I think that Kyurem is the better play for this deck. It isn't weak tkamything except cobalion and Gigas dies worse to that. One Gigas would still help though
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iisnumber12 said:
Cobalion is very popular card this format, and may see more play because of resisting Mewtwo EX. When a Mewtwo EX is all tanked up, Cobalion can 2hko it while Mewtwo only gets 20 extra damage off of Cobalion (resistance included). Gigas isn't ohko'd by Cobalion. As I said, the best option would be Groudon, but since it is not being released we'll have to use what we've got.
Glaceon said:
But, Mewtwo decks run a lot of swich to start off with so the attack lock won't really hurt them. Cobalion also gets OHKOed if Mewtwo has 4-5 energy on it. Groudon takes too long to set up to be an effective counter
iisnumber12 said:
ok, Mewtwo decks do, but we are not talking about that. We are talking about The Truth. The reason that Kyurem-EX is not good in this deck is because of Cobalion.
I have no clue what you are trying to say about how this relates to The Truth.
Glaceon said:
The post before ^this one is a little off topic I'll admit. But, what I'm saying is that all other EXs have just as bad a chance against cobalion ad Kyurem EX. It just hits for different weakness.
It all comes down to personal preference of which 180 HP EX you want. Some people may even use Reshiram/Zekrom to use with his first attack.
I give it 5 stars, as before I never even knew what The Truth was, other than it was a powerful meta-deck. Descriptions are in depth, lots of possibilities for customization, and a strategy gone through in depth. Good job!
Just pointing out Kyurem EX doesn't get ohko'd by Coballion like the OP says, he has 180 hp so he would have 20 left after an ironbreaker. It has the same energy costs on its attacks as Gigas (save for typings) so Mewtwo can't really be a huge argument there, especially when you say that Gigas is useful against Mewtwo; but there is nothing that can type advantage ohko it in this format, where as Donphan and Terrakion can ohko Gigas. Also, the idea behind Gigas just seems to contradict the truth imo. He has to put himself in danger of ohkos constantly to do heavy damage, otherwise he has to rely on 2hkoing something through his first attack. Kyurem EX does the same thing, but doesn't have to risk getting ohko'd by anything but Magnezone and Mewtwo, which Gigas has to deal with as well. On top of that Gigas needs DCE to function well, Kyurem needs 1 DCE and then water, rainbow or prism, which I think we can all agree is easier to get out.
Of course building your Truth is based mostly around local meta and playstyle so Gigas might do better for you, but just my opinion that Kyurem should be given more attention than he is getting. It gives you a ReshEX counter and can do well against most of the meta as well. Also I think Resh/Zek are at least plausible choices becuse of the {type}{C}{C} cost for their first attacks and 180 hp, you don't have to use their second attack, but you could at least try with Reshiram if you need it and be just as safe as you would with Gigas using your outrage attack against other EXs.
Of course building your Truth is based mostly around local meta and playstyle so Gigas might do better for you, but just my opinion that Kyurem should be given more attention than he is getting. It gives you a ReshEX counter and can do well against most of the meta as well. Also I think Resh/Zek are at least plausible choices becuse of the {type}{C}{C} cost for their first attacks and 180 hp, you don't have to use their second attack, but you could at least try with Reshiram if you need it and be just as safe as you would with Gigas using your outrage attack against other EXs.
Glaceon said:
that'll do it.
Can this deck work without Tropical Beach? I have to accept the fact that I am unable to get one, so my list doesn't run any.
The Aura Is With Me 8 said:
Yes, it definitely can. I chose not to run it because my list is faster, but a little less inconsistent.
I think Tropical Beach will be a hard play now that SAB is getting rampant. Not saying stadium wars will be back but running counter stadiums would be very much common if SAB becomes more vital to certain top decks. I personally don't have Beach but a 4/4 Sages/Twins line with some Junipers, PONTs or Ns really boosts consistency.
Brendan said:
Honestly, I wouldn't play The Truth at States, IMO, the metagame hasn't formed enough to justify running it right now; sure it's a meta counter deck, but how can you counter a metagame that hasn't formed yet?
I really liked the article!!! I tested out my own Truth EX deck and found 1 kyurem EX very helpful against Reshiboar. It pretty much won the game for me. Shaymin EX, IMO, is also really good and got me 3 prize cards in one of the games I played. Its just my opinion though. I also surprisingly usually didn't have a need for regigigas because of its high hp. In my deck I used to run 2 but changed it to 1. I think it was just the decks I played though.
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