Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

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Celever said:
Drohn said:
If you didn't read through the thread you likely didn't notice how different Camoclone's accusations are this game. It would be nice if you jump over to this wagon, since I (and others) really don't trust Camoclone this game.

Sorta off-topic: Does anyone have Charizard's role? Not asking for abilities or alignments, just saying that if you're out there you are my new best friend this game.

Ok WHAT!? I don't care how subtle or innocent you phrased it, this is like first-degree role fishing. Sorry, but
##Unvote: Camoclone (was just a joke RVS anyway)
##Vote: Drohn


We've never seen you as scum, which is actually a serious disadvantage because we don't know what differences to look for. What I do know, though, is that you have been less apparently active than normal this game, and have made a few odd decisions. I think you were one of the people who bandwagoned my lynch with fairly little reasoning (iPad, someone can confirm this?) and has decided to build this BS case on Camo now! I really can't see any merit in this lynch. Camo is indecisive, sure, but you know what? He's really trying! And he has contributed more than pretty much anyone else in this game so far. This lynch is completely stupid. The best logic is that he is voting for lots of people, but I really don't care about that because most of us still have our votes from RVS. Seriously, I need to chill out, I know, but this lynch is possibly one of the worst I've seen.

There's a very small chance of it, being that this is only day 1, but you best hope Camo really is innocent. After this little rant, if he turns up scum, I know who I'm suspicious of next.

Which is saying something because again, new.
 
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Drohn said:
Not sure if scumbuddy with Camoclone or simply defending scum like all previous games.

How is asking who Charizard is role fishing, lol. I think everyone knows by now I simply love Charizard. Read my bio, remember my previous avatar, look at Kingdoms, actually you can look at recent profile comments too, or ask anyone. Strong love for Charizard is there. <3 My comment was nothing to be taken serious, lol. I specifically mentioned that abilities/alignments were irrelevant. Before the game began I asked Teal to give me a Charizard role, but he didn't take requests. :p

In the early RVS I made some votes for jokes, but lynching Camoclone is the only one so far I'm serious about. It's clear to me that Camoclone is acting different than in previous games and I already explained my reasoning. If you want to make a big deal about a Charizard comment, have fun. I wasted too much time trying to convince you of my (correct) points last game, I'm not going to try again.

Tell me, how would you feel if we all claimed our Role Names right now? If it is no big deal, what is yours?

Answer my defense against him. I don't care if this is the only serious vote you have made, because you have no case. "Acting differently" is a very subjective thing... To me, his playstyle isn't that different. He still posts too much, and he is still active in RVS. This is basically RVS... We have two claimed towns, one confirmed, but we also don't really have a solid lead. I said it before; this is still basically D1 RVS. Even if it is a little bit different, there is nothing wrong with how he is playing, either...


TT, I'm not very good at bussing, so tend not to. Of course, you don't really know that since I am yet to be scum on this site, so take my word if you want to, or don't. I don't care that much, I am just very confident in my defense against Camo.
 
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I'll claim my role name right now:

I'm Slowking.
 
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Oh look, Drohn, you were active enough to like that post, but not to claim your role name yourself?
 
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BBninjas has to be trolling us.
 
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Of course I'm active, that doesn't make me want to go into your arguments. Previous in and out of game conversations with you have shown me that all the logic and common sense in the world aren't enough to convince you so I won't try. If all the times you defended scum still didn't convince you that you're wrong a lot, how much difference will I make? I'm not going to bother with all the out of game examples.

I explained my reasons for thinking Camoclone is a good lynch and the fact you're so strongly defending him might even give us more information from his lynch.

I'm not going to defend myself against how you think asking about a Charizard role is scummy (again), lol. I'll take things more serious if it comes from players that make sense and are unbiased.
 
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Is it going to be a split vote Day 1?
 
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Drohn said:
I know he voted randomly before, but it's different in this game. He doesn't focus on anyone or tries to get actual information. Before it would just be tunnelling a few people (mainly newcomers) to get a read. Now he's jumping all over the place without doing anything useful. It's actually a smart strategy for a wolf to distract the town with random votes and accusations and Camoclone's reputation works in his advantage for that. I still think it's very different this game and I don't think that's random. I think he's trying to stop us from doing what he generally does in other games; trying to get reads on people by tunnelling them or pretending to tunnel them. He just jumps all over the place now so we don't get anywhere eventually.

Pretty sure this point is irrelevant if his claim to need multiple votes each day is legit.
I suppose the only unnecessary one that stood out to me was bigfootaus... But that had some merit to it, I guess...
He could easily be scum. But that's what is said about him every game because he always plays the same. As I said before, that doesn't seem to be good enough reason to lynch him anymore (unless we called for a policy lynch, which doesn't help D1 as we will for sure get no reads on the lynch).
If, however, you have information that I missed, that doesn't have anything to do with his bigfootaus vote or post restriction, it would definitely be best to bring it up again.

Why would we claim role names? That's just... Pointless? In fact, it may actually be harmful, if some players have abilities that activate when they target certain Pokemon.
But that doesn't instantly mean that Drohn is acting scummy for wanting to know if his favorite Pokemon is in the game. You don't think I'm curious to know if somebody has Umbreon? Your attack against Drohn, Celever, is unwarranted, and makes me even more suspicious of you. And you claim that you vote against Camo was "joke RVS"? How is it RVS if you vote the guy that's voting you?

Now, let's address the Camoclone situation:
Camoclone said:
bigfootaus said:
Honestly I just think Camo is trying to test this on me. That's fine. Has everyone been voted on at least once yet?

Smart... Most new players would fall to that.
##UNVOTE: BIGFOOTAUS
I... I am honestly not too sure why this situation occurred, but it's obvious Camo is just digging for reactions. Honestly not bad for D1.

Camoclone said:
Machamp The Champion said:
I don't know what to tell you. I had just finished reading up to that point when I posted.

I don't entirely believe Camo actually has that speech impediment. I think he's just saying that so people don't question him voting all willy-nilly.

Ok... There's no way for me to prove it (I don't actually know what happens if I don't vote 5 times a day). It doesn't particularly matter.
Yeah, it can't be proven directly without him dying, but I guess we'll have a slip to look for come later phases.

Camoclone said:
Wailord_2 said:
Also, I think Camo's speech impediment seems kind of hard to believe. He already votes and unvotes a lot, and it seems to convenient that he of all people would get that role. I realize that roles are random and anything is possible, it's just that one seems a little hard to believe.
Even if you have your doubts think about it. If I were lying what good would claiming that do?
Camoclone said:
@Wailord who is the best lynch candidate in your opinion?
Just as he has any other game, asking questions for results. Directed at inactives.

Camoclone said:
Scorched Feathers... You have not responded to my question and are lurking (flying under the radar).

##VOTE: SCORCHED FEATHERS
Reaction digging.

Camoclone said:
rev3rsor said:
I don't really think Celever's role is not legit, but that he's getting a bit emotional about it, so I won't vote him yet (and give him the benefit of the doubt in this situation).
Why would you vote for Celever if you think that Celever's vote is legit? Townies can get emotional too.

##UNVOTE: SCORCHED FEATHERS
Answer my question and become more active. Less bandwagoningy more logic.

##VOTE: REV3RSOR
Now... Here's the post that I'm very wary on. This post was shortly after his SF vote, with no reaction in between. Even though he does question SF still, he switches his vote without waiting. I kind of see what Drohn is getting at here, if this is what he is referring to, but elsewhere just seems normal.

Camoclone said:
Sorry for triple posting but I was reading back for detail and no one posted...


@Alex... Contribute something. You have said absolutely nothing this entire game. Who would be the best lynch candidate in your opinion?
Normal.

Camoclone said:
Drohn said:
Having to vote for 5 people (you reached that already ages ago) is a silly excuse to use spam posts/accusations with no value and to keep the town from moving forward.

Wrong. My accusations have a ton of weight considering it is D1.
Offensive, but true. With it only being D1, any accusation that gets a reaction is good progression for the town. And, mixed with a few awkward votes, I believe that is what Camo is going for.

Now, as fun as the Celever, Drohn, and Camo bandwagons look, I'd like to look at a new candidate:

Jeremy1026 said:
I want a turn to be voted on by Camo, so to speak the OMGUS.

##VOTE: Camoclone

Jeremy1026 said:
AlexanderTheAwesome said:
If that's an actual vote remember to use ##

Yes it was. So hard to vote from mobile.

##UNVOTE: Camo
##VOTE: Celever

Jeremy1026 said:
I'm getting tired of seeing the constant vote jump.

##UNVOTE: Celever
##VOTE: Camoclone

Every single one of his votes are simply a bandwagon to whatever side is receiving more votes and attention. I don't know if I've ever played where Jeremy is scum, but this seems like a newb scum move. Moving to popular opinions to avoid attention. The fact that this wasn't brought up previously makes me wonder if the other scum are covering it up.

I'd still be happy with a Celever lynch either way, due to his weak claim and the fact it can't even be proven, but the Camo and Drohn lynches are... Silly. Camo is Camo with a post requirement, and Drohn hasn't done anything that I can find overly suspicious (even his attack on Camo is justified, even if I don't agree).

How about...

Camo, have you, in fact, reached your vote requirement for the day? Only 5 votes, yes? Are you sticking with the Celever vote now, or still planning to random vote?

Drohn, if you have proof that Camo is acting strange that I happened to miss above, would you please quote it here?

Celever, stop attacking Drohn. >_>

Jeremy, explain your reasoning for your previous votes. Were they simply bandwagons, as they seem? You don't appear to explain your logic behind them. Also, aside from Camo and Celever, do you hav any other reads from today?
 
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Most of Camoclone's votes aren't in your post. My point is that Camoclone generally tunnels people to get info out of them. He focuses longer on the same target. That's not the case now. I honestly think his requirement to vote 5 times is made up, and even if it isn't, it doesn't justify voting 11 times.

I do see where you're going with Jeremy. I didn't catch that.

I'm still for a Camoclone lynch D1, because too much isn't making sense with his accusations, but your other points make sense and should be looked into.
 
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Just an observation. This is a really bipolar game. Everyone needs to stop following bandwagons.
 
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Keeper of Night said:
Jeremy, explain your reasoning for your previous votes. Were they simply bandwagons, as they seem? You don't appear to explain your logic behind them. Also, aside from Camo and Celever, do you hav any other reads from today?

Look back at past games. This is my style. I post what I think and that is it. I'm often not the first to different opinions, but I state which I agree with when voting. Not everyone can be first to everything.

Had I left my vote on Camo from the beginning it would have looked bad for not following town. If I change it I'm bandwagoning.
 
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I went back to look over Jeremy's posts. I find them slightly, but not too suspicious. He didn't change around that much and the times he did switch were both for people that are actually suspicious (Celever and Camoclone). He didn't really contribute much when he voted, however, which is kind of suspicious. The reason I'm not too suspicious of him is because he's jumping on wagons of people that I also find suspicious. If Camoclone and Celever both turn out town I'll be wondering why he jumped the wagons so easily, but if they're scum I don't think it's relevant.

A Camoclone lynch would give us more information on Jeremy, myself, Celever, and potentially others that voted them/jumped the wagon.
 
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First for the question:
After the lynch I said "#OMGUS". At the time it was still RVS and it didn't look like the lynch would become anything.

Second of all, even you admit that outing role names is either pointless or harmful. You may be interested to see who has your favourite Pokémon, but you also had the sense to not openly ask for it.

Third of all, my attack on Drohn is as warranted as his on Camo's or yours on Jeremy's. All of us found a player scummy and are fishing for a reaction out of them. Why exactly is it unwarranted?

Now for Drohn's post:
Ignoring a person in a game of werewolf would make you considered completely dead meat on the competitive sites I play on. This is still a different setting than what I am used to, so I still get some things wrong. This is very true. I also get many things right. Let's think back to the game you are referring to, the Reign of Terror, and what I got wrong. You and I were arguing about whether to lynch SF or alex, in others words, scum or indie. We were both right on our indictions. Furthermore, the second lynch I was wrong was grant, because he had a believable claim, and above all werewolf is a fact-based game. I got one wrong, oh dear, everybody makes mistakes. There is no real reason for you to ignore my attack on you. Also, as you should know I am a very competitive person, and I want to win. I put personal differences aside for a team, so you claiming that my attack on you is only a thing because it is "biased" just shows that you don't know me well at all. Please stop acting like you do.

As for your out of game stuff, given the information available to me, it was the only logical conclusion I could make. I don't want to name names, but there were several other users who were in the same boat as me... I was just most vocal about it. It was the same as Werewolf -- a fact based game where we indict or defend others. You would have been lynched were that a game of Werewolf woth the amount of overwhelming evidence we were provided with.

Back to the real game, Camo's lynch will not provide us info on me. I defended him harshly... If he flips town, I am scummy for defending a town so much because I wanted to get on the town's good side by protecting a townie. If he flips scum, I am scummy for defending a scum. I just state my opinions and don't think about the consequences in Werewolf, because as a townie it is all I can do.

And once again, no matter how much you sugar coat it, fishing for a claim of any sort doesn't have the town's best interest in mind. Everyone think about it for a moment: I am Elgyem, yes? I also have a weak ability, which is very much coinciding with my flavour and Pokemon species itself. It is probably so weak because Elgyem is, in itself, a weak, unevolved Pokemon. Think about what CHARIZARD would have! A powerful fan favourite... Fully evolved, fast, and a lot of powerful material to work with. Something like a bomb would be really fitting for the thing -- Charizard is, after all, a Pokémon who never gives up and gets a rush out of battling stronger Pokémon than it really should. In most games a lot can be discovered just from the role name, and this is definitely no exception. I am fully expecting the seer to be a psychic or ghost type, the announcer is probably Exploud or Loudred... If there were items in this game, Purrloin or Glameow would make perfect sense as a thief. The doctor is probably a normal type of some sort (like Chansey or something) and the vig is probably a ruthless physical, not afraid to get stuck in Pokemon like Seviper or Zangoose! Absol would probably be a wrong-place-wrong-time townie, too.

If you are a psychic type, ghost type, Exploud, Loudred, Chansey, Seviper, Zangoose or Absol please step forward! They are all my favourite Pokemon!

Yes, this is a rant, I was just demonstrating why that particular question is an awful thing to ask. It is role fishing, because you can get a good idea of the role or how powerful it is just from the Role Name. For all we know, you could be a Politician who needs Charizard, Blastoise and Venusaur dead to win! This is all baseless speculation, but is what we would undergo once Charizard claims (please don't) and you can see how detrimental it is for a role name to be claimed. Asking such a thing is a cause for major suspicion as far as I am concerned.

I don't find Jeremy too scummy, but it is certainly a better possible wagon than Camo's. I am still parking my vote on Drohn for now... Pretty much until he gives up this Camo lynch. His arguments still make no sense, and I'm starting to believe that he might just be some kind of Politician like I earlier speculated. Maybe not for a Charizard lynch, but a few actual usernames (Camo included). Maybe a mixture of both. Still holds more weight than his argument.
 
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bigfootaus said:
Drohn said:
Your posts are making no sense and you jump from one person to another. You haven't taken it to such an extreme in other games I played in. In other games you seem more focused on someone and try to pressure people into giving more information. Now your play seems to be confusing people and giving us as much spam as possible with no value at all.
I'm torn between agreeing with you and sticking to my idea that Camo is just trying to see who cracks under a 'random' vote. I feel like his behaviour benefits himself more than anyone else (or any faction, I guess), so I'm not gonna jump on the Camo bandwagon just yet.
This is what I get for taking time to think through each post I make. Being ninja'd in a game like this is worse than being normally ninja'd!

Camoclone said:
Wrong. My accusations have a ton of weight considering it is D1.
Kinda spooky. Care to elaborate? Drohn's bandwagon looks mighty tempting right about now...
I don't care to elaborate. Most of my logic is sound.


Drohn said:
Camoclone said:
Wrong. My accusations have a ton of weight considering it is D1.

They had some value in other games where you didn't change your vote in every post you make. Now you are randomly accusing everyone without even trying to get something useful for the town. You're switching so fast that it looks like you are avoiding us getting information we can actually use. Your play is very different now and I hope others will see that and join me in voting.
I don't change my vote every single post and if you thinka bout it about half of my posts were RVS. I'm not randomly accusing everyone (if you read my posts you might see that I use actual logic). I'm not switching so fast that it prevents us from getting information. I have so much information right now. And my play is exactly the same as previous games on D1.

alex said:
Camoclone said:
Sorry for triple posting but I was reading back for detail and no one posted...


@Alex... Contribute something. You have said absolutely nothing this entire game. Who would be the best lynch candidate in your opinion?

No Lynch is not an option. I don't scumhunt D1 without any previous information whatsoever.
We have enough info for you to start.

Jeremy1026 said:
I'm getting tired of seeing the constant vote jump.

##UNVOTE: Celever
##VOTE: Camoclone

TheGuy said:
Yeah, Camo doesn't usually jump from person to person this far into Day 1, if we expect him to be normal Camo he's be going after bbninjas for being a newbie. Although before I place my vote I'd like to see a vote count because if I remember correctly Camo already had a number of votes for him.
I go after who is scummy. Not new players.

Drohn said:
I know he voted randomly before, but it's different in this game. He doesn't focus on anyone or tries to get actual information. Before it would just be tunnelling a few people (mainly newcomers) to get a read. Now he's jumping all over the place without doing anything useful. It's actually a smart strategy for a wolf to distract the town with random votes and accusations and Camoclone's reputation works in his advantage for that. I still think it's very different this game and I don't think that's random. I think he's trying to stop us from doing what he generally does in other games; trying to get reads on people by tunnelling them or pretending to tunnel them. He just jumps all over the place now so we don't get anywhere eventually.
I focused Celever for long enough. Read previous games and you will see that I do in fact switch randomly until I am settled on a lynch candidate. I have done useful things. And if I just randomly tunneled every single game then it would stop working.

Drohn said:
If you didn't read through the thread you likely didn't notice how different Camoclone's accusations are this game. It would be nice if you jump over to this wagon, since I (and others) really don't trust Camoclone this game.
My accusations are exactly the exact same. You make vague statements like this but fail to provide evidence from previous games.

TwistedTurtwig said:
Celever said:
Ok WHAT!? I don't care how subtle or innocent you phrased it, this is like first-degree role fishing. Sorry, but
##Unvote: Camoclone (was just a joke RVS anyway)
##Vote: Drohn


We've never seen you as scum, which is actually a serious disadvantage because we don't know what differences to look for. What I do know, though, is that you have been less apparently active than normal this game, and have made a few odd decisions. I think you were one of the people who bandwagoned my lynch with fairly little reasoning (iPad, someone can confirm this?) and has decided to build this BS case on Camo now! I really can't see any merit in this lynch. Camo is indecisive, sure, but you know what? He's really trying! And he has contributed more than pretty much anyone else in this game so far. This lynch is completely stupid. The best logic is that he is voting for lots of people, but I really don't care about that because most of us still have our votes from RVS. Seriously, I need to chill out, I know, but this lynch is possibly one of the worst I've seen.


Also, I've got a strange feeling about Camo this game. It's almost as if he's trying to get lynched. He hasn't offered any real defense so far; not even a real response to the growing bandwagon on him. He could be a jester, or is immune to lynching, or something along those lines.
I have school and a life outside werewolf. I'm also not afraid of the bandwagon. If it was a solid case I might be afraid but alas it is not.

Keeper of Night said:
Camo, have you, in fact, reached your vote requirement for the day? Only 5 votes, yes? Are you sticking with the Celever vote now, or still planning to random vote?
I haven't randomly voted since RVS was over.

Drohn said:
I'm still for a Camoclone lynch D1, because too much isn't making sense with his accusations, but your other points make sense and should be looked into.
My accusations make sense you just need to think about them.

Jeremy1026 said:
Keeper of Night said:
Jeremy, explain your reasoning for your previous votes. Were they simply bandwagons, as they seem? You don't appear to explain your logic behind them. Also, aside from Camo and Celever, do you hav any other reads from today?
Had I left my vote on Camo from the beginning it would have looked bad for not following town. If I change it I'm bandwagoning.
"Town". As if "town" is something else.
##UNVOTE: REV3RSOR
##VOTE:JEREMY1026


Drohn said:
A Camoclone lynch would give us more information on Jeremy, myself, Celever, and potentially others that voted them/jumped the wagon.
It would give us as much information as any other lynch.
 
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Camoclone said:
alex said:
No Lynch is not an option. I don't scumhunt D1 without any previous information whatsoever.
We have enough info for you to start.

If I agreed with you I would've.
 
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Drohn said:
Most of Camoclone's votes aren't in your post. My point is that Camoclone generally tunnels people to get info out of them. He focuses longer on the same target. That's not the case now. I honestly think his requirement to vote 5 times is made up, and even if it isn't, it doesn't justify voting 11 times.
I didn't quote all of his posts... That'd go past max for the post. I also ignored all the votes that go toward his supposed condition.
But, why don't you think he's telling the truth with his restriction? It seems a silly thing to lie about, especially since he'd be voting more than 5 anyway. If anything, he should have claimed 10 if he was lying.

I'm still for a Camoclone lynch D1, because too much isn't making sense with his accusations, but your other points make sense and should be looked into.
It pretty much boils down to whether you believe Camo's restriction or not. I see no reason for him to lie about such a thing this early with no pressure on his role (at the point of revealing this), and can therefor blame most of his early behavior on this. The only vote I suspect him of was the switch from SF to Rev, but that isn't enough to make me want his lynch.

Jeremy1026 said:
Keeper of Night said:
Jeremy, explain your reasoning for your previous votes. Were they simply bandwagons, as they seem? You don't appear to explain your logic behind them. Also, aside from Camo and Celever, do you hav any other reads from today?

Look back at past games. This is my style. I post what I think and that is it. I'm often not the first to different opinions, but I state which I agree with when voting. Not everyone can be first to everything.

Had I left my vote on Camo from the beginning it would have looked bad for not following town. If I change it I'm bandwagoning.
This doesn't change that blind bandwagoning is scummy. If your only reason for those votes was to prevent you from seeming bad to the town... That's definitely a scummy thing to do.

Celever...

Celever said:
First for the question:
After the lynch I said "#OMGUS". At the time it was still RVS and it didn't look like the lynch would become anything.
Ok.

Second of all, even you admit that outing role names is either pointless or harmful. You may be interested to see who has your favourite Pokémon, but you also had the sense to not openly ask for it.
So...?

Third of all, my attack on Drohn is as warranted as his on Camo's or yours on Jeremy's. All of us found a player scummy and are fishing for a reaction out of them. Why exactly is it unwarranted?
lol?
I only pressure people when I have good reason to. I have good reason against both you and Jeremy. If you can't see that, I suggest you read some of my previous posts again. Your rather pointless attack and over-reaction to a simple request that nobody would answer anyway is just... Well, quite dumb. Do you have any actual evidence for going against Drohn?

Now for Drohn's post:
Ignoring a person in a game of werewolf would make you considered completely dead meat on the competitive sites I play on. This is still a different setting than what I am used to, so I still get some things wrong. This is very true. I also get many things right. Let's think back to the game you are referring to, the Reign of Terror, and what I got wrong. You and I were arguing about whether to lynch SF or alex, in others words, scum or indie. We were both right on our indictions. Furthermore, the second lynch I was wrong was grant, because he had a believable claim, and above all werewolf is a fact-based game. I got one wrong, oh dear, everybody makes mistakes. There is no real reason for you to ignore my attack on you. Also, as you should know I am a very competitive person, and I want to win. I put personal differences aside for a team, so you claiming that my attack on you is only a thing because it is "biased" just shows that you don't know me well at all. Please stop acting like you do.
...This game has nothing to do with events that happened in previous games. While there may be no reason for him to ignore your attack, there is also no reason for your attack in the first place. You best lay off for a while, as tunneling with this little proof or point is getting you nowhere fast, save maybe the top of a few suspect lists.

As for your out of game stuff, given the information available to me, it was the only logical conclusion I could make. I don't want to name names, but there were several other users who were in the same boat as me... I was just most vocal about it. It was the same as Werewolf -- a fact based game where we indict or defend others. You would have been lynched were that a game of Werewolf woth the amount of overwhelming evidence we were provided with.
I'm afraid I don't quite understand, but this game also has nothing to do with out-of-game experiences.

Back to the real game, Camo's lynch will not provide us info on me. I defended him harshly... If he flips town, I am scummy for defending a town so much because I wanted to get on the town's good side by protecting a townie. If he flips scum, I am scummy for defending a scum. I just state my opinions and don't think about the consequences in Werewolf, because as a townie it is all I can do.
Your first point makes no sense. You can't get on the town's good side by protecting a townie when we don't know for sure if anybody is a townie (especially not D1).
And the fact that you specifically say "as a townie" just makes me more suspicious...

And once again, no matter how much you sugar coat it, fishing for a claim of any sort doesn't have the town's best interest in mind. Everyone think about it for a moment: I am Elgyem, yes? I also have a weak ability, which is very much coinciding with my flavour and Pokemon species itself. It is probably so weak because Elgyem is, in itself, a weak, unevolved Pokemon. Think about what CHARIZARD would have! A powerful fan favourite... Fully evolved, fast, and a lot of powerful material to work with. Something like a bomb would be really fitting for the thing -- Charizard is, after all, a Pokémon who never gives up and gets a rush out of battling stronger Pokémon than it really should. In most games a lot can be discovered just from the role name, and this is definitely no exception. I am fully expecting the seer to be a psychic or ghost type, the announcer is probably Exploud or Loudred... If there were items in this game, Purrloin or Glameow would make perfect sense as a thief. The doctor is probably a normal type of some sort (like Chansey or something) and the vig is probably a ruthless physical, not afraid to get stuck in Pokemon like Seviper or Zangoose! Absol would probably be a wrong-place-wrong-time townie, too.
I don't know, are you Elgyem? As far as I am concerned, your role could still be a fake. Using that as a comparison is not going to work.
But for all we know, Charizard could be a vanilla townie. Or a seer, as little sense as it makes. Or anything else. Wondering if his favorite Pokemon is in the game isn't scummy at all.
Your other points are all moot as well. You can't prove what a town is just by the Pokemon it is.

If you are a psychic type, ghost type, Exploud, Loudred, Chansey, Seviper, Zangoose or Absol please step forward! They are all my favourite Pokemon!
Now you're just being annoying on purpose.

Yes, this is a rant, I was just demonstrating why that particular question is an awful thing to ask. It is role fishing, because you can get a good idea of the role or how powerful it is just from the Role Name. For all we know, you could be a Politician who needs Charizard, Blastoise and Venusaur dead to win! This is all baseless speculation, but is what we would undergo once Charizard claims (please don't) and you can see how detrimental it is for a role name to be claimed. Asking such a thing is a cause for major suspicion as far as I am concerned.
...Nobody else is going to claim D1 without pressure. That's just you. I'm pretty sure Drohn knew this with his post asking for Chari, you just blew it way out of proportion.

I don't find Jeremy too scummy, but it is certainly a better possible wagon than Camo's. I am still parking my vote on Drohn for now... Pretty much until he gives up this Camo lynch. His arguments still make no sense, and I'm starting to believe that he might just be some kind of Politician like I earlier speculated. Maybe not for a Charizard lynch, but a few actual usernames (Camo included). Maybe a mixture of both. Still holds more weight than his argument.
While I think it's a great theory, it's also highly improbable and... Rather specific, if I might add.
However, I think your do-or-die vote on Drohn until he stops voting Camo is just silly. For all I know though, you can Camo could both be scum at this point, or either of you, or both. But why keep on his side after all that has happened? Why keep an attack on Drohn until he stops attacking Camoclone?
 
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Camo, what is your opinion on Drohn? You tend to make your opinions clear and I trust you as someone I can really listen to, so I'm interested to see what you come up with!
 
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Camoclone said:
Keeper of Night said:
Camo, have you, in fact, reached your vote requirement for the day? Only 5 votes, yes? Are you sticking with the Celever vote now, or still planning to random vote?
I haven't randomly voted since RVS was over.
Including your instant switch from SF to Rev?

Jeremy1026 said:
Had I left my vote on Camo from the beginning it would have looked bad for not following town. If I change it I'm bandwagoning.
"Town". As if "town" is something else.
##UNVOTE: REV3RSOR
##VOTE:JEREMY1026
Hmm... Not that I can't agree, I came up with the points. But that's a rather minor technicality to vote him over... I would like to hear his response though. A proper one, not just claiming to bandwagon.
 
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Celever said:
If there were items in this game, Purrloin or Glameow would make perfect sense as a thief.

I can confirm that some players might have items. I've an Ability that tells me if a player that targeted me has one. I don't get the Pokémon or the Item, though. e.e Thanks for the useless Ability, Teal. :p

But now, to answer your post, you may be right in some points, but I just don't see Drohn as scummy. I'll have to check both Camo and Drohn now. I'll keep my vote on you, however, because AS FROM WHAT I'VE READ SO FAR (I haven't cought up completely), you see like my brst lynch candidate.
 
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Drohn said:
Camoclone said:
Wrong. My accusations have a ton of weight considering it is D1.

They had some value in other games where you didn't change your vote in every post you make. Now you are randomly accusing everyone without even trying to get something useful for the town. You're switching so fast that it looks like you are avoiding us getting information we can actually use. Your play is very different now and I hope others will see that and join me in voting.

TheGuy said:
Yeah, Camo doesn't usually jump from person to person this far into Day 1, if we expect him to be normal Camo he's be going after bbninjas for being a newbie. Although before I place my vote I'd like to see a vote count because if I remember correctly Camo already had a number of votes for him.

He didn't pick on probably because I posted after threads had blown up a bit.
 
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