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terrakion ex/mewtwo ex/bouffalant ( need help)

zapper1998

zapper1998

Aspiring Trainer
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Hey everybody. ive been playing these deck for a while and i would like your guys thoughts on how to improve it. Im up for anything.

Pokemon
3 Terrakion ex
3 Mewtwo ex
2 Terrakion (NV)
2 Bouffalant (110/124)

Supporters/Trainers
4 Juniper
4 N
2 Bianca
2 Chern
4 pokemon Catchers
4 Switch
3 Energy switch
3 Plus power
3 Eviolite
2 enhanced hammer
2 exp share
2 tool scapper
1 super rod

Energy
10 Earth
4 DCE
Strategy is to set up terrakion ex turn three to be hitting 90 and attaching multiple energy . Mewtwo for mewtwo counter and bouffalant for shaymin ex or mew ex counter
 
I would recommned getting some space for heavy/ultra ball.

-3 pluspower (not really needed you already 2HKO everything this won't change much)
-2 Energy switch (won't help much)

+3 Ultra Ball
+2 Heavy Ball
 
Sinnoh_Champion_Ernesto said:
I would recommned getting some space for heavy/ultra ball.

-3 pluspower (not really needed you already 2HKO everything this won't change much)
-2 Energy switch (won't help much)

+3 Ultra Ball
+2 Heavy Ball
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^totally agree with him. other than that:
-2 enhanced hammer
+2 cheren/bianca (I think you'd need to draw more)
 
zapper1998 said:
Hey everybody. ive been playing these deck for a while and i would like your guys thoughts on how to improve it. Im up for anything.

Pokemon
3 Terrakion ex
3 Mewtwo ex
2 Terrakion (NV)
2 Bouffalant (110/124)

Supporters/Trainers
4 Juniper
4 N
2 Bianca
2 Chern
4 pokemon Catchers
4 Switch
3 Energy switch
3 Plus power
3 Eviolite
2 enhanced hammer
2 exp share
2 tool scapper
1 super rod

Energy
10 Earth
4 DCE
Strategy is to set up terrakion ex turn three to be hitting 90 and attaching multiple energy . Mewtwo for mewtwo counter and bouffalant for shaymin ex or mew ex counter
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Looks good to me with a few exceptions... 1. Spligyph would completely tear it apart. so maybe garbodor(DRX) would be nice to add. and personally everybody is playing terrikion/mewtwo ex. I understand that it is popular cause its good and yes that type of deck won worlds but the thing is I personally prefer not to play terrikion or mewtwo simply because everybody is playing it and with everyone playing it if you manage to find a really good counter to it all (other then itself/mirror match) you will be in very good shape. Plus their quickly making cards to counter them like spilgyph, or manectric, or gabodor (darkrai counter) I would think about adding in restored aerodactyl his ability gives you infinite plus powers and many wont be using him, and be sure to add twist mountain. its always good to try something people wont see coming, because right now people are thinking constantly on mewtwo/darkrai/terrikion/garchamp/eelecktrik counters.

remove plus powers and pokemon catchers and terrikions
add in cobalion and an eelectrik line 4-3-3 (eelectross is the same as having pokemon catchers, and eelectrik can attach energy to mewtwo. just a few things to think about. use eelectross to "catch" high retreat pokemon into the active spot, use hammers, and cobaloin to destroy. and you have way too many drawing supporters a durant match up would not favor you.
 
trunks592002 said:
Looks good to me with a few exceptions... 1. Spligyph would completely tear it apart. so maybe garbodor(DRX) would be nice to add. and personally everybody is playing terrikion/mewtwo ex. I understand that it is popular cause its good and yes that type of deck won worlds but the thing is I personally prefer not to play terrikion or mewtwo simply because everybody is playing it and with everyone playing it if you manage to find a really good counter to it all (other then itself/mirror match) you will be in very good shape. Plus their quickly making cards to counter them like spilgyph, or manectric, or gabodor (darkrai counter) I would think about adding in restored aerodactyl his ability gives you infinite plus powers and many wont be using him, and be sure to add twist mountain. its always good to try something people wont see coming, because right now people are thinking constantly on mewtwo/darkrai/terrikion/garchamp/eelecktrik counters.

remove plus powers and pokemon catchers and terrikions
add in cobalion and an eelectrik line 4-3-3 (eelectross is the same as having pokemon catchers, and eelectrik can attach energy to mewtwo. just a few things to think about. use eelectross to "catch" high retreat pokemon into the active spot, use hammers, and cobaloin to destroy. and you have way too many drawing supporters a durant match up would not favor you.
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First of all, everyone will not get into mind terrakion/mewtwo. People are trying to take down Darkrai/Hydreigon because it was the winning deck at the Japanese spring battle carnival (which is like nats). Terrakion (normal) and bouffalant can help with sigilyph and there is no space to suit-in garbodor.

Second, cobalion will not help this deck, it will just take extra spaces. Eelektrik will be even worse and pokemon catcher is a 4-of in every deck. Now lets compare eelektross with catcher. Eelektross is a stage 2 meaning you will need at least 2 turns if you are playing rare candy. It is an attack which means you cannot attack with any other of your pokemon. A really high attack cost getting 4 energies into it. Then it has a bad retreat cost and over that it has a bad weakness. Meanwhile, catcher will not consume your attack, and doesn't fall into any of the above. The 60 damage is not worth it.

Third, he is running a good line of supporters with 12 and durant is DEAD since the rotation. It lost special metal, collector, dual ball, junk arm and many medicinal herbs. Without a "big" line of supporters it is difficult to get set up.

Fouth, mewtwo and terrakion (both) hit hard. Aerodactyl will just consume your bench space and deck space.

Last, terrakion is very good as it will revenge KO any mewtwo against darkrai and 2HKO the rest of the meta.
 
^@sinnoh_champion_ernesto don't be too hard on him leh XD I think he just wanted to give the TS more variety and/or ideas :)
 
Sinnoh_Champion_Ernesto said:
First of all, everyone will not get into mind terrakion/mewtwo. People are trying to take down Darkrai/Hydreigon because it was the winning deck at the Japanese spring battle carnival (which is like nats). Terrakion (normal) and bouffalant can help with sigilyph and there is no space to suit-in garbodor.

Second, cobalion will not help this deck, it will just take extra spaces. Eelektrik will be even worse and pokemon catcher is a 4-of in every deck. Now lets compare eelektross with catcher. Eelektross is a stage 2 meaning you will need at least 2 turns if you are playing rare candy. It is an attack which means you cannot attack with any other of your pokemon. A really high attack cost getting 4 energies into it. Then it has a bad retreat cost and over that it has a bad weakness. Meanwhile, catcher will not consume your attack, and doesn't fall into any of the above. The 60 damage is not worth it.

Third, he is running a good line of supporters with 12 and durant is DEAD since the rotation. It lost special metal, collector, dual ball, junk arm and many medicinal herbs. Without a "big" line of supporters it is difficult to get set up.

Fouth, mewtwo and terrakion (both) hit hard. Aerodactyl will just consume your bench space and deck space.

Last, terrakion is very good as it will revenge KO any mewtwo against darkrai and 2HKO the rest of the meta.
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yeah, its just some ideas to think about and I was trying to help his wallet as well, catchers go for about 20 a piece online. and majority of players tend to be 25 and younger. and durant is far from dead my friend, it may appear so but you have to look outside the box and see where it is still tournament worthy. Ive personally came up with a formula that decks my opponent out in about then 8 turns, and its constant in doing so. yes that eelectross is a somewhat terrible card but you leave it on your bench and let registeel pepper there bench then come in for the kill on a terrikoin so it cant retaliate, im just saying it has its uses...
 
Heatmor, my friend, Heatmor. Durant is completely dead.
But on topic, I'd take out tool scrapper for Crushing Hammer. It can really help against things like Darkdreigon and Mirror. And you don't need tool scrapper, since Bouffer is your only ability, so Garbodor's not a problem.
 
Puff said:
Heatmor, my friend, Heatmor. Durant is completely dead.
But on topic, I'd take out tool scrapper for Crushing Hammer. It can really help against things like Darkdreigon and Mirror. And you don't need tool scrapper, since Bouffer is your only ability, so Garbodor's not a problem.
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Let's not forget that Tool Scrapper also solidifies Terrakion's OHKOs on Eviolite'd EXs (Darkrai, any of the Electric EXs, etc.)

Personally I can't ever get a coin flip and I would definitely prefer Scrapper over Crushing Hammer.

I would also try to get some Search in your deck. Ultraball would be nice. I would say drop a couple Plus Powers for an UltraBall or 2. Heavy Ball is also an option for you, but I think UltraBall is what you need here.
 
trunks592002 said:
yeah, its just some ideas to think about and I was trying to help his wallet as well, catchers go for about 20 a piece online. and majority of players tend to be 25 and younger. and durant is far from dead my friend, it may appear so but you have to look outside the box and see where it is still tournament worthy. Ive personally came up with a formula that decks my opponent out in about then 8 turns, and its constant in doing so. yes that eelectross is a somewhat terrible card but you leave it on your bench and let registeel pepper there bench then come in for the kill on a terrikoin so it cant retaliate, im just saying it has its uses...
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Id like to point out that catchers being near 20$ should not be a problem for him seeing his declared already has 4 in there. That completely invalidates ur reasoning to add electross.

Also Durant is dead. Aggron does the same strategy, but is better it doesn't have to rely on a field full of weak Pokemon that can't press for damage when necessary. And lairon works into that decks strategy.

And finally why would u leave electross on the bench? That defeats the whole point you had to add it to that deck. Plus if you want to bench electross then I'll use my catchers and retaliate away anyways.
 
@Trunks sorry if I was mean. Just explaining why not play them.

And for durant. I paly a deck similar to this one and I can just OHKO your durants and if you have aggron I play garbodor. It will be more difficult to mill me and just can catcher stuck you.
 
Sinnoh_Champion_Ernesto said:
@Trunks sorry if I was mean. Just explaining why not play them.

And for durant. I paly a deck similar to this one and I can just OHKO your durants and if you have aggron I play garbodor. It will be more difficult to mill me and just can catcher stuck you.
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Thanks for the apology, yeah, i meant to say the deck out style isnt dead. Like for instance put aggrons on your bench lead with sableye, catcher a high retreat cost pokemon of your opponents and consistently get hammers and devolution spray out the discard and run 4x hooligans to keep your opponents hand small. throw in 4x toolscrappers too to combat garbodor. People will dislike you for running this deck but it wins
 
So I read everything you guys said and I think I will remove the enhanced hammers and the tool scrapper but I don't know what to put in I'm stuck between 3 ultra balls and a plus.power or more supporters ....what do you guys think
 
Ultra balls. The plus powers are not really needed and I would prefer taking them out for more heavy ball. Then keep your tool scrappers. Then it would be like:

-3 plus powers

+3 ultra ball
 
But without plus power I don't one shot other mewtwos unless I have a dce plus another energy and I don't one shot darkrai ex or electric exs unless I hit that tool scrapper. But I like the ultra ball idea
 
Its easier to hit tool scrapper than 2 pluspowers. And you really are going to see mewtwos with 3+ energies. If not just pump up smash onto your mewtwo. And you really are not going to see all the time eviolite.
 
zapper1998 said:
why would i need two plus power... a little confused there
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He was saying to use tool scrapper to discard your opponents eviolite rather then using two plus powers to make up the difference
 
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