Finished Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover -Town Wins

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RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Almost every single post TT has made has contributed to the doom of a townie. TT always went for the now confirmed town.

Miller claims are always "policy-lynched" because they can't be checked, and TT's claim should be too, anyway. Do you seriously plan on keeping him alive until LYLO when it's too late to lynch him and notice that he is actually telling the truth and town (which won't happen) or not lynch him and lose?
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

I suppose I did bandwagon, didn't I?
...Actually I bandwagoned on purpose. The way things are going now, the day is going to end with TT's lynch, I was trying to speed things along.

I believe everyone wants to lynch TT for him going after "confirmed" townies. Didn't he attack James at one point? Anyway, if he was scum, would he really be stupid enough to do that? He could have put blame on someone else (me, Teal, Fancy, DV, ect.), unless he really was in the dark and was being cautious.

I'm not arguing that TT isn't scum, which is why I won't un-vote him. For all I know, he could be bad! I just feel that by tomorrow we might have a better sense of who the scum could be. But even if we do, the wolves will have a huge head start.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Teal, why are you so set on lynching me? You say that every single post I've made has helped contribute to the doom of a townie. That's not true at all. James killed SheNinja, and the other two were mod killed because of their own faults. And I didn't even vote for corabed, if I remember correctly. And as for my wild theory, earlier on... It may have been a bit outlandish, but I almost always come up with a crazy theory like that in werewolf games. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't... Just ask James or Red Rain, both of them can confirm it for me. And you say that any millers or unprovable roles should automatically be lynched... why? Why go after the easy target instead of actually trying to look for evidence? That sounds to me exactly like what a wolf would be trying to do. Or have you just not even considered the idea that I'm not scum? Because from the looks of it, all that you're trying to do is push a lynch on me as hard as you possibly can.

And regardless of what you think, you're in danger of losing someone who can be of a huge help to us. Would you rather take the chance of not being able to know for sure that I'm on your side, or lynching me, losing the fourth townie today, and having all the blame focused on you when I die and flip town? All you're doing is ensuring that we dive further and further into madness. It has to stop somewhere.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

And KoN, from the sound of it, you're only voting for me because there already is a wagon on me in place. You say that you don't know if I'm scum or not, so why would you vote for me? This is exactly the problem that we've been having all day long: people jumping onto wagons simply because they exist. That's how the wolves try to lure you in and lynch who they want dead.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Your posts have tried to contribute to the doom of a townie - I did not mean that they directly killed anyone. You have argued for town lynches. That is what I meant.

And lol at "easy target" and "no evidence" - what a joke! The fact that you claimed what you claimed is just the cherry on top of your scum cake. v__v Yes I have considered that you might not be scum but it doesn't seem likely at all.

Prove that you are town. Oops! You can't! And your actions speak against it! Well what am I supposed to think?! :p

You doing the scummiest things and then keep on claiming "there is no evidence" and saying that you are town does not help anyone. Well yes there is no "seer hard" evidence! As in 80% of all lynches ever and that didn't stop anyone! And in those 80% 99% say the same shit as you. "I'm town!" Woo. Hoo. I'm sick of your empty defences claiming there is nothing speaking against you when there clearly is.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

TwistedTurtwig said:
And KoN, from the sound of it, you're only voting for me because there already is a wagon on me in place. You say that you don't know if I'm scum or not, so why would you vote for me?
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I believe I already addressed this issue? If you really think that my vote makes a difference...
UNVOTE: TWISTEDTURTWIG

Regardless, the day will most likely end with your lynch.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

TT has only 3 or 4 votes on him...
Vote count please...
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Well, would you like me to start claiming things I'm not, and then leading everyone to believe that instead, like grantm did? Oh wait, he ended up being bandwagoned, and then mod killed. Oops. So either way, I lose! Tell the truth, get wagoned! Tell a lie, get wagoned! Catch 22 at its finest.

And as I've stated before, I'm not the only one who voted for those who died and were confirmed town after. Saying that I tried to doom them is ridiculous, I "doomed" them as much as anyone else did.

So let me ask you something then, Teal. Why don't you prove that YOU are town. You're acting just as scummily as you claim me to be, and If I do end up dying today, (which I'm still not giving up on, by the way) then I'm not going down without knowing just who's been trying so hard to get me lynched. Let's hear it.

Inb4 Teal is Lyncher indie
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

TwistedTurtwig said:
Well, would you like me to start claiming things I'm not, and then leading everyone to believe that instead, like grantm did? Oh wait, he ended up being bandwagoned, and then mod killed. Oops. So either way, I lose! Tell the truth, get wagoned! Tell a lie, get wagoned! Catch 22 at its finest.

And as I've stated before, I'm not the only one who voted for those who died and were confirmed town after. Saying that I tried to doom them is ridiculous, I "doomed" them as much as anyone else did.

So let me ask you something then, Teal. Why don't you prove that YOU are town. You're acting just as scummily as you claim me to be, and If I do end up dying today, (which I'm still not giving up on, by the way) then I'm not going down without knowing just who's been trying so hard to get me lynched. Let's hear it.

Inb4 Teal is Lyncher indie
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First things first:
If you told a believable truth or lie, you wouldn't be wagoned. If you don't expect people to believe you, then why post something that lets people build up a case against you?

Second:

Teal isn't acting scummy at all... But! I'm thinking its either one or the other. You out as town, we lynch Teal.

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Dark Void:

Ok, I read back through the last few pages and I haven't really found anything against you, other then you cooperating with the people who seem most 'scummy'. Other then that, you haven't done much else...

Inb4 I get caught out for backpedalling

Twisted's claim:
Anyone notice that I literally came out and said that I had another killing role? Nope. Fine. I guess no one noticed that I am putting TTs claim to the test?

KoN:
Why is it that you are so determined to please everyone else? You only seem to vote if its useless, or if it doesn't matter and they are going to die anyway. Plus, you always call your vote out as if it doesn't have a use... This makes me think. You don't seem to have a townie role.

If you were townie, you would know (especially with how many games you've played) that the most important power for a townie is vote... And you don't seem to care about yours.

And its not like your being easily influenced like LuckyFire as survivor last game. The time, you're almost being fed votes...

Any reason for this?
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

I remember again why I thought/think as DV so highly as scum.

You shouldn't only judge someone's behaviour on one case (like that DV is obviously defending TT even though he doesn't admit it), but overall. Of course. And the thing is... when I called Blui scum, DV over-happily jumped on the wagon, calling me something like the "greatest genious ever" - but Blui should be town. And when I used similarish logic against TT, DV's behaviour was extremely different, the very opposite.

So: TT today => scum flip => DV tomorrow => scum flip => we have good time to find more and will have more evidence then anyway.

Also TT:
1) Stop misunderstaning me on purpose. You did not DOOM them, you tried to contribut to their dooms by voting for them and trying to make people to vote for them. It does not matter at all how they died.
2) You seriously don't think I'm going to reveal because a wolf wants it huh? And lol if you say I'm scummy for not revealing. :D
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Vote Counts
Updated to post # 409
No Lynch: 3 ( Luckyfire, TwistedTurtwig, Red Rain)
Teal: 1 (PMJ)
Blui: 1 (RaichuGirl)
TwistedTurtwig: 4 (James86134, Teal, Flys Gone 2071, sillykyle)

Since 17 of you are alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

[v]NO LYNCH[/v]

Still seems like the best option to me for today. TT may or may not be scum, but I really do not want to risk it at this point.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

> Implying 80% of all lynches don't contain a risk.

We totally can take the low "risk" at such an early point. Do you not understand that TT's claim can't be proven so as he is extremely suspicious he must be lynched at some point anyway? No lynch wastes our opportunity and day. TT even said that he is ready to get modkilled "so we don't waste the day" in order to get townie points. Well now he says that he will not give up once he realized that it didn't make his situation better. (And as a he is a wolf and another wolf [DV] has a target on his back TT can't afford to actually give up and get the modkill.)

No rational town player can unsee this - KoN must be scum too.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Teal said:
> Implying 80% of all lynches don't contain a risk.

We totally can take the low "risk" at such an early point. Do you not understand that TT's claim can't be proven so as he is extremely suspicious he must be lynched at some point anyway? No lynch wastes our opportunity and day. TT even said that he is ready to get modkilled "so we don't waste the day" in order to get townie points. Well now he says that he will not give up once he realized that it didn't make his situation better. (And as a he is a wolf and another wolf [DV] has a target on his back TT can't afford to actually give up and get the modkill.)

No rational town player can unsee this - KoN must be scum too.
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First you think I'm town then you think I'm scum... whatever. I don't care. I wont just follow you like others are doing, because for all I know, you could be bad as well.

So you think it's better to lynch a townie then having a no-lynch? Seems legit.
I don't see how we've "wasted" the day. Our first 3 lynch candidates have all died. And they were all town. Yes, all lynches are risky, but is it necessary to kill off four town in one day?

I cant prove that I'm not scum, but at this point neither can you (or anyone else for that matter).
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Actually yes, in this situation, even if TT flips town (which he won't...) I say that having him dead is better than having him alive. First off it will establish many connections especially when he flips scum (we get our next day lynch for free - DV), and TT can't be apporached if he is telling the truth so there is absolutely no way to confirm him as town in any way other than lynching, which is... very bad, considering how he has been acting. Not lynching him now just delays his lynch, which will later waste a day when we can't afford to do so in any way anymore.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

KoN I don't think I ever stated an opinion on you before.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Teal said:
I believe KoN is town, too.
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Either way, I do not believe TT's claim. I just dont want to risk it actually being real. At least not today.

@James, I'm not exactly trying to please everyone, but I am undecided. TT could be scum, and then the town would lynch me because I didnt agree that he wad bad. Or, TT could be town, and then the town doesnt get me. Maybe the wolves do.
I AM town, but you have to understand, we have lost three townies today, I just dont want to lose more this early.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Surely if TT was town the wolves would have jumped on the wagon with the immense pressure on him and evidence against him. Then they could easily lynch me tomorrow as TT would flip town and I was the main agressor against him.

Why does this not happen? TT is a wolf. *ba-dum-tshh*

And my opinion on you has certainly changed since then.
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

Teal said:
Surely if TT was town the wolves would have jumped on the wagon with the immense pressure on him and evidence against him. Then they could easily lynch me tomorrow as TT would flip town and I was the main agressor against him.
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Unless the wolves all want to seem town (or maybe some people are just inactive).

You know what? The day is ending. You all may think I'm scum, but I don't care. Because for all I know, you all are as well.

[v]TWISTEDTURTWIG[/v]

Now, I'm going to make some cookies and eat them too. See you all tomorrow (or maybe not, there are probably wolves who like cookies as well).
 
RE: Werewolf XVII III: Team Rocket's Takeover - Day 1 Ends September 9th 4 PM EST

I have been extremely busy guys, I'm sorry. I'll try to catch up soon.
 
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