Ruling supporters and trainers.
- Thread starter Chanman
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That does not end your turn. Your turn is only ended when you attack.
But you should not place a trainer on top of a supporter, that is certain. You should play it next to the supporter or so. Much handier.
But you should not place a trainer on top of a supporter, that is certain. You should play it next to the supporter or so. Much handier.
yes indeed your turn ends only when you attack or announce DONE and next time try to play your trainer in your discard pile incase of things like this again (even if it isnt WRONG)
It's up to the head judge to determine what kind of punishment should be given for game play errors. Playing cards incorrectly like that is a serious game play error (not major but still serious) and when repeated after getting warned, can even end up in a prize loss. If still continued, a game loss.
Ending your turn is not a standard punishment (not written in the official ruling guidelines), but the head judge has the final word on everything. He can even judge wrong and everyone is proving him/her wrong, but his/her word is law. Tough luck :/
(I guess the TO was also the head judge. If not, only the tournament head judge can issue those kind of punishments.)
Ending your turn is not a standard punishment (not written in the official ruling guidelines), but the head judge has the final word on everything. He can even judge wrong and everyone is proving him/her wrong, but his/her word is law. Tough luck :/
(I guess the TO was also the head judge. If not, only the tournament head judge can issue those kind of punishments.)
I guess I'll be the one to say that judge is out of line.
Was this the Head Judge that forced you to do that? Because the Head Judge is required to approve all penalties above a Warning.
Anyway, that is a minor game play error. It does not confuse or otherwise affect the game state in any way, unless someone is just asleep at the wheel (like you trying to sneak in two Supporters in a turn). There's no way I'd give any sort of game state altering penalty for it, unless it happened repeatedly -- that is, way more than twice.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with putting a Trainer in the Supporter area so your opponent can clearly see what you're playing, performing the Trainer action, then moving it to the discard. I'd have a hard time finding a judge that would. Apparently you found one.
Also, there is a prescribed list of penalties -- Caution, Warning, Prize Loss, Game Loss. I don't see forcing a player to end their turn on that list. I'd love to know how he plans to report that to POP.
You can always email [email protected] and tell them you think the judge inappropriately issued a penalty. They do track those things and take things up with the PTO if there is a pattern of poor judging.
Was this the Head Judge that forced you to do that? Because the Head Judge is required to approve all penalties above a Warning.
Anyway, that is a minor game play error. It does not confuse or otherwise affect the game state in any way, unless someone is just asleep at the wheel (like you trying to sneak in two Supporters in a turn). There's no way I'd give any sort of game state altering penalty for it, unless it happened repeatedly -- that is, way more than twice.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with putting a Trainer in the Supporter area so your opponent can clearly see what you're playing, performing the Trainer action, then moving it to the discard. I'd have a hard time finding a judge that would. Apparently you found one.
Also, there is a prescribed list of penalties -- Caution, Warning, Prize Loss, Game Loss. I don't see forcing a player to end their turn on that list. I'd love to know how he plans to report that to POP.
You can always email [email protected] and tell them you think the judge inappropriately issued a penalty. They do track those things and take things up with the PTO if there is a pattern of poor judging.
I agree with CK. (Guess my post is slightly misunderstandable since I didn't know how to properly explain what I wanted to say in english... Eh...)
But yes, the judge was out of line, and yes you can file a complaint about it. It is not unusual though for a head judge to make bad calls like that. I've heard of a few cases. It doesn't mean it's ok though. Just that the head judges word still is law during the tournament. What happens after is a different matter.
And for a personal ruling on that situation, if you were playing in the masters, I would have given a caution, if repeated a warning and so fourth. I have seen a game loss been given by a head judge after someone making three (not even major) game errors (one caution, 2 warning). This was in masters, and I agreed. Someone playing in the masters should have had more concentration on the game than that.
The penalty's are very dependable on the age groups you play in.
But still that was uncalled for :/
Sometimes you end up in tournaments with bad judges. The best thing to avoid situations like that is to play your cards correctly. Call a judge every time there is a difficulty in the game. And take your time to keep track of the game state!
And I'd like to say that judges are people too. Sometimes bad judging happens purely out of misunderstandings or other humanly mistakes. But the mistakes are still reportable.
But yes, the judge was out of line, and yes you can file a complaint about it. It is not unusual though for a head judge to make bad calls like that. I've heard of a few cases. It doesn't mean it's ok though. Just that the head judges word still is law during the tournament. What happens after is a different matter.
And for a personal ruling on that situation, if you were playing in the masters, I would have given a caution, if repeated a warning and so fourth. I have seen a game loss been given by a head judge after someone making three (not even major) game errors (one caution, 2 warning). This was in masters, and I agreed. Someone playing in the masters should have had more concentration on the game than that.
The penalty's are very dependable on the age groups you play in.
But still that was uncalled for :/
Sometimes you end up in tournaments with bad judges. The best thing to avoid situations like that is to play your cards correctly. Call a judge every time there is a difficulty in the game. And take your time to keep track of the game state!
And I'd like to say that judges are people too. Sometimes bad judging happens purely out of misunderstandings or other humanly mistakes. But the mistakes are still reportable.