Standard Vileplume / Vespiquen for Michigan States

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Pokemon: 26

• 4 Oddish
• 3 Gloom
• 3 Vileplume
• 4 Combee
• 4 Vespiquen
• 4 Unown
• 3 Shaymin
• 1 Bunnelby

Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 30

• 4 Ultra Ball
• 4 Acro Bike
• 4 Trainers' Mail
• 4 Battle Compressor
• 4 Forest of the Giant Plants
• 4 Professor Sycamore
• 2 Revitalizer
• 2 Float Stone
• 1.AZ
• 1 Lysandre

Energy: 4

• 4. Double Colorless Energy

Strategy:

Standard list. May drop 1. Lydander for 1. Red Card, other than that it's mainstream. Is this deck a good choice for States? Should I expect many Garbrador variants? It's either this or Lucario/Bat. I refuse to run Yveltal/Gallade or Night March.

 

[JungleBeatz]

honestly the list is really solid already, all the Bee/Plume players I run into play either the card or lysandre. However Some of them up'd there AZ count to prevent a Lysandre stall or a Xerosic>Float + Lysandre Stall.

 

[Subversion]

Do you feel this deck had potential to be a top contender for states?

 

[JungleBeatz]

The ability to shut off a format heavily reliant on item is strong. however, from testing, missing the turn 1 item lock or running your deck so thin you lose to yourself are very real possibilities. This deck has holes like every deck in format. You need to ask yourself
>Can i consistently get t1 vileplume and multiple vespiquen?
>Will there be lots of HEX/T1 Trevenants/Garbodor/Aegislash/etc?
>Can I effectively manage my resources to not deck myself (even if it means not getting t1 plume/knowing when to stop trying for it)?

 

[Subversion]

It's pretty comfortable, I'd say it can get there on turn one 75% of the time. I figure that added with the 25% chance they miss their setup and I'm winning every other game on the gimmick alone. You're right about your other points though, the flaws are pretty heavy. Missing a T1 Vileplume with Vespiquen and DCE (You need them all) results in a really rough match. Hex Maniac, Trevenant, Garbrador, Wabofett, Aegislash, potentially Xerosic all shut this deck down entirely and I have to figure everybody after game four (assuming I enter that 4/0) are going to have things to work around locks, as I'm sure they're worried about Toad already. It's either this or Lucario/Bat though, tough choice.

 

[RunningWithScizors]

I noticed someting interesting: there are no VS Seekers in this deck. Does this deck not need any? If so, then that is truly an oddity among decks.

 

[Subversion]

Correct, no need for VS Seeker in this deck at all really. This deck is either going to get the turn one Vikeplume and Vespiquen with DCE or it loses. If you haven't managed to set these things up by the end of your first turn, or are exceedingly close, you might as well scoop. That being said there's nothing here for us to VS Seeker too. This decks win condition is more sweeping the bench, we only play Lysander in case of Wab or to dodge an Aegislash for the last prize(s). The AZ is used turn two of you need to pick up the Vileplume, use items and then put it right back down. You don't need to do either of those things at all really, and even if you did you'd never need to more than once. As far as VS Seeker targeting Sycamore, chances are that you'll only have 10-15 cards left in your deck opening to turn two, if not less, and so you wouldn't want to Sycamore anyways.

 

[TuxedoBlack]

Consider incorporating 1 Teammates as a means to search a get your DCEs.

 

[Master Golurk]

Why revitalizer if there are no grass energy?

 

[JungleBeatz]

Why revitalizer if there are no grass energy?

you need to re-read revitalizer

 

[Micajah]

Maybe 2 or 3 VS seeker in this deck would be good. I think even in this deck VS Seeker Can be good.

 

[ToToLaw]

Maybe 2 or 3 VS seeker in this deck would be good. I think even in this deck VS Seeker Can be good.

I donm't think there should be vs seeker. Given everything goes well, vs seeker will be a dead card by turn 2.

But i do think a Hex Maniac is needed here for Aegislash EX