USA gets spoiled for Worlds.

[Lou Cypher]

I'm convinced a player from the USA will win the worlds, but for the wrong reasons. Want to know why?

The format of the worlds is DX-DP. All fair and square, you'd say?

WRONG.

By the time the worlds are, Japan will be in a FRLG-DP2 format. So Japanese players will have to quickly adapt to decks without FRLG/TRR/DP2, while the US players have played with that for a while. So that gives an edge against Japan.

So what about Europe? Well, our format is DX-PK. We don't have DP yet due to some nuclear powered Brain Fart somebody at Pokemon USA had, and as such can't test out the DP Rules on prime events. From my understandings EU players get a box of DP when they qualify for worlds to have some access to the cards, but its the rules that you need to adept to, preferrably in prime events. We can't, so we have a disadvantage too.

So anybody here agrees on that the USA has an unfair advantage over the rest of the world at worlds?

 

[ze_draeck]

USA always get's spoiled (No offence). Anyway, Our Shop Already Sells D/P. Plus my Pre-release is on 1st of July. Worlds is in August or something. Officially, that should be enough time to learn the Rules and so you can atleast play with it (Not that we are Great with the rules, but you know what i mean)

 

[Lou Cypher]

We dont get prime event practice, which helps a lot with those people who might rule-screw you.

 

[Lieutenant Houndoom]

Wait, I don't understand your reasoning with the Japanese players. Could you reclarify?

And by that reasoning, AU also has DX-DP, but I'm ot sure if that would change anything.

 

[Lou Cypher]

Japan plays FRLG-on. Come worlds and they got till DP3 already but they can't use FRLG, TRR, DP2 and DP3, while their major tournaments are played with that. So they get used to play with Pidgeot, POW! Hand Extension, Rocket Admin., all the good DP2/3 stuff but have to adapt to a meta without those in record time.

 

[Krucifier]

the USA always has an unfair advantage over the rest of the world.

 

[Light Venusaur]

the USA always has an unfair advantage over the rest of the world.

Both Krucifier & I (with some other people) live here in Australia, & we'er going to be missing our D/P pre-release.

Ok, so, due to circumstances beyond our control, Diamond and Pearl Pre-releases have been cancelled. We are still trying to fix that, but, it really is out of our control, so no avail!

BUT!

We can't sit by an not Celebrate this fantastic release!

so, we are making up for Pre-Releases with Normal Release Tournaments. It's basically Pre-Release after the release date on the 28th of June. These will take place early July.

No word yet on the cool prize you get for entering the tournament- we are stilling bugging them about it.

I'll keep you all updated!

Neo.

 

[Krucifier]

Personally LV, I would prefer to get what we used to get for our PR...Wait, scratch that, Release Tournament. I would love to get our 6 boosters at start and 4 at the end. With the other prizes. But nope. I bet it is just 6 and 2 with nothing extra at all. I bet we won't even get the sleeves.

 

[Light Venusaur]

Talk to Neo, (on Crofty) about it.

 

[Papi/Manny]

Its called test with the rules and proxy the cards....soo simple. ;/

 

[Draekfist]

I never noticed how big of an advantage USA has to the rest of the world.
If that's the case, then they should wait till the packs are translated in every language before they are released. That way everyone would have a fair advantage because they get it at the same time. (Japan would have more time to to adapt to america's rules, and all other countries would get the cards the same time that america does.)

 

[Light Venusaur]

Its called test with the rules and proxy the cards....soo simple. ;/

Only if the Professor in charge allows it. (that's why I don't play w/proxies....as I got into trouble for proxing a card for a 2nd Gatr ex)

 

[Papi/Manny]

^I meant for playtesting, not for tournies.

 

[Lou Cypher]

You need to playtest at big events too. Know why? Rulesharks, tougher competition, you name it, events got it.

 

[Papi/Manny]

So play with the new rules at you're BRs/nats. Or use appr/octgn/that red shark thingy and test out the new cards.

 

[Rhincodon Typus]

Yes, true, however by worlds Japan will have DP3 and USA won't... and hardcore Japanese players can definately adapt. I'm not so sure about Europe though... you guys are at a real disadvantage.

 

[Black Winged Gengar]

How does Japan get a disadvantage? They have everything America has. Just because they get more sets doesn't mean they miss out on DX-DP. They WILL put their Worlds decks to test. They're not dumb, they have what they need and they'll use it. I've seen the arguement go in the completely opposite direction, that JAPAN gets spoiled since they've had more time to experiment with their cards. Rhyperior was an archetype long before we even knew its American name, let alone give it a change to breath in the community.

Europe does get a loss. It's really dissappointing too, since Nintendo couldn't think far ahead of time that their games would run in with the Pokemon TCG. Hopefully you can just proxy as mentioned. Play with people at you're local tournament, see if you can get a game or something not part of the event. You should see how much stuff I proxy lol. I have Japanese proxy DP cards, before they were released I wanted to try stuff with them. I got a few cards from DP2 printed out as well.

IMHO though, I think the biggest reason that America always comes out with a winner is because of the community. Pokegym and all that is thriving with American players. If a certein region gets a spark in the Metagame, it stays in that community. I heard a starter deck got Top Cut in Florida States. If you take that to a high metagame region you get laughs. It's not something where everything is all hands on, I think there's some barriers that just cut off in places.

I mean compare that to a community for a competitive online game. Everyone is looking at the same screen, there's not two completely seperate tournaments going on in two different places of the world with two people from that SAME AREA. If you set a Florida player against a Florida player you're going to get Florida results in the Florida metagame. If you take half of Worlds and put it in a Florida tournament, the Worlds players will dominate. It's a huge jump, and it's a shame the metagame is so broken up. There's such a large gap there's not much in between the barriers.

I'm not bashing Florida players lol. There's prolly a handful that get a good chunk of the community online, but there's not much to spread it. That group is prolly the dominating side there, it's just so small that there's room for a starter deck in top cut :/

When I first started playing the TCG I was surprised that Worlds winners were often American. Go look at a few tournament reports for some random arcade fighting games, like the Top 5 winners of anything are usually dominated by Asian players. You'll find similar results in select competitive FPSs. What makes it more surprising for Pokemon is that it originated in Japan.

 

[Papi/Manny]

I know for a fact theres at least 12 world calibar players in FL, so just becuase a starter deck donked into top cut doesn't mean thier bad or something....the starter deck guy just got lucky.

 

[Black Winged Gengar]

I consider 12 players a handful out of the entire state lol :/ That's still a pretty large barrier to break through for the whole state.

 

[Mew the source of all]

I understand where everyone is coming from and I (coming from the United States) agree I believe since not everyone gets the chance to test DP out in tournaments are at a disadvantage. I also believe the format should be DX-PK for two reasons. 1. Several places don't get the luxury to test it out in USA who get to test it with Battle Road and Nationals. 2. There are a lot of new rules that mess around with the cards. But life sucks when this happens and there isn't much we can do.