Translations for New Cards: Electivire, Dusknoir,Lunatone,Ether,Scizor!

Dark Void said:
First of all, its not very much faster as it relies on an unsearchable special energy to set up faster-if it doesn't get that
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If you hit the DCE, then Registeel is as faster than Kyurem. If you miss the DCE, Registeel is as fast as Kyurem. It doesn't matter if DCE is unsearchable; Registeel can get going T2 at the earliest, whereas Kyurem is T3. This gives Registeel the speed advantage.

Dark Void said:
. Kyurem can also use Ether will Lunatone and/or Musharna to possibly get off the turn 1 Glaciate
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Since Registeel clearly can't use this.
 
Hope said:
If you hit the DCE, then Registeel is as faster than Kyurem. If you miss the DCE, Registeel is as fast as Kyurem. It doesn't matter if DCE is unsearchable; Registeel can get going T2 at the earliest, whereas Kyurem is T3. This gives Registeel the speed advantage.


Since Registeel clearly can't use this.
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As I said. Registeel is sometimes faster, but is not always. And that still doesn't answer the point of using Registeel over anything that can hit 90, really.
 
Kyurem isn't searchable with Heavy Ball, Registeel is. I'm pretty sure in this case you would want consistancy over more damage. (I haven't had time to test Dusknoir/Registeel and Dusknoir/Kyurem, but when I do I will)
 
I don't think Electivire is that bad, it can be with Dusknoir for a electric version of Kyurem/Dusknoir, though it's alot clunkier. but if you get a good set up, you can spread by T2, but again, clunky.
 
Brave Vesperia said:
Kyurem isn't searchable with Heavy Ball, Registeel is. I'm pretty sure in this case you would want consistancy over more damage. (I haven't had time to test Dusknoir/Registeel and Dusknoir/Kyurem, but when I do I will)
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Terrakion is also searchable with Heavy Ball and due to the large amount of Pokemon in this game that are fighting weak it often does more than Registeel. It also has more hp, easier to keep streaming, etc. Registeel is still useless.
 
Dark Void said:
Terrakion is also searchable with Heavy Ball and due to the large amount of Pokemon in this game that are fighting weak it often does more than Registeel. It also has more hp, easier to keep streaming, etc. Registeel is still useless.
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Please tell me you were talking about Registeel.>_>

As far as preading goes, they do the same damage, IF you get Registeel set up T2 you can hit half of the Pokemon Kyurem can, then the next turn, both Registeel and Kyurem will have done the same damage, but T4, Kyurem surpasses Registeel. I think Registeel>Kyurem because if you get Registeel built for his second attack, you can OHKO Kyurem and with Eviolite attached, reduce 40 damage, meaning the damage swaping of Dusknoir can't KO Registeel.
 
Emopanda133 said:
Please tell me you were talking about Registeel.>_>

As far as preading goes, they do the same damage, IF you get Registeel set up T2 you can hit half of the Pokemon Kyurem can, then the next turn, both Registeel and Kyurem will have done the same damage, but T4, Kyurem surpasses Registeel. I think Registeel>Kyurem because if you get Registeel built for his second attack, you can OHKO Kyurem and with Eviolite attached, reduce 40 damage, meaning the damage swaping of Dusknoir can't KO Registeel.
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Okay more hp per prize given. 40 more hp per prize given. And lol at using the second attack. Obviously Registeel has an advantage against Kyurem because of weakness (even then, Kyurem actually OHKOs a Registeel for 2 prizes essentially with Dusknoir and a full opponent's bench). The second attack is a waste because it has a huge energy requirement, does very little damage (doesn't even 2HKO EXes without Eviolite attached) and doesn't stop Registeel from getting 1-2HKOed by everything. Keep in mind that in Registeel vs. Kyurem you need to KO 2 Kyurem for each Registeel as well to keep the prize trade going, and Kyurem can still KO 2 Registeel in 3 turns even with Protect Charge and Eviolite...
 
I know it's a long shot to get him set up to do his second attack, but everyone said I couldn't use Donphan Prime's Heavy Impact, and I used it every game.:p Registeel/Dusknoir beats Kyurem/Dusknoir if you can use Protect Charge. Once you use that, Kyurem gets OHKO'd every turn, and the SMART Registeel/Dusknoir player won't drop a full bench, making it harder for Kyurem/Dusknoir to do anything. But, that being said, Kyurem/Dusknoir has a stronger chance of winning over anything else.
 
In Registeel/Dusknoir you would be better off running fighting energies for Terrakion rather than Metal since the second attack on Registeel EX isn't very good and only helps against Kyurem.

Still, Kyurem is overall a much better card than Registeel EX since it's not an EX which is a huge advantage and some people seem to discount how much of a difference it makes. Also, it's attack is much better , and while it's potentially a turn slower it does up to twice as much damage and can use Ether and EXP Share to make it faster.
 
It's an option just like Registeel EX is but Kyurem is much better with Dusknoir. With Kyurem, you can potentially OHKO an EX if your opponent has a full bench and no Eviolites. Also Electivire is a little clunkier.
 
why must we have to deal with such a dumb spread deck it is bad enough doing 30 to all but theoretically it is a 180 snipe every turn after you attack and set up the dusknoir
 
Let's be honest here for a second, there are two things that destroy Dusknoir in general, Eviolite and an empty bench. If they have eviolite attached to anyone, you're not able to KO any EX's anymore. If they have less than 4 benched Pokemon, you're in trouble. And if they have Eviolite with 3 or less bench you might as well scoop, cuz there is no way you'll do enough damage in time. The deck loses power after the second or third prize is taken.
 
Well no not exactly. Against a low bench you can either move the damage around so that they're all KO'ed at the same time and you either win that way or force them to bench more Pokemon. Also the deck can run other attackers to deal with that kind of situation.
 
I just don't see this deck, or any Dusknoir deck being that good, for an abundance of reasons. (Eviolite, Less Bench, Catcher, DARKRAI EX)
 
Can someone explain to me where the idea of spread being played with Dusknoir is coming from? Dusknoir itself spreads, you don't need to deal damage to multiple Pokémon, you can move the damage to wherever you want the next turn. Darkrai EX with Dark Claw puts more damage on the field than all of the attackers listed above. Kyurem doesn't work because your opponent will see you're playing Kyurem Dusknoir and cut their bench down. Not to mention it has no form of acceleration. Registeel Dusknoir doesn't work because Registeel is a bad card. You are giving up two prizes, and only hitting for 90 a turn. 90 is a fair amount of damage, but keep in mind you also have to toss a stage 2 down before you can start hitting for 90. Registeel can't function on its own. Things like Tornadus EX, Darkrai EX and (maybe) even Ho-Oh EX can function on their own well benefiting from Dusknoir. They are also faster than Registeel and Kyurem. You need to get damage down fast to use Dusknoir effectively. With Tornadus EX, you can drop 60 + damage turn one, without Aerodactyls or Pluspower. I just don't see Kyurem, Registeel, or any other bad spread cards working with Dusknoir, or at all in the next format. Dusknoir should be paired with solid attackers that have already been proven to function in the meta.
 
Vulpix Yolk said:
Can someone explain to me where the idea of spread being played with Dusknoir is coming from? Dusknoir itself spreads, you don't need to deal damage to multiple Pokémon, you can move the damage to wherever you want the next turn. Darkrai EX with Dark Claw puts more damage on the field than all of the attackers listed above. Kyurem doesn't work because your opponent will see you're playing Kyurem Dusknoir and cut their bench down. Not to mention it has no form of acceleration. Registeel Dusknoir doesn't work because Registeel is a bad card. You are giving up two prizes, and only hitting for 90 a turn. 90 is a fair amount of damage, but keep in mind you also have to toss a stage 2 down before you can start hitting for 90. Registeel can't function on its own. Things like Tornadus EX, Darkrai EX and even Ho-Oh EX can. They are also faster than Registeel and Kyurem. With Tornadus, you can drop 60 + damage turn one, without Aerodactyls or Pluspower. I just don't see Kyurem, Registeel, or any other bad spread cards working with Dusknoir, or at all in the next format.
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The voice of reason. Thank you Vulpix Yolk.:p Spreading decks are mediocre at best on paper, and testing is just, horrible, so winning in actual gameplay is impossible.:p
 
Let's see... Pokemon with 100 + damage in one attack + Dusknoir = deck
Not saying this is always true, but seriously that's about what I'm getting out of the above 2 posts. You place a ton of damage, and move it for KOs. Is it really that hard?
 
Kyurem either does up to 180 damage, or if your opponent limits their bench, they're severely limiting their options. Kyurem/Dusknoir would also run other attackers in case your opponent has too few Pokemon on their bench, what the meta looks like then would decide the other attackers. Like right now it'd be Terrakion. Also, Kyurem has Outrage which is actually a very strong attack on a basic that's hard to OHKO. If your opponent Catcher KO's Dusknoir, they're ignoring the greater threat which is Kyurem. 30 spread by itself is incredibly strong and sets up OHKO's for later on EX's as well as KOing small basics in two turns like Tynamo, Swablu, Gible, Deino etc.
 
In a format with high HP basics and Eviolite, yeah, actually it is. It's going to take multiple Glaciate's to KO and Eviolited EX, and they will most likely take a prize every other turn, so you need to be the one who attacks first, but on top of that, you have the problem of Energy, three turns to set up a Pokemon is a bit much when you're being KO'd every 2 turns. The MAIN problem with this deck is bench size, no full bench means less damage. Quad decks are this decks worst enemy. Really, Vulpix Yolk made the most important arguement of this whole thread: "If they see Kyurem, they won't play a full bench."
 
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