If I use Togetics Delta Copy to use Latias d ex "Power Crush" Attack and I Knock Out a Pokémon and I don't have two Fire Energys attached to Togetic d, can I use this attack?
Ruling Togetic d (EX Dragon Frontiers)
- Thread starter Jack Bauer
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can i guess ... just discard 2 energy if you used the effect to K.O opponent pokemon....
I mean can I use the attack even if I have attached two water energys to togetic d?
But the attack of Latias d ex says, that I just have to discard two energys when the pokémon is knocked out. It doesn't say that I have to "discard two energys or this attack does nothing". You have to discard two Fire Energys on Latias d ex, because the attack cost says so.
I think that the text "You must do anything else required for that attack." means that I take 10 damage or knock Togetic out or something.
I think that the text "You must do anything else required for that attack." means that I take 10 damage or knock Togetic out or something.
You could use it if you don't knock someone out, and my guess is that you cannot use it if it were to knock someone out. That's my interpretation of it.
Yes you can use it since it doesn't copy the energy cost, but "You must do everything else required for that attack" which means that if you DO knock out the defending pokemon you Must discard 2 Fire energy from Togetic. Just play DRE on Togetic and you've got a free 80 damage, that covers Delta Copy's attack cost and the discard if you knock something out.Jack Bauer said:
well there is a big difference, IF THE TEXT "OR THIS ATTACK DOES NOTHING" was there, then no, togetic could not use it. Its kinda like wanting to use farmer, and having only 2 pokes and 1 energy. Can you use it? YES. Were waiting on a ruling involving Togetic and Raichu d. Basically asking if i metallic thunder, does it do 90?. When i see an answer to it, well be able to assume what this should do. For now, id say he can use the attack.
but this attack doesn`t same like the mew star or mew ex ( legend maker ) ... this togetic d attack is just like the clefable ex just follow the energy cost to attack ... just discard two .... even just copy charizard ex attack just discard 5 energy no need those fire energy .... i think this is the way ....
No, Togetic is the opposite. Togetic does not have to have the energy required to use the attack, but you MUST pay any requirements in order to use the attack. The requirement for that attack is that if you knock out the Defending Pokemon, you have to discard two fire energies. If you don't have 2 fire energies, then you can't use the attack to KO a Pokemon. The reason it doesn't say "Discard 2 Fire energies or this attack does nothing" is because the discarding effect only occurs when you KO a Pokemon, not everytime you use the attack.
Togetic says right there that you must still be able to meet all of the attack's requirements. Since the discarding effect is a requirement on a KO, you can't use it if you don't have 2 fire energies because you don't meet that requirement.
Togetic says right there that you must still be able to meet all of the attack's requirements. Since the discarding effect is a requirement on a KO, you can't use it if you don't have 2 fire energies because you don't meet that requirement.
No, actuallly, you can use it with 2 water energies attached. When it tells you to discard 2 fire energies, you instead discard 2 energies of any types. Correct me if i am wrong, but i couldn't be, since i got this from the compedium.
yup , exactly like the psymimic just discard any energy ...
Latias's attack specifies that you have to discard Fire energies though. Togetic can use the attack with just 2 Water energies because you can ignore the attack's cost, but you HAVE to fulfill any requirements, and the requirement is that if you KO a Pokemon you have to discard 2 Fire energies, not 2 energies of any type.
So I still feel that you can use the attack as long as you don't KO a Pokemon. The only way Togetic can use it otherwise is if it's got 2 energies that provide fire on it.
So I still feel that you can use the attack as long as you don't KO a Pokemon. The only way Togetic can use it otherwise is if it's got 2 energies that provide fire on it.
Alchemist_Almighty said:
Compedium said:
So, with only water energies attached to Togetic δ, you CAN KO a pokemon w/o discarding ANY ENERGIES attached to it, unless it has holon magnetrode/δ RE/any energy that provides [R] energy.
If I understand this correctly, the answers of "Absol" and the text in the Compendium says:
If Togetic has a Fire and a Water Energy and I use "Power Crush" and Knock Out a Pokémon I have to discard the Fire Energy. But the attack works. And that's the thing I wanted to know and I thought of since the beginning of this thread.
If Togetic has a Fire and a Water Energy and I use "Power Crush" and Knock Out a Pokémon I have to discard the Fire Energy. But the attack works. And that's the thing I wanted to know and I thought of since the beginning of this thread.
Yeah, but it is best to give it only water energies, so even if it KO's a pokemon, not even 1 energy is discarded. 90 for 2 water energies? Broken beyond belief.
i think u dont need to discard FIRE energy.
because togetic δ DOESNT have to have exact energy cost to use the atk, and after that, the effect say: discard 2 fire....., if togetic δ doesnt have 2 fire energy, there's no discarding happens then~
because togetic δ DOESNT have to have exact energy cost to use the atk, and after that, the effect say: discard 2 fire....., if togetic δ doesnt have 2 fire energy, there's no discarding happens then~
no need to follow the exact energy to discard to used that attack ...