Seriously? Was my massive post just... ignored? The most reliable translation of the Smash video says that Sylveon is not Fighting Type, is 'strong' against Ice, and Poison is super-effective against it. The only thing in there that doesn't jive with the Fairy information from the source is being strong against Ice, and while there are a number of explanations for it, I think you'll find if you look in the spoiler marked 'Regarding WPM's source' I actually mention this discrepancy. I'm not dancing around it at all.
As P.DelSlayer said, it's entirely possible that they were simply showing that Ice type wasn't resistant to moves of Sylveon's type. Since Smash actually didn't specify (being a children's show) what she technically would have done, it could also mean that Sylveon gets access to Fire, Fighting, Steel, or Rock type moves. I don't believe they even said it was supereffective though, I think they just said that she was able to break the ice block so they thought she might be Steel type.
Please, I urge you to go back and read my post. I did the research, I tabled out the facts, and there is not a single monotype Pokemon that falls into Not-Fighting/Strong against Ice/Weak to Poison. There are very few dualtypes that fall into that grouping. Even if you change 'Strong against Ice' to 'Neutral against Ice', the only monotype that opens up is the Grass type, and it doesn't change the dualtype possibilities as they're all part Grass anyway.
Leaferian, not every post deserves a reply. You stated your stance thoroughly and it doesn't really need debating. as with any translation, there can be meanings lost in translation or meanings extrapolated from a translation that do not apply to the meaning of the words in the original language. Simply arguing over such translation issues will not establish much of anything (if anything at all) and will only serve to raise tempers, if things go the way I have seen in the past. I'm certain those that sincerely were interested in the information read your post and took it into consideration while the others who could care less simple skipped over the longer parts in a TL;DR fashion. In reading your post, I did not find anything worth arguing or that I felt needed further exposition. Seeing the lack of replies, I assume many other readers are in a similar position and believe replies would add little to the discussion besides useless volume. I personally dislike posting replies that say nothing more than "You could be right; my conclusions were similar/it could also be infered that [insert infinitesimally altered theory here]." or anything similar.
BTW: Yes, this is really how I talk when I try to explain a point. I like precise words to say exactly what I mean without being over-used or cliche. I use "big words" to avoid more common phrases that carry a wider variety of possible meanings, thus lessening the margin for my statements' meanings to be confused.
As it says above, I'm a little late to the party on this discussion. I feel like in this forum, it's mostly accepted that there is a new type coming to the game, that it's called Fairy, and that Sylveon will be that type. I'm gonna make a bit of a post making a further case for it though, if that's not too bothersome.
[1.] There is already a 'Fairy' Egg Group.
Egg Groups are Bug, Ditto, Dragon, Fairy, Field, Flying, Ground, Human-like, Amorphous, Mineral, Monster, Plant, Water 1-3.
Of the 13 Egg Groups (Not counting the 2nd/3rd Water) 1 is a single Pokemon, 7 are not types, and 5 are currently types. While this does not automatically mean Fairy would be a type, it sets precedent.
Mawile, rumored by WPM's source to gain the Fairy type, is in the Fairy Egg Group (As well as Field)
Other Pokemon in the Fairy Egg Group are: Pikachu line, Clefairy line, Jigglypuff line, Chansey line, Togepi Line, Marill line, Hoppip line, Snubbull line, Shroomish line, Skitty line, Plusle/Minun, Roselia line, Castform, Snorunt line, Pachirisu, Cherubi line, Manaphy/Phione, Audino, and Cottonee line. Most of these are monotype, and a good number are Normal type.
[2.] The names of Sylveon have a Fairy-related etymology.
The Japanese name for Sylveon is 'Nymphia', the French is Nymphali. Both are derived from 'nymph', a type of forest or water fairy/sprite.
The German name is Feelinara, which is derived from the German word 'fee' or 'feen' which means pixie or fairy.
The English, Spanish, and Italian names are Sylveon, which seems to be derived from 'sylph', a type of wind spirit or fairy.
[3.] The border around Sylveon in the movie promotion appears to be a pink insect-like wing.
Espeon's border is a gemstone, which seems to bear some connection to 'Esper', the Japanese name for the Psychic type. In the Diamond/Pearl Pokedexes, it says 'the orb on its forehead glows when it uses psycho-power'. The Psychic-gemstone relationship is shared by Starmie, Slowking, Spoink, Grumpig, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Elgyem, and Beheeyem.
Umbreon's border appears to be some sort of demonic fang, eye, or wing. In Japanese, the Dark type is called 'Aku', which means 'evil' or 'wicked'.
Sylveon's border is a dark pink oval split into lighter pink sections. The design of these sections seems to form a sort of insect-like wing. It's important to remember that in popular culture, Fairies tend to be depicted with a pair of wings which are split into either two or three separate sections much like those of butterflies.
Each of the other previous Eeveelutions has a fitting border based on their element.
[4.] The 'Type Test' of Pokemon Smash indicates either a new type or a dual-type Pokemon.
This point has variables based on the translation you look at. According to Pokejungle's translation:
The hosts tested to see if Sylveon was Fighting – she failed.
Next they tested to see if she was strong against ice – she was!
She was strong against Ice, so they tested if she was Steel by attacking her with poison type – She wasn’t resistant to it, in fact, it was super-effective against her! *Please note that the 'super-effective' bit was edited in after the writer did a better translation, and is therefore considered the 'accurate' statement.
Others have said that this test only revealed that Sylveon was not immune or resistant to Poison, indicating only a neutral effectiveness. Some say the test to see if she was Fighting type revealed she was weak against Fighting. Still others claim that the tests were only to find out if Sylveon was any of the three types mentioned, and that she didn't seem to be any of them. Therefore, I'll break down the different types based on the various weaknesses and resistances.
~Weak to Fighting: Normal, Ice, Rock, Dark, Steel
Dark and Ice are taken up by Umbreon and Glaceon, Ice is not strong against Ice.
Eevee is already Normal, although otherwise this would be possible.
Rock is eliminated, as Rock is resistant to Poison.
Steel is eliminated, as Sylveon is shown not to be Immune to Poison. ~Super Effective against Ice: Fire, Fighting, Rock, Steel
Fire is taken up by Flareon.
Fighting is eliminated, as Sylveon is either 'not Fighting' or weak to Fighting.
Rock is eliminated, as Rock is resistant to Poison.
Steel is eliminated, as Sylveon is shown not to be Immune to Poison. ~Weak to Poison: Grass
Grass is taken up by Leafeon, and is not strong against Ice.
As you can see, no monotype could fit this collection of advantages/disadvantages. Now, let's see if any dual-typed Pokemon do. At the bottom I'll leave my data in a spoiler so you can all take a look, but outside of that I'm going to only talk about what fits.
~Pokejungle's Translation: Not Fighting, Strong Against Ice, Weak to Poison
Grass/Fire: Not Fighting type, strong against Ice, and weak to Poison. ~Pokejungle's earlier Translation: Not Fighting, Strong Against Ice, Not Resistant/Immune to Poison
Grass/Fire: Not Fighting type, strong against Ice, and weak to Poison.
Grass/Rock: Not Fighting type, strong against Ice, neutral damage from Poison. ~Fighting-Weak Theory #1: Weak against Fighting, Strong Against Ice, Not Resistant/Immune to Poison
Grass/Rock: Weak to Fighting, strong against Ice, takes neutral damage from Poison. ~Fighting-Weak Theory #2: Weak against Fighting, Strong Against Ice, Weak to Poison
No combination that I know of.
So yeah, if any of those translations are correct then Sylveon would have to be either Grass/Fire or Grass/Rock to be any existing type.
The only options I can see are a new type, redefined strengths/weaknesses of existing types, or that this video merely meant to illustrate that Sylveon was none of the three types tested. (I find that last option to be unlikely, given the Pokejungle translation) If I've missed anything, do let me know. The type match-up data was taken from my Pokemon Platinum Official Guide and checked against the type chart on Serebii.net as well as Pokemondb.net, so I'm reasonably certain it's accurate and I don't think I missed any combinations.
[Type Alterations between R/B/Y and G/S/C]
I got this from Pokemondb.net as well, the last time type alterations were made. I edited it into the post, because I forgot to include it when I first posted.
There were no Dark or Steel types.
Ghost-type moves had no effect on Psychic Pokemon. This was actually a mistake: several game guides stated that Ghost was super-effective on Psychic, and an in-game trainer at Saffron City says that "Psychic Pokemon fear only ghosts and bugs!" However, this only affected one move: Lick. The two other Ghost moves, Confuse Ray and Night Shade, affected all Pokemon equally. It was corrected in Generation II when Ghost became super-effective against Psychic.
Bug was super-effective on Poison and vice-versa. This was changed so that Bug is now not very effective against Poison, and Poison now does regular damage against Bug.
Bug was regularly effective against Ghost. Now it is not very effective.
Ice type moves were regularly effective against Fire type Pokemon. Now they are not very effective.
[Dual-typing Data]
Normal/Ice is double-weak to Fighting, but isn't strong against Ice and takes neutral damage from Poison. Normal/Rock is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but is resists Poison. Normal/Dark is double-weak to Fighting, but isn't strong against Ice and takes neutral damage from Poison. Normal/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison. Ice/Rock is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but resists Poison. Ice/Dark is double-weak to Fighting, but isn't strong against Ice and takes neutral damage from Poison. Ice/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison. Rock/Dark is double weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but resistant to Poison. Rock/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to poison. Dark/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to poison.
Fire/Rock is weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but resists Poison. Fire/Fighting is strong against Ice, but isn't weak against Fighting and takes neutral damage from Poison. Fire/Steel is weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison. Fighting/Rock is weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but resists Poison. Fighting/Steel is weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison. Rock/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison.
Grass/Normal weak to both Fighting and Poison, but isn't strong against Ice. Grass/Dark weak to both Poison and Fighting, but isn't strong against Ice. Grass/Ice weak to both Fighting and Poison, but isn't strong against Ice. Grass/Fire is strong against Ice and weak to Poison, but isn't weak to Fighting. Grass/Fighting is strong against (and weak to) Ice and weak to Poison, but isn't weak to Fighting. Grass/Rock is strong against (and weak to) Ice and weak to Fighting, but takes neutral damage from Poison. Grass/Steel is strong against Ice and weak to Fighting, but immune to Poison.
[Regarding WPM's Source]
If the info WPM was given on Fairy Type's weakness/resistances is correct:
Psychic at 3 weaknesses, 3 resistances.
Fire at 3 weaknesses, 6 resistances.
Fighting at 3 weaknesses, 3 resistances.
Dark at 3 weaknesses, 2 resistances, 1 immunity (3 resistances if bypassing immunity.
Dragon at 3 weaknesses, 4 resistances, and 2 types it is ineffective against.
Poison at 2 types it is strong against.
Steel at 3 types it is strong against.
Ice at 5 weaknesses, 1 resistance.
Has WPM made a statement regarding the Pokemon Smash video? I'm curious what his source has to say about the supposed super-effectiveness against Ice types.
I didn't notice this before, interesting points. Pretty much everything is pointing to Fairy type. I wish they called it Light, instead of this very feminine name. Oh well.
Leaferian, not every post deserves a reply. You stated your stance thoroughly and it doesn't really need debating. as with any translation, there can be meanings lost in translation or meanings extrapolated from a translation that do not apply to the meaning of the words in the original language. Simply arguing over such translation issues will not establish much of anything (if anything at all) and will only serve to raise tempers, if things go the way I have seen in the past. I'm certain those that sincerely were interested in the information read your post and took it into consideration while the others who could care less simple skipped over the longer parts in a TL;DR fashion. In reading your post, I did not find anything worth arguing or that I felt needed further exposition. Seeing the lack of replies, I assume many other readers are in a similar position and believe replies would add little to the discussion besides useless volume. I personally dislike posting replies that say nothing more than "You could be right; my conclusions were similar/it could also be infered that [insert infinitesimally altered theory here]." or anything similar.
BTW: Yes, this is really how I talk when I try to explain a point. I like precise words to say exactly what I mean without being over-used or cliche. I use "big words" to avoid more common phrases that carry a wider variety of possible meanings, thus lessening the margin for my statements' meanings to be confused.
I completely agree. It's not that we didn't appreciate your post. I'm sorry if it didn't get the response you were hoping for. :/
I agreed with everything you said. I like the possibility of a new type, but I feel that there is no solid proof. So really, though your points may be heavy with evidence, there's still room for other speculations.
If this isn't written well, my bad. I'm trying to play zombies as we speak. Lol
I didn't say every post deserved a reply, nor was I asking for one. I felt that the post had been skipped over, which is a damn shame to have happen. Halfrican claimed that we were dancing around the Ice-type thing, and as I said in my case that was just not true. It's like you started to wash the dishes, and someone passive aggressively yells "Oh, so no one's going to do the dishes then?" It's just a little irksome and I felt the need to say something, that's all, and then decided to discuss the new line of conversation while I was at it.
As it says above, I'm a little late to the party on this discussion. I feel like in this forum, it's mostly accepted that there is a new type coming to the game, that it's called Fairy, and that Sylveon will be that type. I'm gonna make a bit of a post making a further case for it though, if that's not too bothersome.
[1.] There is already a 'Fairy' Egg Group.
Egg Groups are Bug, Ditto, Dragon, Fairy, Field, Flying, Ground, Human-like, Amorphous, Mineral, Monster, Plant, Water 1-3.
Of the 13 Egg Groups (Not counting the 2nd/3rd Water) 1 is a single Pokemon, 7 are not types, and 5 are currently types. While this does not automatically mean Fairy would be a type, it sets precedent.
Mawile, rumored by WPM's source to gain the Fairy type, is in the Fairy Egg Group (As well as Field)
Other Pokemon in the Fairy Egg Group are: Pikachu line, Clefairy line, Jigglypuff line, Chansey line, Togepi Line, Marill line, Hoppip line, Snubbull line, Shroomish line, Skitty line, Plusle/Minun, Roselia line, Castform, Snorunt line, Pachirisu, Cherubi line, Manaphy/Phione, Audino, and Cottonee line. Most of these are monotype, and a good number are Normal type.
[2.] The names of Sylveon have a Fairy-related etymology.
The Japanese name for Sylveon is 'Nymphia', the French is Nymphali. Both are derived from 'nymph', a type of forest or water fairy/sprite.
The German name is Feelinara, which is derived from the German word 'fee' or 'feen' which means pixie or fairy.
The English, Spanish, and Italian names are Sylveon, which seems to be derived from 'sylph', a type of wind spirit or fairy.
[3.] The border around Sylveon in the movie promotion appears to be a pink insect-like wing.
Espeon's border is a gemstone, which seems to bear some connection to 'Esper', the Japanese name for the Psychic type. In the Diamond/Pearl Pokedexes, it says 'the orb on its forehead glows when it uses psycho-power'. The Psychic-gemstone relationship is shared by Starmie, Slowking, Spoink, Grumpig, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Elgyem, and Beheeyem.
Umbreon's border appears to be some sort of demonic fang, eye, or wing. In Japanese, the Dark type is called 'Aku', which means 'evil' or 'wicked'.
Sylveon's border is a dark pink oval split into lighter pink sections. The design of these sections seems to form a sort of insect-like wing. It's important to remember that in popular culture, Fairies tend to be depicted with a pair of wings which are split into either two or three separate sections much like those of butterflies.
Each of the other previous Eeveelutions has a fitting border based on their element.
[4.] The 'Type Test' of Pokemon Smash indicates either a new type or a dual-type Pokemon.
This point has variables based on the translation you look at. According to Pokejungle's translation:
The hosts tested to see if Sylveon was Fighting – she failed.
Next they tested to see if she was strong against ice – she was!
She was strong against Ice, so they tested if she was Steel by attacking her with poison type – She wasn’t resistant to it, in fact, it was super-effective against her! *Please note that the 'super-effective' bit was edited in after the writer did a better translation, and is therefore considered the 'accurate' statement.
Others have said that this test only revealed that Sylveon was not immune or resistant to Poison, indicating only a neutral effectiveness. Some say the test to see if she was Fighting type revealed she was weak against Fighting. Still others claim that the tests were only to find out if Sylveon was any of the three types mentioned, and that she didn't seem to be any of them. Therefore, I'll break down the different types based on the various weaknesses and resistances.
~Weak to Fighting: Normal, Ice, Rock, Dark, Steel
Dark and Ice are taken up by Umbreon and Glaceon, Ice is not strong against Ice.
Eevee is already Normal, although otherwise this would be possible.
Rock is eliminated, as Rock is resistant to Poison.
Steel is eliminated, as Sylveon is shown not to be Immune to Poison. ~Super Effective against Ice: Fire, Fighting, Rock, Steel
Fire is taken up by Flareon.
Fighting is eliminated, as Sylveon is either 'not Fighting' or weak to Fighting.
Rock is eliminated, as Rock is resistant to Poison.
Steel is eliminated, as Sylveon is shown not to be Immune to Poison. ~Weak to Poison: Grass
Grass is taken up by Leafeon, and is not strong against Ice.
As you can see, no monotype could fit this collection of advantages/disadvantages. Now, let's see if any dual-typed Pokemon do. At the bottom I'll leave my data in a spoiler so you can all take a look, but outside of that I'm going to only talk about what fits.
~Pokejungle's Translation: Not Fighting, Strong Against Ice, Weak to Poison
Grass/Fire: Not Fighting type, strong against Ice, and weak to Poison. ~Pokejungle's earlier Translation: Not Fighting, Strong Against Ice, Not Resistant/Immune to Poison
Grass/Fire: Not Fighting type, strong against Ice, and weak to Poison.
Grass/Rock: Not Fighting type, strong against Ice, neutral damage from Poison. ~Fighting-Weak Theory #1: Weak against Fighting, Strong Against Ice, Not Resistant/Immune to Poison
Grass/Rock: Weak to Fighting, strong against Ice, takes neutral damage from Poison. ~Fighting-Weak Theory #2: Weak against Fighting, Strong Against Ice, Weak to Poison
No combination that I know of.
So yeah, if any of those translations are correct then Sylveon would have to be either Grass/Fire or Grass/Rock to be any existing type.
The only options I can see are a new type, redefined strengths/weaknesses of existing types, or that this video merely meant to illustrate that Sylveon was none of the three types tested. (I find that last option to be unlikely, given the Pokejungle translation) If I've missed anything, do let me know. The type match-up data was taken from my Pokemon Platinum Official Guide and checked against the type chart on Serebii.net as well as Pokemondb.net, so I'm reasonably certain it's accurate and I don't think I missed any combinations.
[Type Alterations between R/B/Y and G/S/C]
I got this from Pokemondb.net as well, the last time type alterations were made. I edited it into the post, because I forgot to include it when I first posted.
There were no Dark or Steel types.
Ghost-type moves had no effect on Psychic Pokemon. This was actually a mistake: several game guides stated that Ghost was super-effective on Psychic, and an in-game trainer at Saffron City says that "Psychic Pokemon fear only ghosts and bugs!" However, this only affected one move: Lick. The two other Ghost moves, Confuse Ray and Night Shade, affected all Pokemon equally. It was corrected in Generation II when Ghost became super-effective against Psychic.
Bug was super-effective on Poison and vice-versa. This was changed so that Bug is now not very effective against Poison, and Poison now does regular damage against Bug.
Bug was regularly effective against Ghost. Now it is not very effective.
Ice type moves were regularly effective against Fire type Pokemon. Now they are not very effective.
[Dual-typing Data]
Normal/Ice is double-weak to Fighting, but isn't strong against Ice and takes neutral damage from Poison. Normal/Rock is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but is resists Poison. Normal/Dark is double-weak to Fighting, but isn't strong against Ice and takes neutral damage from Poison. Normal/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison. Ice/Rock is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but resists Poison. Ice/Dark is double-weak to Fighting, but isn't strong against Ice and takes neutral damage from Poison. Ice/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison. Rock/Dark is double weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but resistant to Poison. Rock/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to poison. Dark/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to poison.
Fire/Rock is weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but resists Poison. Fire/Fighting is strong against Ice, but isn't weak against Fighting and takes neutral damage from Poison. Fire/Steel is weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison. Fighting/Rock is weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but resists Poison. Fighting/Steel is weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison. Rock/Steel is double-weak to Fighting and strong against Ice, but immune to Poison.
Grass/Normal weak to both Fighting and Poison, but isn't strong against Ice. Grass/Dark weak to both Poison and Fighting, but isn't strong against Ice. Grass/Ice weak to both Fighting and Poison, but isn't strong against Ice. Grass/Fire is strong against Ice and weak to Poison, but isn't weak to Fighting. Grass/Fighting is strong against (and weak to) Ice and weak to Poison, but isn't weak to Fighting. Grass/Rock is strong against (and weak to) Ice and weak to Fighting, but takes neutral damage from Poison. Grass/Steel is strong against Ice and weak to Fighting, but immune to Poison.
[Regarding WPM's Source]
If the info WPM was given on Fairy Type's weakness/resistances is correct:
Psychic at 3 weaknesses, 3 resistances.
Fire at 3 weaknesses, 6 resistances.
Fighting at 3 weaknesses, 3 resistances.
Dark at 3 weaknesses, 2 resistances, 1 immunity (3 resistances if bypassing immunity.
Dragon at 3 weaknesses, 4 resistances, and 2 types it is ineffective against.
Poison at 2 types it is strong against.
Steel at 3 types it is strong against.
Ice at 5 weaknesses, 1 resistance.
Has WPM made a statement regarding the Pokemon Smash video? I'm curious what his source has to say about the supposed super-effectiveness against Ice types.
I didn't notice this before, interesting points. Pretty much everything is pointing to Fairy type. I wish they called it Light, instead of this very feminine name. Oh well.
Except Light wouldn't really be what the type is about. Fairy is a perfect description of the type, and there would be no real purpose to deviate from Fairy.
It's just my personal preference; i'll call it something else when im playing the game, but everywhere else ill say fairy so as not to confuse. I just dislike overly-feminine things. Blech
Again, response isn't what I cared about, and I'll thank you all not to assume as much. If nobody ever said a word regarding the post I wouldn't care. If things went on and my post was lost to the early pages of the thread, then that's the way the cookie runs its marathon. The thing that was bothering me was that someone made a post just two posts after mine, on the same page even, which clearly disregarded statements I'd made. I was speaking to them and only them, which I thought was pretty clear given that I was responding to his posts. Sue me, I replied instead of quoted, and sarcastically offered to repost it for him (or her).
Whitefire said:
It's just my personal preference; i'll call it something else when im playing the game, but everywhere else ill say fairy so as not to confuse. I just dislike overly-feminine things. Blech
Personally, I don't really think Fairy is overly-feminine. Yes, there is a kind of fairy popular with young girls in the West, but fairy is quite a lot more broad a term than Tinkerbells and Navis. I think the deciding factor will be what they add to the type; A lot of the cutesy Normal types seem like candidates, but if the source is correct then that's not all there'll be. Mawile, for example, is pretty patently terrifying despite being small. That crazy ponytail mouth is pure nightmare fuel.
It's just my personal preference; i'll call it something else when im playing the game, but everywhere else ill say fairy so as not to confuse. I just dislike overly-feminine things. Blech
No offence, but then I guess that's really your issue. Which is fine, your not complaining. It's just that its your fault if you think of fairy as "overly-feminine". Don't get me wrong, I know what it's like growing up in western culture, but in the context of what we're talking about it has nothing to do with being feminine.
@Leaferian; that's cool, but then you should have been more specific to whom you were addressing rather than starting out with something that is seemingly referring to everyone.
I wonder what kind of Abilities Fairy types would get, especially if Sylveon is one of them. Most of the Eeeveelutions have stuff like Flash Fire or their elemental equivalent, right?
I wonder what kind of Abilities Fairy types would get, especially if Sylveon is one of them. Most of the Eeeveelutions have stuff like Flash Fire or their elemental equivalent, right?
Togekiss and Blissey have Serene Grace. It could be an ability well used by Fairies.
The first 3 had their absorb of their type (Flash Fire, Volt Absorb and Water Absorb), Umbreon and Espeon had Synchronize and Leafeon and Glaceon had abilities that had to do with weather. Its different every time so it might get an ability that isn't about absorbing damage from the attack of its own type.
IMO that's like saying bugs arent [always] insects [again, opinion, dont shoot me]. I'm not 'hating' on the type, just... so girly... [andimstraightfemalewat]. Probably have them for the sake of completion, some due to type changes, and probably get stuck with some in a nuzlocke.
You're kidding, right?
We have Bug type crabs, spiders, pineapples and shells... That aren't insects at all. In Pokémon, not everything is as literal as you think.
The Bug type is used very widely, so will the Fairy type be.
pinsir's base is a bug, spiders are bugs, pineapple? ludicolo is grass/water, and shrimp are insectoid.
But i digress. I guess then I will await the day they make a manly/'badass' fairy type. Until then, I'm standing by my opinion and not doing much else about it.
pinsir's base is a bug, spiders are bugs, pineapple? ludicolo is grass/water, and shrimp are insectoid.
But i digress. I guess then I will await the day they make a manly/'badass' fairy type. Until then, I'm standing by my opinion and not doing much else about it.
Never talked about Pinsir.
Spiders aren't bugs Oo It seems that you don't know what you're talking about. Spiders are arachnids, just like scorpions and other. Please, learn some biology or don't talk about it ^^"
Insects and arachnids are sub classes of arthropoda, but you shouldn't confuse them. Bugs are a sub class of insects.
Plus, I have to apologize. I didn't meant a pineapple, but a fir cone. Got the words wrong, not a native speaker ;D
The Bug type is really used very, very ... generously in Pokémon. So will the Fairy type.
Whitefire was actually correct in his usage of the word bug, as spiders are informally classified as bugs. The word bug can be used to any of the following species; if it was called the Insect type, then there would be a problem, but that is not the case.
Wikipedia said:
Biology
Formally, an insect of the order Hemiptera, known as the "true bugs"
Informally, an arthropod—except marine crustaceans—or other small pest, excluding rodents and including individuals or species of
insect
spider
centipede
millipede
mite
tick
woodlouse
Additionally, Forretress is not based off of a pinecone, but a bagworm. It even shares the same species name with Burmy: the Bagworm Pokemon.
The Bug type does stick very close to its name when modeling the Pokemon which bear its type. Pretty much all of them are a bug, in one form or another.
I want to say something about Sylveon being super effective against Ice. I'm thinking the reason Sylveon was strong against Ice in Pokémon Smash was prehaps because of a move she used my thoughts are Brick Break a Fighting Type move which Pokémon of all types can learn. I'm thinking that there was maybe a mistranslation along the way, though I could be wrong so feel free to correct me if so.
The Bug type does stick very close to its name when modeling the Pokemon which bear its type. Pretty much all of them are a bug, in one form or another.
Didn't know about that "informal use" in english. %D My point still stands in every other language, as far as I see.
@Light type Pokémon exist:
A mistranslation and / or misunderstanding of that part of the show is widely rumoured. That "Sylveon is strong against Ice" can mean much ^^ We'll just have to wait for clarification.
The Bug type does stick very close to its name when modeling the Pokemon which bear its type. Pretty much all of them are a bug, in one form or another.
Didn't know about that "informal use" in english. %D My point still stands in every other language, as far as I see.
@Light type Pokémon exist:
A mistranslation and / or misunderstanding of that part of the show is widely rumoured. That "Sylveon is strong against Ice" can mean much ^^ We'll just have to wait for clarification.
That aren't insects at all. In Pokémon, not everything is as literal as you think.
