And dark, bug and ghosts are common phobias and fears, so it makes perfect sense that they can incapacitate psychic pokemon.
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professorlight said:
And yet, they can overcome their phobias/fears. Next!
KamonSurge,
I'm with you. Psychic is my favorite type too, while I understand why Ghost-types are supereffective against Psychic-types. Bug/Dark? Nope. Psychic type can use their mental powers to stop/redirect/deflect Bug-type moves. Back in Gen II, I though Dark represents Netherworld/Shadow--that kind of thing, but I was wrong--it's basically Evil Pokemon.
Oh, you're right, what am I doing? trying to educate you people on something you may not have realized, since it's not an obvious link?
I'm just so silly, right?
Great argument there by the way. Top drawer... Top. Drawer.
I'm just so silly, right?
Great argument there by the way. Top drawer... Top. Drawer.
Windwhip said:
Considering I'm a psychic trainer. I have always had a natural connection to them.
Blob55 said:
Ice definitely needs something. I know it's not supposed to be a huge defensive type, but they should give it more resistances than itself.
Bolt the Cat said:
More like it IS supposed to be a huge defensive type! So many Ice Types have high Defense Stats, that it's kinda sad...
Cloyster - 180 Defense
Articuno - 100 Defense and 125 Sp. Defense
Regice - 100 Defense and 200 Sp. Defense
Mega Abomasnow - 105 Defense and Sp. Defense
Glaceon - 110 Defense
Frost Rotom - 107 Defense and Sp. Defense
Cryogonal - 135 Sp. Defense
White Kyurem - 100 Sp. Def
Black Kyurem - 100 Defense
Avalugg - 184 Defense
Overall, Ice types highest Base Stat is Special Defense. (According to Bulba)
Blob55 said:
Yeah, there's a severe disconnect between the type concept and the actual Pokemon they designed for it. It's meant to be a glass cannon type, a type that hits hard but has fragile defenses. Ice's type matchups clearly reflect that. But as you pointed out, they seem to like making Ice types more defensive than offensive, completely contrary to Ice's strengths.
That's because the element has a disconnect between its pokemon design application and its move possiblilities; while ice as base concept is big, heavy things, with great endurance (mammoths, icebergs, etc), in attack, ice is purely elemental, magic, and those concepts don't mesh quite well.
And ice is not the only type.
And ice is not the only type.
Again, disconnect. Less things can touch fire than ice.
professorlight said:
Big, heavy things aren't a part of the base concept for ice, and not all of them are big and bulky anyway. I mean, look at some of the Pokemon that Blob55 mentioned, Articuno, Glaceon, Cryogonal? Do these Pokemon represent big, heavy things? Not so much, no.
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You guys are completely missing the point of professorlight's posts and I am loving it
anyway here I am delivering on the stuff I said I'd post but never got around to. Xous is forever my brother for drawing all this rad stuff for me (like ages ago).
This is Smokoon, a Normal/Dark Pokemon. He evolves into...
...Raccaflame, a Normal/Fire Pokemon. Technicallyyyyyyyyyy this typing is still unique since Pyroar is Fire/Normal, but that's just semantics at this point. I specifically designed this to have the fiery aspect of it almost an afterthought (which is how I figured it would be with Fire as a secondary instead of primary typing). I realize that's a hard idea to sell when its huge tail is on fire, but it's kinda like Typhlosion and friends in the sense that it only lights up when it's in battle. It also doesn't learn a lot of Fire-type attacks despite being Fire, which makes him a little unique in that aspect.
This is Brutimus, an Ice/Fighting Pokemon. It is the final stage in a one-stage evolutionary line. (I haven't designed the basic form yet.) This Pokemon is everything that you would expect in an Ice/Fighting Pokemon: bone-crushing power and the stats to match. I think the design could use a bit of tweaking (Xous liked my description of what I wanted so much he went and did this totally on his own), but he looks pretty fierce without being covered in spikes and stuff. Brutimus is everything Beartic wishes he could be.
Here's Scuracha, a Normal/Electric Pokemon. It is designed on a cockroach, doesn't evolve, and is obscenely fast (base 152). It is, however, exceedingly weak to compensate.
Your wish is my command:
Meet Derkabelle, a Dragon/Fairy Pokemon. It is highly sought after by both men (it is rare, and also a dragon) and women (it's so cute!).
Finally, for gits and shiggles, here is the Fire-type starter line for Shroob. Meet Pavolyte (Fire), Hennifor (Fire/Flying), and Costenburn (Fire/Flying). Their types aren't new, but their designs sure are. They're peacocks! I could honestly see peacocks being just about any type, but when I thought of all the bright and colorful plumage, I thought that it would be quite a sight to see... but it was fire instead. I mean, check out the last like 15-20 seconds of this kid's video and tell me it wouldn't be dope to see all those colors fanning out like 5 feet from Costenburn's tail.
(I have more designs but no drawings if anyone's interested in arting!)
I forgot one.
This is Preterbug, a Bug/Psychic Pokemon. This is the basic stage in a two-evolution line; however, while both males and females will evolve, only females can evolve further than that. Still drawn by Xous.
anyway here I am delivering on the stuff I said I'd post but never got around to. Xous is forever my brother for drawing all this rad stuff for me (like ages ago).
This is Smokoon, a Normal/Dark Pokemon. He evolves into...
...Raccaflame, a Normal/Fire Pokemon. Technicallyyyyyyyyyy this typing is still unique since Pyroar is Fire/Normal, but that's just semantics at this point. I specifically designed this to have the fiery aspect of it almost an afterthought (which is how I figured it would be with Fire as a secondary instead of primary typing). I realize that's a hard idea to sell when its huge tail is on fire, but it's kinda like Typhlosion and friends in the sense that it only lights up when it's in battle. It also doesn't learn a lot of Fire-type attacks despite being Fire, which makes him a little unique in that aspect.
This is Brutimus, an Ice/Fighting Pokemon. It is the final stage in a one-stage evolutionary line. (I haven't designed the basic form yet.) This Pokemon is everything that you would expect in an Ice/Fighting Pokemon: bone-crushing power and the stats to match. I think the design could use a bit of tweaking (Xous liked my description of what I wanted so much he went and did this totally on his own), but he looks pretty fierce without being covered in spikes and stuff. Brutimus is everything Beartic wishes he could be.
Here's Scuracha, a Normal/Electric Pokemon. It is designed on a cockroach, doesn't evolve, and is obscenely fast (base 152). It is, however, exceedingly weak to compensate.
Teal said:
Your wish is my command:
Meet Derkabelle, a Dragon/Fairy Pokemon. It is highly sought after by both men (it is rare, and also a dragon) and women (it's so cute!).
Finally, for gits and shiggles, here is the Fire-type starter line for Shroob. Meet Pavolyte (Fire), Hennifor (Fire/Flying), and Costenburn (Fire/Flying). Their types aren't new, but their designs sure are. They're peacocks! I could honestly see peacocks being just about any type, but when I thought of all the bright and colorful plumage, I thought that it would be quite a sight to see... but it was fire instead. I mean, check out the last like 15-20 seconds of this kid's video and tell me it wouldn't be dope to see all those colors fanning out like 5 feet from Costenburn's tail.
(I have more designs but no drawings if anyone's interested in arting!)
I forgot one.
This is Preterbug, a Bug/Psychic Pokemon. This is the basic stage in a two-evolution line; however, while both males and females will evolve, only females can evolve further than that. Still drawn by Xous.
PMJ said:You guys are completely missing the point of professorlight's posts and I am loving it
anyway here I am delivering on the stuff I said I'd post but never got around to. Xous is forever my brother for drawing all this rad stuff for me (like ages ago).
This is Smokoon, a Normal/Dark Pokemon. He evolves into...
...Raccaflame, a Normal/Fire Pokemon. Technicallyyyyyyyyyy this typing is still unique since Pyroar is Fire/Normal, but that's just semantics at this point. I specifically designed this to have the fiery aspect of it almost an afterthought (which is how I figured it would be with Fire as a secondary instead of primary typing). I realize that's a hard idea to sell when its huge tail is on fire, but it's kinda like Typhlosion and friends in the sense that it only lights up when it's in battle. It also doesn't learn a lot of Fire-type attacks despite being Fire, which makes him a little unique in that aspect.
Dark to Fire is kinda strange. Also, (like you said before) the tail made of flames makes it look more like a pure fire type. I think its flame should five off embers instead, which can then turn into a blazing fire around it, so it attacks from a distance.
Here's Scuracha, a Normal/Electric Pokemon. It is designed on a cockroach, doesn't evolve, and is obscenely fast (base 152). It is, however, exceedingly weak to compensate.
No Bug typing? BTW, aren't Cockroaches also well known for being hard to kill? So I think its defense stat should also be high.
Finally, for gits and shiggles, here is the Fire-type starter line for Shroob. Meet Pavolyte (Fire), Hennifor (Fire/Flying), and Costenburn (Fire/Flying). Their types aren't new, but their designs sure are. They're peacocks! I could honestly see peacocks being just about any type, but when I thought of all the bright and colorful plumage, I thought that it would be quite a sight to see... but it was fire instead. I mean, check out the last like 15-20 seconds of this kid's video and tell me it wouldn't be dope to see all those colors fanning out like 5 feet from Costenburn's tail.
Wouldn't it normally be Fire/Flying to start off with? It's still a bird and even most bird-like Pokémon still have flying type. Especially since Shiggles starts off having wings. Also, those sparks make it look more like an Electric type.
BTW, will you make a separate female line?
This is Preterbug, a Bug/Psychic Pokemon. This is the basic stage in a two-evolution line; however, while both males and females will evolve, only females can evolve further than that. Still drawn by Xous.
Wouldn't it start off as a pupa? Also, I think it should be a branched line, as male Ants look different to female Ants.
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1. Creative license. At first glance you would think Pyroar was pure Fire, too. It's hard to pin Normal types down, especially if they're not brown in color.
2. Nope. Also, cockroaches are not hard to kill because they are sturdy, making a large Defense stat inappropriate.
3. You'd think so, but just because Pavolyte has wings doesn't mean it has to be part Flying. The main reason it isn't is because of the typical single-typed starter rule (Bulbasaur is the exception, not the rule). Females visually look the same, just with smaller plumage.
4. No, because creative license.
2. Nope. Also, cockroaches are not hard to kill because they are sturdy, making a large Defense stat inappropriate.
3. You'd think so, but just because Pavolyte has wings doesn't mean it has to be part Flying. The main reason it isn't is because of the typical single-typed starter rule (Bulbasaur is the exception, not the rule). Females visually look the same, just with smaller plumage.
4. No, because creative license.
PMJ said:
But it doesn't make much sense to ditch Dark and swap it out for Fire. You should make them more consistent, either keep them both the same type or swap out Normal when it evolves.
PMJ said:
So why can't Pavolyte be an exception as well?
PMJ said:We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here.
Because Torchic. And also not giving its base form a Flying type just to troll seems like something Game Freak would do.
But Torchic doesn't even have wings...
PMJ said:
They're also duller in colour and actually have no colourful plumage, as that's just a male trait.
And fire can turn water into steam so by your logic fire should be good against water.Windwhip said:
I'd imagine bugs would be less effected by mental powers because they have primitive insect brains.
Why Fairy? Speaking of type match-up changes, Psychic and Bug are almost as bad as Ice(which should be super effective against Water instead of resisted by it). I can't really think of any changes that would make sense for Psychic besides maybe making it no longer resisted by Steel, but Bug should resist Dark, gain a weakness to Poison, and stop being resisted by Fighting and Ghost. Ghost could use a nerf, but I can't really think of one that would make sense, either. Maybe having it become weak to and/or resisted by Fairy?Blob55 said:
We need a Bug/Dark vampire mosquito, a Grass/Fire Tiki and/or pepper, and a Normal/Ghost Schrodinger's cat. Also Ninetales and Mismagius were serious missed opportunities for a secondary Fairy typing.