The Dispute Thread - Check Traders, Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Reputation

[1Pokemon_Master]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Be Informed, Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reps

i'm about to leave ace11 a neg. ref. its been over a month now and he still hasnt sent. he first said taht he was leaving town for a family reason, so i said it was okay that he didnt send. but weeks after he came back, he said he sent, but the cards never came. he then said the cards were sent back to him. just recently, he said that he'd rather cancel the trade because he thinks it would be for the best interest of both parties since i said on this thread that it would be easier if we canceled. i think he's just been holding off the trade. i would like to give him a neg. ref because he's been waiting for too long to get me the cards. i've probably finished at least 10 trades before i even got his.

let me know what i should do.

thanks

 

[AnthonyG]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Be Informed, Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reps

Well leaving a negative ref is out of the option because you didn't lose anything. So thats probably out of the question right there.

The best thing I can say (for now until we make an official decision) is to send the PM's between you and ace11 to me (to make sure everything checks out and is clear)

Once that is done we will discuss and see if any further action can be taken. But for right now I can say that you can not leave a negative ref since nothing happened. He might have backed out but that is something we take care of differently than a rip.

 

[Rikko145]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Be Informed, Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reps

Well leaving a negative ref is out of the option because you didn't lose anything. So thats probably out of the question right there.

The best thing I can say (for now until we make an official decision) is to send the PM's between you and ace11 to me (to make sure everything checks out and is clear)

Once that is done we will discuss and see if any further action can be taken. But for right now I can say that you can not leave a negative ref since nothing happened. He might have backed out but that is something we take care of differently than a rip.

What about my post? (sorry, not trying to bug you....)

 

[AnthonyG]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Be Informed, Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reps

I sent you a PM already. Please discuss the issue with me there.

Thanks

 

[1Pokemon_Master]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Be Informed, Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reps

its cool. i'm just going to cancel the trade altogether. i just wont trade with him again.

thanks!

 

[Catbus]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Be Informed, Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reps

Well leaving a negative ref is out of the option because you didn't lose anything. So thats probably out of the question right there.

The best thing I can say (for now until we make an official decision) is to send the PM's between you and ace11 to me (to make sure everything checks out and is clear)

Once that is done we will discuss and see if any further action can be taken. But for right now I can say that you can not leave a negative ref since nothing happened. He might have backed out but that is something we take care of differently than a rip.

Hey AG, can you clarify this for me? Seems like 1Pokemon_Master had a closed deal with addresses exchanged and ace11 backed out. That sure seems to break this rule:

4. A trade is finalized when BOTH addresses have been exchanged. If you back out after you have both exchanged addresses, a user is able to leave you a negative reference. When you exchange your addresses, consider it you signing a contract saying that you will complete the trade. Please do not back out of finalized trades.

I don't see wy 1P_M can't leave a negative ref.

 

[AnthonyG]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Be Informed, Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reps

Hmm...I treated it more like this:

6. "Backing out" or "Not sending":

• a. "Backing out" of a trade is where both people have exchanged addresses, and then one trader decides for some reason they don't want to trade anymore. If you are caught doing this, it's a 3-day ban. The ban may become permanent if do this a second or third time. Backing out is very rude. When you agree to a trade, another trader is setting their cards aside for you, and waiting to send them out. Or in some cases, they may have already sent them, and you may have to send back. The person may also leave you a negative ref! This is a very annoying ordeal to have to go through. So ask yourself before you confirm a trade with someone: "Do I really want to trade for this, and am I going to complete this trade?"
  

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  But actually you are still correct, he can still leave a negative ref. I was going to suggest the 3 Day ban but it seemed that he didn't want to do it. But it seemed to slip my mind [I guess I can't remember every rule like the back of my hand =/; I was close though!]. Thank you for bringing that to my attention Catbus!
  
  1Pokemon_Master: Sending you a PM now about this.

 

[Pokeplayer44]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

Not to sound mean, but I am VERY mad at Spartan7987. I sent his cards on Oct. 20, he recievied that Saturday (date slips my mind). He said he would send out Monday. Here it is Nov. 3, and no cards have I. I sent him:
Blaziken FB Lv.X
Absol G
Rayquaza (LA)

I was supposed to recieve:
Electivire FB Lv.X
Mightyena EX
Cradily EX
Mow Rotom
2 GE Mudkip
RH Tyranitar (MT)

I have also sent him 2 PM's and one E-mail, which he has not responded to. I wouldn't be worried about that, but I looked at his profile and saw that he had been online yesterday at about 8:00. I have his address if that will help. Please help me work something out!

 

[AnthonyG]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

Please PM me all of the messages between you and him to make sure everything checks out. Than I will try to contact him and see what is up.

 

[Pokeplayer44]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

I got everything worked out. He said that he didn't get the address right and the cards just got sent back to him. Thanks for helping anyways!

 

[AnthonyG]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

Thats great to hear that you both are now communicating. But, please keep us updated if things go south.

Thanks.

 

[darksoulSP]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

So I've been trying to get ahold of DarkJawa for several days after my ban, trying to explain the situation. I honestly did send out the cards, but he has still not recieved them. I understand that a month was a pretty long time to wait after sending, but I explained the situation to him. (I wrote the first address wrong, but it got sent back to me. And I believe I sent him information regarding my finals and how I was pretty busy). I still have his cards, and I can send them back if necessary. I just want this negative ref off of my record.

 

[Shining Raikou]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

So I've been trying to get ahold of DarkJawa for several days after my ban, trying to explain the situation. I honestly did send out the cards, but he has still not recieved them. I understand that a month was a pretty long time to wait after sending, but I explained the situation to him. (I wrote the first address wrong, but it got sent back to me. And I believe I sent him information regarding my finals and how I was pretty busy). I still have his cards, and I can send them back if necessary. I just want this negative ref off of my record.

Ok, I understand. Just discuss it with him and if you can somehow convince him to change it then that's fine. I've sent him a PM.

 

[festizzio]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

Ok, so I don't know what the deal with Misa is here, but I'm tired of waiting. We confirmed a trade on 10/4, and he was supposed to send out the following Tuesday. I never heard from him if he actually sent that day or not, and here it is, 11/7 and I still haven't received! I PM'd him on 10/23, and never heard back. I've checked his profile and discovered he hasn't been on since the 16th of October, and I want to wait for him to sign on and read my PM, but a man can only wait so long. What do you suggest I do?

 

[darksoulSP]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

Ahh, Dark Jawa finally recieved the cards and changed the ref to a neutral. Is it possible to be a seller again?

 

[Skymin]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

Ok, so I don't know what the deal with Misa is here, but I'm tired of waiting. We confirmed a trade on 10/4, and he was supposed to send out the following Tuesday. I never heard from him if he actually sent that day or not, and here it is, 11/7 and I still haven't received! I PM'd him on 10/23, and never heard back. I've checked his profile and discovered he hasn't been on since the 16th of October, and I want to wait for him to sign on and read my PM, but a man can only wait so long. What do you suggest I do?

If you didn't loose any cards then you are allowed to leave a neutral reference. But if you can possibly e-mail him do so, but still if no reply then it's most likely they aren't coming back.​

 

[festizzio]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

If you didn't loose any cards then you are allowed to leave a neutral reference. But if you can possibly e-mail him do so, but still if no reply then it's most likely they aren't coming back.​

I'm not worried about the ref/losing cards etc., I'm worried that I'll take the Luxray GL off hold, trade it to someone else, THEN his cards arrive the next day or something. I guess I'll try e-mailing him to see what's up.

Edit: He doesn't have his e-mail address posted, how am I supposed to get into contact with him?

Edit2: Also while I'm here, what happened to my trade thread?

 

[Catbus]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

If you didn't loose any cards then you are allowed to leave a neutral reference. But if you can possibly e-mail him do so, but still if no reply then it's most likely they aren't coming back.​

Just chiming in again on this no loss/neutral ref thing. The rules clearly state that if there was a closed deal and a trader backs out or doesn't send, the other trader that was shafted can (and in my opinion SHOULD) leave a negative ref, even if they are not out any cards. Here's the rule:

4. A trade is finalized when BOTH addresses have been exchanged. If you back out after you have both exchanged addresses, a user is able to leave you a negative reference. When you exchange your addresses, consider it you signing a contract saying that you will complete the trade. Please do not back out of finalized trades.

This makes perfect sense, as having to hold onto a card for a month often causes that card to lose trade value. I also trade on the Gym, where they don't allow this, and I'm trying to get them to adopt the Beach's rule, which provides a much better warning of traders turning bad.

 

[qnetykz]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

Just chiming in again on this no loss/neutral ref thing. The rules clearly state that if there was a closed deal and a trader backs out or doesn't send, the other trader that was shafted can (and in my opinion SHOULD) leave a negative ref, even if they are not out any cards. Here's the rule:

4. A trade is finalized when BOTH addresses have been exchanged. If you back out after you have both exchanged addresses, a user is able to leave you a negative reference. When you exchange your addresses, consider it you signing a contract saying that you will complete the trade. Please do not back out of finalized trades.

This makes perfect sense, as having to hold onto a card for a month often causes that card to lose trade value. I also trade on the Gym, where they don't allow this, and I'm trying to get them to adopt the Beach's rule, which provides a much better warning of traders turning bad.

honestly, I think leaving a neutral ref is completely fair...as there may be times where something happens and you are unable to send the card for some reason or another (i.e.: theft, destruction of property, mail mishaps, etc.)

the way you're thinking of a person should leave a negative ref, then that means if the person decides to send, let's say, 6 months down the road, you'd be obligated to complete the trade...even though you may have already gotten the card you were trying to trade for and don't need it any longer...and that ref would have to be changed to a neutral one

IMO, I think there should be a given amount of time of not receiving, in cases where the other trader has to send first, to where you can just cancel that trade to put the card back on the market without having to worry about getting a neg ref for backing out of the trade and that trader should receive a neutral ref and be placed on the warning/send first list no matter how many refs they have

On the other hand, if the trader that is supposed to be sending first, has an issue where they can't complete the trade, pleading their case with a good enough reason for not completing their end of course, they should be allowed to back out of the trade, but only after contacting both the TC and the other party...they should still receive a neutral ref, but not be placed on any disciplinary action

 

[Catbus]

RE: The Dispute Thread - Report Suspicious Activity, Rippers, & Bad Reputation Here.

honestly, I think leaving a neutral ref is completely fair...as there may be times where something happens and you are unable to send the card for some reason or another (i.e.: theft, destruction of property, mail mishaps, etc.)

the way you're thinking of a person should leave a negative ref, then that means if the person decides to send, let's say, 6 months down the road, you'd be obligated to complete the trade...even though you may have already gotten the card you were trying to trade for and don't need it any longer...and that ref would have to be changed to a neutral one

IMO, I think there should be a given amount of time of not receiving, in cases where the other trader has to send first, to where you can just cancel that trade to put the card back on the market without having to worry about getting a neg ref for backing out of the trade and that trader should receive a neutral ref and be placed on the warning/send first list no matter how many refs they have

On the other hand, if the trader that is supposed to be sending first, has an issue where they can't complete the trade, pleading their case with a good enough reason for not completing their end of course, they should be allowed to back out of the trade, but only after contacting both the TC and the other party...they should still receive a neutral ref, but not be placed on any disciplinary action

Well, if you're describing ALL trades, then I have to strongly disagree with you Kinetics. I don't necessarily think you HAVE to leave a negative ref, but it should be an option.

I've had this happen several times: I close a deal and exchange addresses and then the other trader changes his/her mind cause they got a great deal at leagues or elsewhere. Meanwhile, I may have passed on a couple other deals I liked because I committed that card to the trader that's backing out. Result? The trader that backed out is rewarded and I'm left maybe with no trades if the other offers are gone. That, my friends, is a negative trading experience, and I not only want the ability to give the person that backed out a negative ref...I want to read about all traders backing out of trades when I consider trading with them.

The other trader can still take that great deal, but they need to know they are going to get a negative ref as a consequence. That threat has caused several to follow through on their promised trades with me. A neutral ref would likely not have the same effect.

I think theft and card destruction can happen in the universe...I mean there might be a comet aimed at my binders right now...but seriously, once I make a trade and close a deal, those cards go right into sleeves and toploaders and an envelope, and I think it's reasonable to expect others to do the same. That just leaves the lost in the mail option. I send all expensive trades delivery confirmed and the cheaper one or two card trades I send knowing they may get lost and expecting to have to send again if they get lost the first time (has happened twice to me...it's part of the risk we all take using the USPS to do trades).