Trubbish Toolbox

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Ryan Sinclair

4-2-2 at my first Nats, 33rd/151
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I've been wanting to build Trubbish Toolbox ever since Sigilyph was revealed, I luckily pulled one at a PR and traded for two more, then pulled my final one for the playset today. I then played in a small tournament, went 2-1 beating TDK without a problem whatsoever, and RayEels was a breeze.
Of course, the latter is getting rotated so meh.
I only lost to Blastoise, and then in a friendly game I found Darkrai to be a bit of a problem.
Does anyone have any ideas of what I could put in, maybe even as a tech, to counter these two decks?

Hint: I play 3 Bangles and 3 Mirrors.
 
RE: Trubbish Toolbox - bad matchups in the meta

Can Sigilyph benefit from multiples of the same Tool? ie. 4x Silver Bangle o_0 (YOLO?)
 
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Sheriff_K said:
Can Sigilyph benefit from multiples of the same Tool? ie. 4x Silver Bangle o_0 (YOLO?)
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Yeah, so a Sigilyph with 4 Bangles will hit an EX for 190 (before Weakness and Resistance).
 
RE: Trubbish Toolbox - bad matchups in the meta

Those matchups kind of just seem like your bad matchups. Trubbish can only be played one way, and if that way has bad matchups, there's really not a ton that can be done. Darkrai and Blastoise cannot be walled or countered by tools, and both have the ability to KO Sigilyph.
 
RE: Trubbish Toolbox - bad matchups in the meta

Just like Klinklang, this deck is a meta call. It has good matchups against Genesect and PlasmaBox (and, arguably, Big Basics) but that's about it.
It has a bad Blastoise and Darkrai matchup, and there's nothing that can be done about it. If you start adding techs for those matchups, you ruin the decks consistency.

However, playing -1 Toolbox Sigilyph and +1 Safeguard Sigilyph might help, but it won't really do much but stall in the long run.
 
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Silver Mirror + DRX Sigilyph will wall EVERYTHING in those decks but the Blastoise.
 
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Hm, I never thought of DRX Sigilyph. Derp. Maybe I'll give it a shot at League next week. Thanks guys :)
 
RE: Trubbish Toolbox - bad matchups in the meta

Are you using 4 Toolbox siglyphs and 4 Tool drop Trubbish as the pokemon?
 
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Keeper of Night said:
Salamencetrainer34 said:
Are you using 4 Toolbox siglyphs and 4 Tool drop Trubbish as the pokemon?
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Don't forget 2-2 Masquerain.
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Yeah, at the moment that's all my Pokémon. Seems like the standard and I wouldn't play any less.
 
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Ryan Sinclair said:
Keeper of Night said:
Don't forget 2-2 Masquerain.
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Yeah, at the moment that's all my Pokémon. Seems like the standard and I wouldn't play any less.
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Personally I've been testing with only 3 Sigilyph without problems, but that's just my preference.
 
RE: Trubbish Toolbox - bad matchups in the meta

First of all, I'd consider cutting the 4th Sigilyph for a 3rd Surskit. Much safer and you'll never need more than one or two Sigilyph out at the same time anyway.

Anyway, why exactly are you losing to Darkrai and Blastoise? You run a (relatively) fast non-EX attacker with good recovery that's capable of one-shotting all their EX cards once set up. That's really everything those decks fear. If anything, I'd be expecting you to be saying the opposite, that Plasma and Virizion/Genesect have been giving you problems because of their high Tool Scrapper counts and that Blastoise and Darkrai have been easy matchups. Now, if the Blastoise and Darkrai decks were running high Tool Scrapper counts, that's a different story completely and you should consider those games exceptions rather than the norm.

It might help if you post your list, because it could be a problem with that.
 
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Celebi23 said:
First of all, I'd consider cutting the 4th Sigilyph for a 3rd Surskit. Much safer and you'll never need more than one or two Sigilyph out at the same time anyway.

Anyway, why exactly are you losing to Darkrai and Blastoise? You run a (relatively) fast non-EX attacker with good recovery that's capable of one-shotting all their EX cards once set up. That's really everything those decks fear. If anything, I'd be expecting you to be saying the opposite, that Plasma and Virizion/Genesect have been giving you problems because of their high Tool Scrapper counts and that Blastoise and Darkrai have been easy matchups. Now, if the Blastoise and Darkrai decks were running high Tool Scrapper counts, that's a different story completely and you should consider those games exceptions rather than the norm.

It might help if you post your list, because it could be a problem with that.
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3rd Surkit is just crying out to be donked, I'd never play more than 2-2 and I never have a problem getting it into play quickly.
My Darkrai games may have just been down to luck but if my opponent goes first and gets the T2 Night Spear, it's game to them. In the tournament the Blastoise loss was probably a mistake on my part - I Catcher-killed his powered-up Keldeo instead of his only Blastoise. I reckon if I'd gotten rid of that, his game would be slower and I could have won. Plasma is a dead easy matchup, Catcher up a Deoxys and you only need three tools in play (one of them being your active Trubbish with Bangle) to OHKO. Plus, Silver Mirrors make your deck immune to everything they do, including Chatot techs.
As for posting my list, I'll probably put it up in the Deck List Help section another time. But my tool line is 3 Mirror, 3 Bangle, 3 Exp Share, 3 Eviolite, 3 Float Stone and 1 Reversal Trigger (for Masquerain, and I have never failed to get it out).
 
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I actually think you guys have it a little backwards too; I almost never lose to Blastoise because of the sheer amount of time you have to set up and I often struggle against Plasma due to the abundance of Tool Scrapper and the insane pressure they can put on. Genesect is a little easier because they're slow but the high Scrapper counts can give you issues.
 
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Blah said:
I actually think you guys have it a little backwards too; I almost never lose to Blastoise because of the sheer amount of time you have to set up and I often struggle against Plasma due to the abundance of Tool Scrapper and the insane pressure they can put on. Genesect is a little easier because they're slow but the high Scrapper counts can give you issues.
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Luckily people at League hadn't started playing big Scrapper numbers because no-one predicted VirGen or Trubbish to even be built on release date so I got off easy there. I think my Blastoise matchup was both his luck and my misplays (misplays i.e. above, and he got the T2 Secret Sword and Blastoise with a BKEX half way to ready), so I guess it just needs more testing. As for strategy against the big decks, what do you guys suggest?
Plasma - Obviously Catcher kill Deoxys for easy prizes.
Blastoise - Kill Blastoises? Maybe?
VirGen - Be faster than them. Win the coin flip.
Darkrai - halp pls
 
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Darkrai is a definite problem. Me and a forumer fought on PTCGO, darkrai can easily wreck this deck. Each pokemon has 90 HP or less. Darkrai resistance. And Enhanced hammers.
 
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Salamencetrainer34 said:
Darkrai is a definite problem. Me and a forumer fought on PTCGO, darkrai can easily wreck this deck. Each pokemon has 90 HP or less. Darkrai resistance. And Enhanced hammers.
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I don't see how Enhanced Hammers hurt this deck at all, seeing as how most builds run no Special Energy.
 
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Salamencetrainer34 said:
Some builds use DCE for some reason.
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I think they might want to attack with Sigilyph giving it 3 Bangles or whatever, but why would you do that?
 
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Salamencetrainer34 said:
Some builds use DCE for some reason.
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Wow, I've never heard of that. I've heard of Plasma Badge/Colress Machine/Plasma Energy versions, but not DCE. I suppose It would work if you planned on attacking with Sigilyph, but why would you want to do that?

Also, for the Blastoise matchup, I just realized that Masquerain with Silver Bangle OHKOs Keldeo EX if you can't spam Trubbish easily. Last resort maybe, but an option nonetheless.
 
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