The ill fate of (most) evolutions

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StealthAngel667

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This will be in the form of a conspiracy theory topic and is meant for discussion only. Tell me what you think.

The first thing noticeable about AA is that it has a lot more Evolution lines than RR and PT did. And SV, too, I think. The second thing, and the one this topic will be about, is the quality of these Evolutions.
Seriously, what is up with Nintendo these days? While rating someone's deck, I had to pull up the AA scans page. My eyes fell onto the following:

Glalie LV.46 – Water – HP90
Stage 1 – Evolves from Snorunt

[C][C] Shatter: 20 damage. If there’s a Stadium card in play, this attack does an additional 50 damage, and the Stadium card is discarded.
[W][W][C] Avalanche: 50 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack also does 10 damage to each of your opponent’s Benched Pokemon.

Seriously, what is this thing? The first attack, it's a weaker copy of Staraptor X's attack (not nearly the best SP Poke out there), but he needs 1 more Energy (Gain) so I can imagine.
But the 2nd attack...it reminds me of Palkia G. Minus all the awesomeness. Sure, he's not the most energy-efficient SP Poke, but seriously, why is his attack BETTER than that of a stage 2, while he still gains all the SP benefits and his X has synergy with the attacks? While Glalie is so much harder to get out and needs 3 solid Energy, no cheap Energy Gaining or Flint that can help him.

Continuing to browse AA now...
I have a hard time finding just ONE that does NOT have an SP Poke that does it better.
Bronzong? Honchkrow G can do the exact same thing and has easier Crobat G support. Has a better other attack too.
Probopass? Both Absol X and Luxray X can do 60 for 1, and do not rely on holding back on supporters (though they have a less good side effect, I admit.) Still, Dialga G (that's right, not even an X) can do 50-70 for 2, has more HP, can abuse Metal, etc etc.
Raticate? Again, most SP Pokes have more HP and while they mostly need an Energy Gain to do 60 for 1, Raticate basically needs the same; a Tool.
So not much difference here.
Other than SP Pokes having Cyrus to look for everything they'll ever need and more, most have more HP than Stage 1s (and some Xes more than stage 2s), they got HQ, Skuntank G, their own far superior trainer list, versatility, you name it, they have it.

To end my little post: The new Salamence. It's considered one of the best cards in AA, and for good reason. Because the entire rest of the set sucks harder than a vacuum cleaner. And even then, all of its attacks suck. The thing that makes it good are his 2 Powers. And guess what SP Pokes like to do? POWER LOCK. There has never been a Pokepower more lock-worthy than Salamence's, and it will be abused as such. Also it's a stage 2 X that needs a lot of energies to do anything, even with that Power of his. So SPs won't have a problem with stopping this dead in its tracks, either.

And that's about it. Nintendo is ruining the game for Evolutions by introducing many new and very poor ones. Some older Evolutions are still superior, of course, but considering the next format will be PT-on probably, there's going to be hard times for them. Beedrill won't have Beedrill anymore, Gengar and Machamp and Kingdra will all cease to exist. Also Salamence, which has a good X now, will lose the only 2 good attacking Mences. Evolutions are dead, order your SP deck now. [insert ebay link]
 
Before next format happens, there will still be like 2 sets to get good Evolutions. During next format, there are 4 sets to come out before Worlds. Enough sets to get the Evolutions back.
 
Actually if the format becomes PT-on next year we will have(they said at the end of the season 13 sets will be legal, under when they announced no rotation)
Platinum-Not too many good evolutions,Blissey is an okay tech,Gardy can be tech,Mightyena failed
Rising Rivals-Flgyon may be the best evolution in the PT Era
Supreme Victors-Venasaur has two articles but I think is overhyped, Swampert seems to be a good tech(anti-SP), Wailord gets LESS hp,Milotic is okay staller but easy to get around,Mr.Mime another tech, Rhyperior is good(trust me), and then alot more techs.
Advent of Arceus-Salamence good but sprayed,Gengar X but sprayed too, can't think of anymore.

Then we'll be getting two more sets to get evolutions back, so I think we should be fine.

It's not that all evolutions are bad just that most are simple techs.
 
The strangest thing occured to me when I was reading this post (and I'm not even going to say it, sorry).

Anyway, the set is throughly lacking great cards (though there are some nice T/S/S to go after) and nothing in the set combos, making these bad cards completely useless...

HOWEVER, I'm not sure why you left this out of your rant, but I have some hope for a particular deck from that set: the Fossils. Kabutop's with its donking capability and Omastar with its late game sweep seems to have decent potential now that BTS is out.
 
I like the fossils and IMO it might the best evolution that comes out in AoA
1(projected) is Salamance, the deck loves to use powers and the 2-ko is begging for Power Spray and it is kinda slow.
2(projected)Gengar gets much more power but IMO it doesn't get that much better, shadow room w/out level x can still be good.
3 Fossils- the only evos in my mind that are a truly new Evolution deck with that set, not sure on matchups but certaintly could rise to tier 2
 
Machamp maybe has an okay chance. I can't think of one off the top of my head(says maybe there isn't one), it depends what tools they run but still Evolution do not seem to be getting any better.
;(
 
I always forget about Dialga G X. That would pretty much shut down Rapidash, unless Dialga G is being run solo.
 
Zyflair said:
The strangest thing occured to me when I was reading this post (and I'm not even going to say it, sorry).

Anyway, the set is throughly lacking great cards (though there are some nice T/S/S to go after) and nothing in the set combos, making these bad cards completely useless...

HOWEVER, I'm not sure why you left this out of your rant, but I have some hope for a particular deck from that set: the Fossils. Kabutop's with its donking capability and Omastar with its late game sweep seems to have decent potential now that BTS is out.

The reason I left this out is because most other decks aren't in-set combos as well. LuxApe and G&G were the only one, I think. And GeChamp, if you consider that a true combo. And maybe AMU, but that's too obvious. xD
And yeah I did notice Kabutops, and it reminded me of the faildeck that Rampardos is now. It doesn't win anything even though it can donk extremely well. And Omastar...well, the most it'll ever do for 2 energy is...140. That's just insane. But it needs Kabutops to work really hard and I'm not sure if that is going to happen. Still, as long as Dactyl MD is there to annoy moar, then Fossils stand a chance. (Dactyl turns most SP decks in a OHKO for Kabutops after they use their Powers) Especially with Expert Belt giving them that extra bit of power.
EDIT: Just noticed the awesomeness that is the new Kabuto and Omanyte. Finally the prevolutions can do something useful in the active spot. This deck has a chance, for sure.
 
weavile132 said:
Honestly. I'd like anyone to find an evolution deck that isn't owned by toolbox.

ok
kingdra
beedrill
gengar
rampardos
flygon
theres 5 right off the dome.
toolbox isnt as great as you think kid.
 
^^^ KINGDRA!!!! not owned by toolbox all thats needed is lucario to bench sit and luxray waves hi all day just laughing as he OHKO's each kingdra he see's
 
Assuming Toolbox means any SP deck (Palkia, Dialga, Infernape, Luxray, etc.). You sir have fail logic....

Kingdra - Luxray, 'nuff said

Beedrill - Has MAYBE a small chance (only with God starts) but gets ripped apart by bad starts/Dialga G, and Infernape

Gengar - The only one on that list that stands a good chance on beating any SP/Toolbox deck.

Rampardos - What's this? Oh hai my friend Dialga G w/ Energy Gain and Metal Energy. Have fun attacking me with Uxie!

Flygon - Too inconstant, and bad start = auto loss, decent start/good start is a 25% chance win anyway.

You may wanna try harder ;]


EDIT: So I don't go off topic, StealthAngel667 you make good points, but then again you need to remember that not all pokemon can be "god" pokemon like we would want them to be. There of course there needs to be bad filler pokemon, and I think a lot of the cards in AoA are that, not every set can be like PT or RR which has so many good playable cards. Look at GE, what good Pokemon came out of that (Other than Beedrill, Claydol, and Unown G)?
 
^his def of toolbox isnt the good sp decks but toxitank with raichu and other sp techs.
so dont assume and you might want to reconsider my list.
 
Lol, contradiction much?

You tell me not to assume yet you "think" (AKA assume) you know what his definition of tool box is? Why cause maybe he posted 1 one deck with Toxitank w/ Raichu GL and others?
 
Im not referring to any type of toolbox, just saying that SPs, in general, get all the good stuff ever since they were released.
EDIT: So I don't go off topic, StealthAngel667 you make good points, but then again you need to remember that not all pokemon can be "god" pokemon like we would want them to be. There of course there needs to be bad filler pokemon, and I think a lot of the cards in AoA are that, not every set can be like PT or RR which has so many good playable cards. Look at GE, what good Pokemon came out of that (Other than Beedrill, Claydol, and Unown G)?
I admit GE was an awful set, but the fact that PT, RR (except for Beedrill and Flygon), SV and AA (except for aforementioned Salamence) all get bad evolutions compared to the SP cards they get is quite notable. This, in my opinion, either shows that Nintendo has no idea what cards will become playable (which wouldn't make sense) or are just doing this on purpose so this will be the "SP Age"or something.
 
AnthonyG said:
Lol, contradiction much?

You tell me not to assume yet you "think" (AKA assume) you know what his definition of tool box is? Why cause maybe he posted 1 one deck with Toxitank w/ Raichu GL and others?

i know because hes on like 2 tcg teams im on and he always talks about them.
therefore im not thinking i KNOW.
 
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