and adventurous lad as the star (usually in their tweens or younger), a clearly evil person who's evil for the sake of it, and very long and thorough explanations on how to play the game. And a lot of CGI. To anyone older than that, they should be clear that they're made to sell the toys, though from what I know, Beyblade is the only one to have done this successfully outside of Japan. (In a way, Pokémon would fall into this category too, though this franchise's staying power is far longer than any other in its class, and it's often misinterpreted in the States and Europe due to the show coming out before the games, as opposed to Japan where it's the other way around.)

By the way, the pronunciations of "gyro" depend on what you're talking about. You call it "JEE-ro" when you're referring to the Greek dish. You call it "JYE-ro" when you're referring to something that balances by spinning. The latter is correct when it comes to "Gyro Ball," and I think Alberto pronounced it in this way. As for "Oración," I'm more familiar with Spanish than French, and the proper Spanish pronunciation is roughly "oh-rah-see-OWN." That's what I've called it, and I still can't get myself to call it anything else.
 
i just want to say this blew away Heroes for me (second fav) if anyone wants to argue the Orcion song is probably the best musical score piece in ANY pokemon Movie hands down ( it even beats out the guardian song/legends comes to life from pokemon the movie 2000. This song captures the japans heart and integrity in this movie....I love it.....I cant wait till the movie comes to DVD....this movie is my 2nd fav now.....probably the best in a long time.....and the VERY POKEMON FILM TO KILL A POKEMON BUT THEN RETURN!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!
 
Darkrai didn't die. He got swallowed up by the purpleness like everything and everyone else. When the city returned, he should have to, and he did! :)

Plus, Darkrai kept taking hits from D/P and kept coming back fine, so it's not like he was weak. :p
 
(Seriously Ultimate, no one cares...)

I think I will argure your point on Orcion though The Legend comes to life is a classic :/ It'll always be my fave, second only to Tears of Life and Medly from spell of the Unown.

The movie was so-so... I actually enjoyed Manaphy way more than this one but that is purely my opinion :D They'll never come close to the first three ever again that's for sure... >.>
 
that was the best movie ever!!!!! i don't see how anyone thought any other pokemon movie was better
 
Well, it felt a lot like the first three. Then, for some reason or another, the studio got a new person to write, and we suddenly had clear-cut villains, usually some sort of Team Rocket super-agent or two (which is a BAD thing, narratologically speaking), the Legendary Pokémon featured stopped talking, and what we were left with was ordinary, ho-hum storytelling, even more so than the first three movies. It felt this way up to Destination Deoxys, though I didn't see any of them between that and Manaphy, so I wouldn't know how the Lucario one went.

In relation to other movies, however, The Rise of Darkrai is pretty standard, still. It just simply has a strong Pokémon theme going around it, so it must be watched with a certain mindset to enjoy it, which it looks like most of you did. Like most anime movies based on a pre-existing franchise, it's built for the established fans already in that it provides no context--the viewer is assumed to already know the overlying plot of the movie. It cannot be jumped into by newcomers. (For instance, the One Piece movie FUNimation recently released, even though it summarizes the events of the Alabasta arc, will make no sense to someone green to One Piece, as it explains no character histories and lacks any character introductions.) If you didn't know, in this case, that Dialga controls time and Palkia space, or that they're complementary Legendary Pokémon; or that Pokémon Trainers carry Pokémon around in Poké Balls, when they can be released and recalled at any time (and believe me, plenty of people don't know even this), then The Rise of Darkrai will completely lose them.

Stripping the story down to its barest, it is still lacks noteworthiness. The story is that two forces that absolutely hate each other, which destroys everything in thier path, have moved too close to home. A moderating force tries in vain to stop them from quarreling, and it's only from intervention through a deus ex machina that the forces in conflict come to a truce. While it's not always a deus ex machina that provides the resolution (and a deus ex machina is considered a writing flaw, but more on that later), countless stories have been written that concern this, as it's a simple plot that can be applied to any time period, any location, and any context. While the antagonistic motive isn't clear, the threatening forces are.

In addition, many things in this movie felt contrived. The biggest thing is that Godie's giant machine happened to be in Alamos Town. Had the fight between Palkia and Dialga occured anywhere else, our heroes would have failed, and the city would have dissipated. Another major thing is Oración. There is no explanation as to how Alicia composed the song, why it has soothing properties, or how Godie's machine has the disc for it. Was it some sort of premonition Alicia had that it could bring peace between Dialga and Palkia? Did Darkrai help in composing it, as he clearly has detailed knowledge of Dialga and Palkia even in Alicia's time? It should have been obvious from the moment Alice put a stop to the fight over the Pecha Berry in the garden by playing Oración that this song would be needed to stop Dialga and Palkia. It's also awfully convenient that in the same town lies the composer to the ultimate song to calm down Pokémon. Together, this essentially amounts to Osama bin Laden showing his face in Washington DC: You know he'll be in major trouble because of where he's stumbled onto.

It was also made too obvious that Tonio is the audience surrogate. It's excusable in shows like Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, which doesn't take itself too seriously and frequently breaks the fourth wall, but this story seems to be more serious than the show. Tonio acts as a walking clock for when the climax will occur, thanks to his computer he carries around. We, as the audience must accept without question his readings on space and time, and he never explains the anomalies--just that they exist and how extreme they are. His computer readings make no sense either. Of course, it's probably difficult to give an explanation to things as complex as space and time, downright impossible to stretch the laws of physics enough to explain the workings of the plot, and completely unnecessary on the kids this movie is targeted towards. I mean...Pikachu already defies many laws of physics. Any explanations to the plot's events would be the equivalent of, to any quantum physicist, putting a pot over his or her head and banging on it.

That being said, I actually enjoyed it...It reminded me of my days in middle school, when I'd get very excited over the first few Pokémon movies. This would probably hype kids up just as much. But the fact remains that this was built with kids as the intended audience and that the size of the Pokémon fanbase, and how Ash, Brock, Dawn, Team Rocket, and their Pokémon cannot have any character development due to this being a satellite of a continuing series, means the creative forces need not put much effort to please its viewers. I mean...I can think of ways to make a Pokémon movie story that critics WOULD probably like, but they would scare the little tykes right out of the theaters. being older than the target audience, the only way I could get into the movie is to see it through the POV of a Pokémon fan, and that's what I did. As I saw it, however, I was aware that people indifferent to seeing, say, Drifblim or Lickilicky on the big screen, or anime action, would find The Rise of Darkrai, and all other Pokémon movies a grinding bore. (With the possible exceptions of The Origin of Mewtwo and Pokémon the Movie 3, which had a greater concern for ethics regarding children than Pokémon.)
 
Ophie said:
In addition, many things in this movie felt contrived. The biggest thing is that Godie's giant machine happened to be in Alamos Town. Had the fight between Palkia and Dialga occured anywhere else, our heroes would have failed, and the city would have dissipated.
Darkrai warned Gaudy in his dreams of what was to come, and it probably would have warned others somehow if it were to occur elsewhere. They would have figured SOMETHING out to stop the two fighting.

Ophie said:
Another major thing is Oración. There is no explanation as to how Alicia composed the song, why it has soothing properties, or how Godie's machine has the disc for it.
Again, Darkrai warned Gaudy via his nightmares of what was to come. One day in the garden, Gaurdy heard Alicia playing Oracion, noticed it healed and calmed Pokemon, and decided "he must leave behind the Oracion to protect the future." So, he put it on a disc, in the middle of a big turning table, to be placed in the middle of a big turning table in the future when the event was to occur. His "instructions" were quite obvious. As for explaining the healing properties, I am sure the writers don't know themselves. It's just made up. How does Jigglypuff put people to sleep? How does Pokemon Flute wake people up? How does Melody's song heal Lugia?

Ophie said:
It's also awfully convenient that in the same town lies the composer to the ultimate song to calm down Pokémon. Together, this essentially amounts to Osama bin Laden showing his face in Washington DC: You know he'll be in major trouble because of where he's stumbled onto.
It's not convenient - it's how the writers set it up. :p If the writers did not have this town or Alicia/Alice, they would have thought of another situation.

Ophie said:
It was also made too obvious that Tonio is the audience surrogate. It's excusable in shows like Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, which doesn't take itself too seriously and frequently breaks the fourth wall, but this story seems to be more serious than the show. Tonio acts as a walking clock for when the climax will occur, thanks to his computer he carries around. We, as the audience must accept without question his readings on space and time, and he never explains the anomalies--just that they exist and how extreme they are. His computer readings make no sense either. Of course, it's probably difficult to give an explanation to things as complex as space and time, downright impossible to stretch the laws of physics enough to explain the workings of the plot, and completely unnecessary on the kids this movie is targeted towards. I mean...Pikachu already defies many laws of physics. Any explanations to the plot's events would be the equivalent of, to any quantum physicist, putting a pot over his or her head and banging on it.
From being a huge Star Trek fan, most of the movie did seem like it sort of would make sense if it were real life. I mean, tearing open space is possible (at least in theory), going from one dimension to the other is possible (in theory). Controlling time and space isn't though, obviously. What I think doesn't make any sense is how any human (Gaudy) would be able to design the Space-Time tower to produce golden wings that fix everything. I am pretty sure Oracion doesn't cover disintegration.

Ophie said:
Regarding fans, critics, etc.
It seems as if the only way Pokemon will gain greater acceptance is if the plot does not focus on Pokemon. The third movie received the highest ratings out of all of the ones released in theaters because it centered around a little girl, her emotions in losing both of her parents, and Pokemon were just part of the story. This is also how earlier Pokemon episodes were too - they focused more on the humans than the Pokemon. Nowadays, it's the opposite, and it makes everything much more boring. It's like every episode is centered around a new Pokemon, a trainer of the day, etc.

Wow, I think this is the first time EVER on these forums I have enjoyed writing such a lengthy response. Keep up your intelligent posts!!
 
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