Finished Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves

[Cinesra]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

They don't have to target an indie to get caught. They know who isn't a wolf, but they don't know other people's roles and that is where they would get caught. If asked what a person's role was, they would have to lie and would most likely be wrong and get caught by that person. Plus if they accidentally claim an indie is town and that indie is found out later, then the wolf would get lynched the next day.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

They don't have to target an indie to get caught. They know who isn't a wolf, but they don't know other people's roles and that is where they would get caught. If asked what a person's role was, they would have to lie and would most likely be wrong and get caught by that person. Plus if they accidentally claim an indie is town and that indie is found out later, then the wolf would get lynched the next day.

This makes absolutely 25% sense. Most of it only applies on the off chance that their is a miller.

 

[Cinesra]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

They don't have to target an indie to get caught. They know who isn't a wolf, but they don't know other people's roles and that is where they would get caught. If asked what a person's role was, they would have to lie and would most likely be wrong and get caught by that person. Plus if they accidentally claim an indie is town and that indie is found out later, then the wolf would get lynched the next day.

This makes absolutely 25% sense. Most of it only applies on the off chance that their is a miller.

What does a miller have to do with this? A wolf would get caught if they claimed to have seer results. They wouldn't know people's roles, just whether or not they are a wolf, too. Thus they would get caught when questioned about somebody's role unless they happened to guess correctly, which is unlikely.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

This makes absolutely 25% sense. Most of it only applies on the off chance that their is a miller.

What does a miller have to do with this? A wolf would get caught if they claimed to have seer results. They wouldn't know people's roles, just whether or not they are a wolf, too. Thus they would get caught when questioned about somebody's role unless they happened to guess correctly, which is unlikely.

You are thinking of a role cop.

 

[sillykyle]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

You know what he meant Camo, don't play dumb.

I was checking WW PM with my role and all that, I saw my ability, each night I can use it in (?) a person and his/her role will be revealed to me.

Any idea on who I can use it?

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

I do know what he meant but I have nothing more to say about it.

 

[TheGuy]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

The alex lynch is dumb.

No Lynch is a valid argument because lynching isn't any better than an indie kill for us right now since it's really going to be a shot in the dark since we don't have much information. Now, I'd only advocate it though if we didn't have any leads and the day was coming to a close very soon. But I understand its logic and alex understands it too, I just think he misapplied it. But it's no reason to believe that alex is anti-town.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

The alex lynch is dumb.

No Lynch is a valid argument because lynching isn't any better than an indie kill for us right now since it's really going to be a shot in the dark since we don't have much information. Now, I'd only advocate it though if we didn't have any leads and the day was coming to a close very soon. But I understand its logic and alex understands it too, I just think he misapplied it. But it's no reason to believe that alex is anti-town.

Apparently Camoclone thinks I'm also scummy for "other reasons".

 

[Reinforce]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

I find what Eron did to be facepalm-worthy weird as well, and it does seem like a stupid thing to do for his supposed role, but Cinesra presented a couple of possibilities for explaining what Eron is doing, and they all make sense.

If we were to take this as a strategy and not an act of a newbie, then it could be some good reverse psychology, actually... and it hinges on the "seers shouldn't claim day 1" thing. It matter not if Eron is really the seer or not --- because of how he presented his statements, wolves are going to doubt how this is obviously baiting the kill and not immediately kill him tonight, thinking he could have a bomb role of some sort. While smart town doctors/priests wouldn't immediately think of protecting him tonight, fearing he could be a wolf baiting the protection with a tracker.

So Eron would be in this sort of in-between, and the indecision could leave either the wolves or the town to just choose someone else, and thus he could live another day. All according to plan LOL

Of course, if this is me over-thinking things again, then I would have to agree that Eron has done something really detrimental for us. I understand that as an "outed seer" he needs protecting obviously. But... Should we really ask our doctor/priest protection on Eron even if there's a big risk he could be found out by the wolves if they had a tracker?

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Oh Eron... While I'm not sure if Eron is dumb enough to claim Seer with no results day 1, I'm certain he's not good enough at this game to try and trick us like this, so I'm pretty positive he just messed up.

Gah... Now that Celever's confirmed town I have no idea to vote for. X_X I sort of like an alex lynch (not based off of him pushing for no lynch). A Camoclone policy lynch is stupid (as it always is). I will look more into it when I'm not so tired.

Abilities and Active Effects
Almost all players have at least one ability, or active effect included in their role. Often, mroe than just one. The difference between abilities and active effects is that abilities are a manual use, while active effects will be used without consent, given the right circumstances. Abilities most often require another player to be targeted, but the requirements differ.
To use an ability, PM me with the correct format shown in your rolecard.
If you do not want to use an ability, PM me with

[b]##NO ABILITY[/b]

All players must submit this regardless of if they have a usable ability or not.

That wording could really be interpreted either way. Why not just ask? WW, do we have to submit ##NO ACTION even if we don't have a night ability?

Eron, do you think I'm scum? (Yes, I'm going to continue doing this.)

Oh no you don't. That's anti-town. Stop asking.

Yeah, I just remembered why this is anti-town. I'll stop it now.

 

[WanderingWolf]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

WW, do we have to submit ##NO ACTION even if we don't have a night ability?

Yes. However, since most (all) did not realize this on N0, I let it slide as long as I had seen some kind of activity from you. When I posted the message under suspicion (Bisharp, Eron, Bryan), I had not realised that Eron had confirmed his role. It kind of slipped my mind, and I ended up with the mess of that post.

That post does not mean any of them have a power role, it was just me being incompetent and not explaining anything on my mind.

Oh, and I expect lots of No Actions/Actions tonight. Since you guys do know now.

 

[Eron]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Well, if you protect me I can help you by "seering" people that seem to be scum. I guess that what I did was dumb as... you know...

I'm not that good or old or wise to do that kind of reverse psychology you say. XD

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

woah hold on that was incredibly quick
I can't tell if he's legit newbie or scum trying to get protected. But I'm sure at this stage of the game it wouldn't hurt for the doctor to protect him (and I emphasise, this is only a suggestion based on my own opinion).

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Well, if you protect me I can help you by "seering" people that seem to be scum. I guess that what I did was dumb as... you know...

I'm not that good or old or wise to do that kind of reverse psychology you say. XD

This post just seems scummy to me, because he is very clearly trying to get the doctor to protect him here. In fact, it really looks like what Eron is doing here he was told to do by a mafia partner, with the mafia partner labelling Eron as... Well, replaceable, I guess. I don't think that Eron would do this if he was town or scum unless he was told to.

Of course, he could also be a fool trying to attract a seer cc and a lynch, but fools are dumb and I would hope that James isn't silly enough to put one in. They are literally the only roles in mafia that I don't like; on forum mafia, anyway.

You are very capable of that reverse psychology, Eron. Now, to me it looks like the wolves have daychat and you're letting someone else tell you what to post. Why? Your posts are few and farbetween.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

I dunno, Celever. His posts remind me of Drac last game.

 

[Athena]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

So, Celever is confirmed town but still wants to lynch Camo for talking too much and Eron claimed seer for... no reason. I'm going back to bed.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

I dunno, Celever. His posts remind me of Drac last game.

But Drac at the very least kept his seer ability secret until late-game, where it was then fair enough for him to want protection.

A regular town player doesn't just claim Day 1 (unless there's a wagon on them) and then immediately request protection. I'm confident that even if he is a seer, there will A) be 2 of them and also B) we can do this game without one. It's a small game with just over 20 players, which is really where I start to shine. This is evident from my better plays at the end of last game and my worse plays at the start of it (I protected a doctor every time I protected someone other than myself... seriously...) and scum hunting tends to be more effective in the smaller crowds. Speaking of which, I was going to leave it until this morning because of time zones. It's the morning, and we still haven't heard from:
2. Bisharp37
5. prafferty98
6. GM Draclord
7. Haunted Blast of Red Samurott a.k.a Tyler
16. Shampoo Thief

Bad boys!
I put Shampoo Thief on there because while he did post once, it was to say "I might not have internet". But... He's clearly been online since he left. He was even browsing this thread yesterday, AFTER he left.

I'd also like to hear more from Athena, who's sort of just popped in and said "so this happened bye". TwistedTurtwig has done similar things, and MTC has sort of just given his opinion on a couple of things and not really done anything past that.

Come on guys, I know that it's Day 1, but you have to do better than this.

 

[Athena]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

Yes, two pages worth of discussion happened while I was asleep. I'm still drinking my coffee and checking up on the various forums that I moderate. If you'll recall, I was posting and being yesterday, too, and we still have.... oh god, 4 days left of D1 to bullshit at each other. If you're going to call people out for not posting, at least look to see if they've actually posted earlier in the day instead of just scrolling up to check the current page, and keep in mind that it's silly to call people out for lack of participation one fifth of the way into the first day.

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

So how is Celever confotown again? (sorry I missed it, and I don't particularly want to dig through a page or two...)

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXI-0 - Left4TheWolves - Day 1 ends 3rd July 9am AEST

the baby zombie crawls out from the horde, away from the moans and screams of the infestation. It pushes itself up, revealing itself to it's full height, and immediately starts wailing.

Celever's role:

Child Infected - Alignment ~ Town Infected

Who’s a cute wittle zombie? You’re a cute wittle zombie! Now cry for me, zombie!

[Day Ability]: At any point in the game, you may PM me with ‘##CRY’. I will then post your rolecard in the thread, confirming your township.

[Win Condition]: Have at least one town member standing when all dangerous indies, and survivors are dead.

Continue with your day.

^ That was my role rev. I can get James to paste my Role PM in-thread, confirming me as town!

Athena I did check back through. I just didn't find anything particularly noticeable that you posted, which was why I called you out on it and to give more opinions rather than facts. Now that I look back again again, though, I guess you weren't as bad as I thought.