Whenever is say immoral, refer to this:
Immoral: not conforming to accepted standards of morality.
Morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.
Believe is the key word here. There is nothing factual about scaling, as it is at best an educated guess, because there is no surefire way of knowing a pack's contents.
If the problem of scaling has been resolved, why do people still do it? Because some have not realized the weight method does not work on new cards?
You keep saying there is an unfair advantage, but you fail to explain why.
I may not have explained this properly, but if you weigh a pack, let others know that you have. If you weigh WOTC cards and sell the non-holo packs online, tell the customer they have been weighed, or even better, don't sell them with "unweighed" in the description.
Why is scaling unfair? Literally everyone is allowed to weight packs (which is fair) and if they're not, then no one at all is allowed (again, fair).
In a perfect world everyone would know that scaling exists and where it happens, but that is not reality. The Pokemon Company changed the packs to counter scaling.
I only just realized scaling existed recently, hence why I will not open my WOTC packs purchased online, as they most likely been in circulation for so long that someone along the line has scaled them. If I wanted to play with very low odds, I would purchase the unsealed Korean booster boxes or short shadowless base boosters.
Your jar analogy does not in fact reflect the "unfair nature of scaling". In your analogy, anyone weighting the jar (which could be literally everyone) has a 100% chance of getting the prize, as their guess has turned into a fact, because they know what the exact weight of the jar is. You cannot know for a fact that a pack has more valuable cards from its weight, not anymore.
We are talking about the idea of scaling itself (using equipment to find which packs have a better chance of having holos), so let's focus on old packs that are easily scaled.
All the people paying to guess the weight, are guessing it. The last guy who 'guesses', uses scales to determine it's weight. VERY different odds. It would be like me entering a cycling competition, but I ride a motorbike. Very different odds.
You might also purchase the one pack left by a non-pack weighter, and get a valuable card while they do not. It's still chance.
You are using the same logic as Otaku. I explained this in my previous post, but you may not have read it all as I edited a few things just before you posted, but i'll put it another way: Let's say there is an open untouched booster box (old weighable packs) and two people separately choose 10 packs they would like to purchase, but do not have the money currently and decide to come back later when they do. Both coincidently would like to purchase the same packs. One person randomly picked the packs first, and the other person entered the store later and put all packs on his scales and determined which packs most likely have holos. The first guy have great luck (today), the other guy does not have luck, but rather equipment to determine which packs are most likely more valuable. The guy who scales is not going to have good and bad luck. He knows which packs to search for in order to get good cards. Immoral and not chance. Or if you really want to keep pushing the chance angle, he has an unfair advantage... or is scaling fair?? It's certainly not a level playing field as the scaler has pushed the game in his favour with minimal chance of receiving junk packs.
Which side are you trying to defend here? The only facts I see here work against you. There is indeed no unfair advantage if nobody scales, but there is no unfair advantage if everyone can scale, either. In order to know if the heavier packs are completely gone to the point of coming to the decision of not purchasing any, the scaler would need to weight every single pack in the store, which is not realistic.
Not everyone knows about scaling, therefore the scaled junk packs are purchased by those who either do not scale or do not know that scaling exists.
A fresh batch of packs are put on the shelf (could also be merged with old ones) and ready for the scaler to work his magic.
Again, when speaking of odds, it is immoral to up your odds of getting good packs at minimal cost through scaling, leaving unaware buyers to have high odds at getting junk packs. Now let's not go back to the argument of "but with insane luck you might randomly pull the good packs, leaving the junk for others", because we are talking about the morality of scaling, which is not fair and not random.
This assumes the scaler somehow has the ability to know whether a pack is 'good' or not. If you really want to go into being selfish, analyze every single action you take. If you really want to, everything becomes selfish, even the most basic of things, such as eating, breathing, or drinking.
Most people would love to get the best packs, but they do not cross the moral line and buy equipment to weigh old packs to hoard the good ones for themselves at minimal price and minimal error. Scalers know they themselves are efficiently taking the good packs and leaving the junk ones for the majority. That is what scaling is - immoral.
It's not going against any rules. It's not like only some people can do it. It's either anyone can or no one can.
You would not pay to guess the weight of the candy jar knowing someone has already put the jar on scales and know the precise weight, because your chances of winning are drastically reduced.
A scaler cannot know if a booster pack has more valuable cards from its weight.
Old packs, which are still sold online. Some honest people do state the packs have been weighed, but this means the paks are sold cheaper, and all one has to do is resell it for a higher price and say it's unweighed or say nothing, making a profit. Immoral.
In a world where heavier packs automatically means better pulls, scaling is still not unfair because either everyone or no one at all can do it.
You're allowed to cheat at cards, but when people find out you are a cheater, they are not going to want to play with you, because cheating is viewed as immoral. Scaling is immoral (wrong behaviour), and not everyone knows about it, therefore it is immpossible for everyone to partake in this wrong behaviour. Why did Pokemon company counter scaling with modified packs?
Packs are never purchased randomly, you always have some reason for buying exactly the ones you're buying, especially if you're fishing for good pulls. Whether it be they're the ones on top, they're the ones on bottom, the box looks neat, etc., pack weight is just one more factor. You always make a conscious decision as to what pack to buy, or if someone chooses for you, they make a conscious decision. You have the control over which ones you buy.
Again, we are talking about chance. The scaler has an unfair advantage in pulling good packs.
Cheating at card games is immoral (wrong behaviour), so why is scaling ok?
If scaling is ok, is mapping ok?
Immoral: not conforming to accepted standards of morality.
Morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.
Believe is the key word here. There is nothing factual about scaling, as it is at best an educated guess, because there is no surefire way of knowing a pack's contents.
If the problem of scaling has been resolved, why do people still do it? Because some have not realized the weight method does not work on new cards?
You keep saying there is an unfair advantage, but you fail to explain why.
I may not have explained this properly, but if you weigh a pack, let others know that you have. If you weigh WOTC cards and sell the non-holo packs online, tell the customer they have been weighed, or even better, don't sell them with "unweighed" in the description.
Why is scaling unfair? Literally everyone is allowed to weight packs (which is fair) and if they're not, then no one at all is allowed (again, fair).
In a perfect world everyone would know that scaling exists and where it happens, but that is not reality. The Pokemon Company changed the packs to counter scaling.
I only just realized scaling existed recently, hence why I will not open my WOTC packs purchased online, as they most likely been in circulation for so long that someone along the line has scaled them. If I wanted to play with very low odds, I would purchase the unsealed Korean booster boxes or short shadowless base boosters.
Your jar analogy does not in fact reflect the "unfair nature of scaling". In your analogy, anyone weighting the jar (which could be literally everyone) has a 100% chance of getting the prize, as their guess has turned into a fact, because they know what the exact weight of the jar is. You cannot know for a fact that a pack has more valuable cards from its weight, not anymore.
We are talking about the idea of scaling itself (using equipment to find which packs have a better chance of having holos), so let's focus on old packs that are easily scaled.
All the people paying to guess the weight, are guessing it. The last guy who 'guesses', uses scales to determine it's weight. VERY different odds. It would be like me entering a cycling competition, but I ride a motorbike. Very different odds.
You might also purchase the one pack left by a non-pack weighter, and get a valuable card while they do not. It's still chance.
You are using the same logic as Otaku. I explained this in my previous post, but you may not have read it all as I edited a few things just before you posted, but i'll put it another way: Let's say there is an open untouched booster box (old weighable packs) and two people separately choose 10 packs they would like to purchase, but do not have the money currently and decide to come back later when they do. Both coincidently would like to purchase the same packs. One person randomly picked the packs first, and the other person entered the store later and put all packs on his scales and determined which packs most likely have holos. The first guy have great luck (today), the other guy does not have luck, but rather equipment to determine which packs are most likely more valuable. The guy who scales is not going to have good and bad luck. He knows which packs to search for in order to get good cards. Immoral and not chance. Or if you really want to keep pushing the chance angle, he has an unfair advantage... or is scaling fair?? It's certainly not a level playing field as the scaler has pushed the game in his favour with minimal chance of receiving junk packs.
Which side are you trying to defend here? The only facts I see here work against you. There is indeed no unfair advantage if nobody scales, but there is no unfair advantage if everyone can scale, either. In order to know if the heavier packs are completely gone to the point of coming to the decision of not purchasing any, the scaler would need to weight every single pack in the store, which is not realistic.
Not everyone knows about scaling, therefore the scaled junk packs are purchased by those who either do not scale or do not know that scaling exists.
A fresh batch of packs are put on the shelf (could also be merged with old ones) and ready for the scaler to work his magic.
Again, when speaking of odds, it is immoral to up your odds of getting good packs at minimal cost through scaling, leaving unaware buyers to have high odds at getting junk packs. Now let's not go back to the argument of "but with insane luck you might randomly pull the good packs, leaving the junk for others", because we are talking about the morality of scaling, which is not fair and not random.
This assumes the scaler somehow has the ability to know whether a pack is 'good' or not. If you really want to go into being selfish, analyze every single action you take. If you really want to, everything becomes selfish, even the most basic of things, such as eating, breathing, or drinking.
Most people would love to get the best packs, but they do not cross the moral line and buy equipment to weigh old packs to hoard the good ones for themselves at minimal price and minimal error. Scalers know they themselves are efficiently taking the good packs and leaving the junk ones for the majority. That is what scaling is - immoral.
It's not going against any rules. It's not like only some people can do it. It's either anyone can or no one can.
You would not pay to guess the weight of the candy jar knowing someone has already put the jar on scales and know the precise weight, because your chances of winning are drastically reduced.
A scaler cannot know if a booster pack has more valuable cards from its weight.
Old packs, which are still sold online. Some honest people do state the packs have been weighed, but this means the paks are sold cheaper, and all one has to do is resell it for a higher price and say it's unweighed or say nothing, making a profit. Immoral.
In a world where heavier packs automatically means better pulls, scaling is still not unfair because either everyone or no one at all can do it.
You're allowed to cheat at cards, but when people find out you are a cheater, they are not going to want to play with you, because cheating is viewed as immoral. Scaling is immoral (wrong behaviour), and not everyone knows about it, therefore it is immpossible for everyone to partake in this wrong behaviour. Why did Pokemon company counter scaling with modified packs?
Packs are never purchased randomly, you always have some reason for buying exactly the ones you're buying, especially if you're fishing for good pulls. Whether it be they're the ones on top, they're the ones on bottom, the box looks neat, etc., pack weight is just one more factor. You always make a conscious decision as to what pack to buy, or if someone chooses for you, they make a conscious decision. You have the control over which ones you buy.
Again, we are talking about chance. The scaler has an unfair advantage in pulling good packs.
Cheating at card games is immoral (wrong behaviour), so why is scaling ok?
If scaling is ok, is mapping ok?
