Thoughts on Reuniclus

Regardless, do keep in mind google lost a match to J-Wittz earlier on in the tournament. The deck can lose, although it is very good. One problem it has is a near autoloss to Blastzel as they can OHKO your Reuniclus and Donphan, preventing you from tanking hits as well or spreading damage around. It would even be hard to get the KO with Zekrom unless you go for the Bolt Strike, which lets a second Blastoise KO the Zekrom. Another problem with the deck is it is kinda slow, so in a timed match it may go into sudden death, in which case you would usually lose because the deck can't set up very well without giving up a prize.
 
I can see why it would get creamed by an lost world deck. It runs like 28 Pokemon right? The few games I've played with a google deck I've had at least 1 or 2 extra pokemon in my hand. It seems like lost world and blastzel with its sniping could be the next big decks if google's deck continues to gain in popularity
 
The problem with both of the decks you listed above is that just because they might be able to counter one deck in the format there are still many others that are very dominant against those.
 
Dark Void said:
Regardless, do keep in mind google lost a match to J-Wittz earlier on in the tournament. The deck can lose, although it is very good. One problem it has is a near autoloss to Blastzel as they can OHKO your Reuniclus and Donphan, preventing you from tanking hits as well or spreading damage around. It would even be hard to get the KO with Zekrom unless you go for the Bolt Strike, which lets a second Blastoise KO the Zekrom. Another problem with the deck is it is kinda slow, so in a timed match it may go into sudden death, in which case you would usually lose because the deck can't set up very well without giving up a prize.
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Any deck can lose. Yanmega/Magnezone is pretty close to a 50-50 matchup. I never said anywhere that it was invincible. I said it was BDIF. And if time wasn't called in the J-Wittz match google might have won. As far as Blastzel goes though, you basically just said that they will set up 2 Stage 2 cards and 2 Stage 1 cards all without trainers. That's all I'm going to say because I haven't tested the matchup and I don't like to comment on things I haven't tested at all, but I will say this - Blastzel auto-loses to anything with Magnezone, it's slow and inconsistent, it has no form of Pokemon draw, and you're entirely reliant on Stage 2 attackers - which haven't had any real success in this format.

The time factor is not a reason for everybody to just run the fastest decks around. In the ex days everybody played MetaNite and LBS - those were slow decks and if I remember right there was no +3 turns then, just 30 minutes. In sudden death, you do have Donphan but either way whoever wins the coin flip generally wins a sudden death match if it's two speed deck mirrors. Just get out Yanmega or Donphan and kill their active before they evolve. I feel like a lot of what you're saying in the post is just theorymon. Furthermore, if you're both playing speed decks whoever wins the coin flip wins 80% of the time. I don't know about everybody else, but I don't want my rating to be based entirely on coin flips. With setup decks, it's nowhere near as relevant.

And then about LostGar - the same argument can be made for this deck in that if it goes to sudden death, you will lose. Furthermore, if time is called, you lose. It's a bad matchup for sure, but hardly anybody will be stupid enough to play Gengar in a format with both Zekrom and Donphan Dragons running rampant. The time factor is also a huge hindrance to the deck.

As Brandon said, the deck has bad matchups. But it does not have any popular bad matchups.
 
Blastzel is unique in that it can OHKO reuniclus, allowing it to then kill Vileplume and destroy the trainer-lock if need be. It can also run Mantine, which makes it quite fast for a stage 2 deck. I myself have played Blastzel and I have made it extremely consistent, setting up a Blastoise and a Floatzel around 50% turn 2 and 50% turn 3. And tell the Magneboar that won worlds that decks with stage 2 attackers are no good. A simple Zoroark tech allows Blastzel to deal with Magnezone and Zekrom okay as well, it simply has no notable success because no big players use it. Also, while I agree with you that googlebox is very good and a candidate for BDIF it is not such an amazing deck that it rules over the entire format like Luxchomp did.
 
Ugh I never said it rules over the entire format. I just said it's the clear BDIF. There's a reason none of the good players use Blastzel - it's a mediocre deck. It's Tier 2 for sure and has some good matchups against Reshiram and Stage 1's and Vileplume but it is not a Tier 1 deck. Yanmega is a Stage 1 with a much better retreat cost, equally bad weakness, better resistance and almost as good of HP that can snipe a lot of the relevant stuff anyway with a Kingdra on the bench. That's Stage 1 attackers with Stage 2 support - much better than the reverse. Furthermore, it doesn't require energy to do so. I too have played Blastzel (before Nationals) and it was inconsistent - Mantine/Delibird especially were horrible in the deck; it's better with the standard Cleffa. I don't care if you can set up a Blastoise and a Floatzel T2 - you have to keep them coming the whole game.

The deck that won worlds was not a straightforward Magneboar. He said in an interview on Pokemon.com that it used a Reshiboar strategy early-game and then Magnezone for draw and Magnezone/RDL for more powerful late-game attackers. The list looks like Magneboar, but he didn't play it exactly like Magneboar. There is no Reshiram equivalent for water decks right now. Furthermore, Magnezone is a huge exception because it instantly replaces the resources you use to get it into play via Magnetic Draw. None of the other Stage 2's have that kind of draw power. Lastly, RDL could close an early-game prize gap easily. Blastzel doesn't have RDL.

Honestly if you want to waste 2 turns of sniping to kill my Vileplume that's fine; there's a lot of KO's I can set up in that time.
 
Keep in mind Reshiram, Donphan and googlebox will be a large portion of the meta now and Blastzel has a distinct advantage over all of them. However, this is about Reuniclus as a card so I won't discuss Blastzel too much here. If you wish to continue the arguements we can do it via pm. Reuniclus is an amazing card paired with trainerlock with only Blastoise able to kill it. I think we will see many Reuniclus decks for quite soem time, googlebox and Goth Jelly as of now and when Hail Blizzard/Psycho Drive are released Regigigas Reuniclus will have potential.
 
I'm very interested in the Reuinclus/Vileplume combo and what will come combo wise with it. I've been trying to figure out what I want to run but I'm almost positive that those will be included. Anyone with deck ideas?
 
Attackers have been shown as Donphan Prime/Zekrom+ESL (used in 2nd Place Masters at Worlds), but I've heard Beartic and Machamp Prime getting mentions. Basically anything with 130 HP or greater that has some good type coverage so you can tank through your opponent's attacks.

dmaster out.
 
Reuniclus isn't that great with Vileplume cause they are both horrible attackers and are mainly used for their Powers/Abilities. Think about why 99.9% of decks nowadays who run Trainer Lock with Reuniclus go with Gothitelle over Vileplume. It's because If setup correctly Gothitelle can be an amazing tank and an attacker with Mismagius UL and Jirachi for Stardust Song. You need to profit off of Trainer Lock somehow.

The reason why Reuniclus worked well with Vileplume is because it only works with the most consistent decklist that can pull it off and that was google's deck that took 2nd at Worlds. That and Tropical Beach was the main engine of the deck itself besides running a solid Twins/Sage's Training engine to boot. If you're running Reuniclus with Vileplume and you're not running Tropical Beach then something must be wrong with you.
 
catutie said:
O_O there are so many things wrong here...

1 Who cares about rare candy rule...seriously. Deal with the slowerness

2 Everything is Mewtwo EX bait....everything is everythings bait with Catcher out

3 Why would you ever use Reuniclus as an attacker?!

4 It's a copy of the BS Alakazam....thus 90 HP

5 It's always going to be a tech...no matter what....
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Base Alakazam had 80 HP. ;p
 
Card Slinger J said:
If you're running Reuniclus with Vileplume and you're not running Tropical Beach then something must be wrong with you.
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Not everyone went to Worlds/has the money to buy one.
 
^If you don't have Tropical Beach you shouldn't run Reuniclus decks. That's the point I think Card Slinger J was trying to make.
 
Celebi23 said:
^If you don't have Tropical Beach you shouldn't run Reuniclus decks. That's the point I think Card Slinger J was trying to make.
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While I do understand what you said, I really don't think that you HAVE to use Tropical Beach just to use Reuniclus, there's other more affordable cards out there such as Professor Juniper. (yes I know they are two completly different cards, I was just making an example) If I could get my hands on a Tropical Beach, yes I would use it, but for now, it doesn't look like I'll be getting one any time soon. (though if prices go down to about in the $40 or $50 range, I could get one with my birthday money in November)
 
True but the problem is that Tropical Beach is more consistent with the drawback of giving your opponent drawpower in the process however that would end their turn as well If they decide to use the effect.
 
The single and ONLY "replacement" for Tropical Beach in this format is running a 2nd Cleffa. However, that ultimately equates to more prizes for your opponent, less bench space, more donks and you can't Twins for a Cleffa (or Oak's or Juniper) and another Twins like you can with Tropical Beach.

Tropical Beach can speed up setting up by 2 turns, and when you're only running 3 Solosis and 3 Oddish, that can easily be the difference between a win and a loss against Yanmega.
 
Tropical Beach helps the deck tremendously, but not having a single card will not make the deck bad.
 
That's like saying that not running Uxie in Sabledonk won't make it bad. Without Tropical Beach, the deck is Tier 1.5 at best. With Tropical Beach, the deck is Tier 1.
 
Hahahah that made me laugh. Noone could ever compare Uxie to Tropical Beach. Uxie was a MUCH better card, used in every competitive deck out there. Plenty of Vileplume/Reuniclus decks don't run it and honestly you don't need it THAT MUCH.
 
Tropical Beach isn't comparable to Uxie.
Nothing is comparable to Uxie.
Except Uxie.

That said, Tropical Beach does make a difference. Not a huge difference, but a difference nonetheless. I don't think it makes a .5-tier difference, however.
 
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