The Future of Darkrai

zavtac said:
Hmmmm i disagree. I think it will be Plasma Storm on. No matter what they need to print some other version of scrapper, if its not reprinted then - Bye bye blastouse rayboar fairy decks lugia variants
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I agree that regardless of the rotation, an item to remove tools needs to be printed. Otherwise the only option would be chatot plasma but even then a silver mirror wouldn't be discarded. :p Sad to say unless scrapper or equivalent card is printed or rotation to XY on I might have to pick up a few more gold Garbodor because they're gonna be worth they're weight. :)
 
With Shadow Circle in XY I'd say Darkrai's future is looking pretty good at the moment although Blastoise/Keldeo can just counter stadium with Tropical Beach while every other deck counter stadiums with Virbank depending on how much of a staple Hypnotoxic Laser is compared to Pokemon Catcher pre-errata.
 
Card Slinger J said:
With Shadow Circle in XY I'd say Darkrai's future is looking pretty good at the moment although Blastoise/Keldeo can just counter stadium with Tropical Beach while every other deck counter stadiums with Virbank depending on how much of a staple Hypnotoxic Laser is compared to Pokemon Catcher pre-errata.
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The reason Stadiums are so powerful in Darkrai is because Sableye can Junk Hunt for Dowsing Machine to get them back. Then once your opponent's out of Stadiums, you can stick the important one out there (either Shadow Circle or Frozen City) and your opponent won't be able to remove it. With Sableye gone it will be much harder to do that. I guess if you're running 2 Virbank 1 Shadow Circle and 1 Frozen City it's still possible, but it'd be much trickier, and you'd have to be lucky enough to draw the last one you need after all the other 3.
 
Darkness decks have an easier time to do without Sableye than to do without Dark Patch. Yveltal EX is a decent alternative although most decks will run both to make the deck more versatile. Without Dark Patch the deck sure looses speed. We will need to see what the next two sets offer to Darkness decks.
 
Why do you even need Shadow Circle? Sableye has no Weakness, and Yveltal is resistant to Darkrai's so you got some synergy there. I won't run it, and I don't think anyone will do well with more than 1.
 
The only reason why I see Frozen City being good in Darkrai is due to the synergy it has with Night Spear but then again Mr. Mime is still a thing so it gets around that easily. With Shadow Circle Darkrai doesn't need to worry about Landorus EX regardless that Sableye has no weakness although it makes it hard to run Virbank for Hypnotoxic Laser so I assume Virbank will still be the Stadium of choice for Darkrai over Shadow Circle.
 
Card Slinger J said:
The only reason why I see Frozen City being good in Darkrai is due to the synergy it has with Night Spear but then again Mr. Mime is still a thing so it gets around that easily. With Shadow Circle Darkrai doesn't need to worry about Landorus EX regardless that Sableye has no weakness although it makes it hard to run Virbank for Hypnotoxic Laser so I assume Virbank will still be the Stadium of choice for Darkrai over Shadow Circle.
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The purpose of Frozen City is for Blastoise. Straight Darkrai has a really hard time dealing with constant OHKO's, and even Darkrai/Garbodor has some trouble with it sometimes. Obviously Blastoise hates it when Frozen City is out, and with Virbank and Dowsing Machine, it's not that hard to stick it out.
 
So I guess this means it should still be safe for Empoleon/Dusknoir to run Landorus EX against Darkrai although I played against Speed Darkrai that ran Virbank instead of Frozen City and it seems like Virbank has more versatility since it's really effective with Hypnotoxic Laser being a semi-staple in the format where as with Frozen City I can understand that it gives Blastoise/Keldeo problems however you can't tech against one deck alone although I could say the same about running Flareon to get around VirGen.
 
Card Slinger J said:
So I guess this means it should still be safe for Empoleon/Dusknoir to run Landorus EX against Darkrai although I played against Speed Darkrai that ran Virbank instead of Frozen City and it seems like Virbank has more versatility since it's really effective with Hypnotoxic Laser being a semi-staple in the format where as with Frozen City I can understand that it gives Blastoise/Keldeo problems however you can't tech against one deck alone although I could say the same about running Flareon to get around VirGen.
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You don't cut the Virbanks out. The standard Stadium line for Darkrai seems to be 2 Virbank and 1 Frozen City. Frozen City can be a hindrance in match ups that can't OHKO all of your Pokemon with every one of their attacks, so Virbank is still necessary.
 
zavtac said:
Hmmmm i disagree. I think it will be Plasma Storm on. No matter what they need to print some other version of scrapper, if its not reprinted then bye bye Blastoise / Rayboar / Fairies / lugia.
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If Boundaries Crossed gets rotated out next season then Empoleon takes a huge hit from not being able to get around Raichu and Darkrai with Landorus EX. If Tool Scrapper gets rotated without a reprint then Garbodor is going to have a field day in Standard/Modified by making the game less fun with no abilities.
 
There's really no way (hopefully) that there isn't a card in the next XY set that discards tools, so I think there will be a way to combat Garbodor. It's just too powerful.
 
There's Skarmory EX for Joust in the first XY set but it only affects your Opponent's Active Pokemon where as Tool Scrapper can target your Opponent's Benched Pokemon. Garbodor shuts down Genesect EX's Red Signal so you're best bet would be to try to Catcher up Garbodor by praying for a heads in order to Joust with Skarmory EX against it. But yeah hopefully we get a Tool Scrapper reprint in the 2nd XY set or something else that gets rid of Tools on the Bench.
 
Card Slinger J said:
so you're best bet would be to try to Catcher up Garbodor by praying for a heads in order to Joust with Skarmory EX against it.
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If you're going to Catcher Garbodor, why not just knock it out instead of using Joust? That way, they have to set up another Garbodor, as opposed to just having to attach another Tool.
 
I'd say that Darkrai's future is really up to how fast the game gets. It'll definitely be a threat until it finally dies for good, but cards like Yveltal are going to keep it going until it rotates out of the format. Just look at Rayquaza EX; people were expecting it'd die after Eels were rotated, yet it's actually making a pretty big splash with Emboar now that Catcher's been errata'd.

I'm definitely seeing Darkrai/Hydreigon as tier 1 for sure in the coming months, even if Garbodor is on the rise. The options that Rainbow Energy afford you are pretty vast, considering that you can tech in many more cards.
 
archangeljuicy said:
even if sableye us rotated out we have the same thing in diggersby, but with that we would have to use the darkrai/garbodor list since he is a stage 1
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Yeah, I guess Diggersby would be alright in Darkrai. It's definitely a lot worse than Sableye though. It's a Stage 1, it needs a DCE and not just a Dark, and it and Bunnelby have the same weakness as Darkrai. The deck would definitely have to start playing 4 DCE, which it might anyway because of Yveltal EX. Having to evolves isn't as bad, since you won't be able to attack on the first turn anyway, but it's still a much weaker card.
 
Has anyone considered Fairy Garden & Rainbow Energy in Darkrai/Hydreigon yet? Both cards together provide a means to free retreat under Ability lock, and with the usefulness of Yveltal, you're already bound to have energy flowing really early. Heck, we could probably start using Plasma cards in the deck now, thus renewing Hydreigon's viability.
 
CMC4TW said:
Has anyone considered Fairy Garden & Rainbow Energy in Darkrai/Hydreigon yet? Both cards together provide a means to free retreat under Ability lock, and with the usefulness of Yveltal, you're already bound to have energy flowing really early. Heck, we could probably start using Plasma cards in the deck now, thus renewing Hydreigon's viability.
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The only problem with that is you'd always have to have a Rainbow or Prism (just Rainbow in Hydreigons case) on your active to be able to take advantage of it. Switch/Escape Rope would probably be better in most situations, especially since without Sableye, your Hydreigon or whatever can't get spammed with Catchers until it's stuck in the active indefinitely.

BlazikenBro said:
Would now be a good time to suggest Legendary Treasures Phione and Prism Energy?
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Prism Energy wouldn't be necessary, since I'd assume you're trying to use Pull Out, not Aqua Boomerang. Since the card doesn't go to your hand, and you can't abuse Dark Patch anymore, it might just be better to go with Yveltal/possibly Diggersby as your set-up Pokemon. It is an interesting thing to think about, though.
 
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