Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Ok I'll partial claim. I have an imped where I have to vote at least 5 times a day. I don't know what happens if I don't so I'm kind of scared since I haven't voted 5 times yet.

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Ground breaking.

Spoiler

sarcasm

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Dammit, I was just about to unvote Celever and vote Camo.
If Drohn's theory is true, Camo being scum would confirm the scumminess of the Town Crier and possibly (just possibly) confirm the scumminess of the others in Drohn's theory (excluding Drohn throwing Camo under a bus to make us think the others in the theory are bad too).
If Drohn's theory is false and Camo is town, Drohn gets lynched the next day. This would also confirm the Town Crier being good.

And if Camo does have some copying ability and has copied a role, what would appear in his role reveal when he dies? The copied role or the original role?

Camo I know what I'm asking is to pretty much sacrifice you, but what are your thoughts on this?
Regardless of how tight Drohn's theory is, I think this might be the best play.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Let's assume the rest of the votes get split between people w/o votes (let's say me and Cinesra)
What would happen?
(assuming the unvote clause is in effect the whole phase)

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

I'll catch up with everything when I have the time, which is probably tomorrow. I just noticed this next bit because it had my name in it

Now that you're here, what's with your vote count?

Unless you're saying it was Ice Espeon, in which case, what's with yours IE?

I don't know what happened to my vote count as nothing in my role relates to vote weight. I can only assume that it was either to do with Meaty's role or it was an external factor such as someone else targeting me or Meaty with an ability that affects vote weight.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Dammit, I was just about to unvote Celever and vote Camo.
If Drohn's theory is true, Camo being scum would confirm the scumminess of the Town Crier and possibly (just possibly) confirm the scumminess of the others in Drohn's theory (excluding Drohn throwing Camo under a bus to make us think the others in the theory are bad too).
If Drohn's theory is false and Camo is town, Drohn gets lynched the next day. This would also confirm the Town Crier being good.

And if Camo does have some copying ability and has copied a role, what would appear in his role reveal when he dies? The copied role or the original role?

I don't actually see how if one person leads and march against a town should get lynched the following day. I also see camo as pretty scummy, but that could be quite simply how he is playing.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Dammit, I was just about to unvote Celever and vote Camo.
If Drohn's theory is true, Camo being scum would confirm the scumminess of the Town Crier and possibly (just possibly) confirm the scumminess of the others in Drohn's theory (excluding Drohn throwing Camo under a bus to make us think the others in the theory are bad too).
If Drohn's theory is false and Camo is town, Drohn gets lynched the next day. This would also confirm the Town Crier being good.

No... Don't do that. The role I have prevents my alignment from being seen at death.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Dammit, I was just about to unvote Celever and vote Camo.
If Drohn's theory is true, Camo being scum would confirm the scumminess of the Town Crier and possibly (just possibly) confirm the scumminess of the others in Drohn's theory (excluding Drohn throwing Camo under a bus to make us think the others in the theory are bad too).
If Drohn's theory is false and Camo is town, Drohn gets lynched the next day. This would also confirm the Town Crier being good.

No... Don't do that. The role I have prevents my alignment from being seen at death.

Wait. You only just tell us that?
Oh well. People can generally determine alignment from abilities and their names and everything else.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

So let us not trust Luis's role, Celever's role, your role and Drohn's role. Great. This is going to work out superb.

Yeah. Don't trust them. Trust Luis once Teal confirms it tomorrow morning. Trust TT. Don't trust Celever's role.

Actually my role is confirmed from my results last night which I posted at the start of the day -- not alignment, but role at the very least.

Drohn, what was it you said about me before? That I never consider the possibility that I am wrong? I really think you should try doing that round about now.

AtA, sorry if I came off as a little forceful there. Once we have the wording for SF's role, we might be able to debunk Drohn's theory!

Actually nvm, it already is debunked. You are piling lies on top of lies to make this seem believable, Drohn, and coming up with all kinds or random theories. Well here's one for you! I think that it is likely you are scum after wording a flawed case persuasively and getting a fast wagon on Camo or SF, so that you could then fish around to see if they have a powerful role through the pressure of the votes, and if so seal their fate by shutting off the votes for good. This isn't a random "yay fun unique day gimmick!". This is a role, and it was used by someone who wants Camo lynched right now. Of course, any wolf would want Camo lynched after he hinted at being a PR, but you set this whole charade up. You were desperate for Camo to claim earlier, but you used your role anyway when you realized he wasn't going to budge.

I would like everyone who still possesses their vote to have a closer look at Drohn before going ahead and lynching Camo. I know that I have been semi-tunneling him for days, but this theory actually makes sense. A hell of a lot more sense than Drohn's theory, anyway!

Also, I really believe that the announcer's message was just a read -- nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

bbninjas this is no longer about play style. This is about facts that happened; abilities being used and people miraculously (not really, since it's the scum chat) know things they wouldn't have known from only reading this thread.

@Camoclone: Role claim. Don't make up things.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

No... Don't do that. The role I have prevents my alignment from being seen at death.

Wait. You only just tell us that?
Oh well. People can generally determine alignment from abilities and their names and everything else.

Won't work for me. you won't see my flavor text. You can see my abilities though.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

@Celever: I didn't consider this could be the effect of an ability. It definitely isn't mine. I have one secret ability of which I have no idea how to unlock.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Dammit, I was just about to unvote Celever and vote Camo.
If Drohn's theory is true, Camo being scum would confirm the scumminess of the Town Crier and possibly (just possibly) confirm the scumminess of the others in Drohn's theory (excluding Drohn throwing Camo under a bus to make us think the others in the theory are bad too).
If Drohn's theory is false and Camo is town, Drohn gets lynched the next day. This would also confirm the Town Crier being good.

No... Don't do that. The role I have prevents my alignment from being seen at death.

What? You have an imped and are completely masked? The only roles I've come in contact with which mask alignment after death are anti-town roles, but you wouldn't claim an anti-town ability just like that.

WAIT A SEC I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING!!!

Rev, you claimed a neutral earlier - like an SK, right? He was talking about neutrals working together with the town being a thing in previous games, and he wants the same thing to happen this game regarding his role. Well Teal has officially confirmed that there are NO third parties in this game. In other words, you claimed a role not present in this game rn... Which makes you scum, basically.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Yeah. Don't trust them. Trust Luis once Teal confirms it tomorrow morning. Trust TT. Don't trust Celever's role.

Actually my role is confirmed from my results last night which I posted at the start of the day -- not alignment, but role at the very least.

Drohn, what was it you said about me before? That I never consider the possibility that I am wrong? I really think you should try doing that round about now.

AtA, sorry if I came off as a little forceful there. Once we have the wording for SF's role, we might be able to debunk Drohn's theory!

Actually nvm, it already is debunked. You are piling lies on top of lies to make this seem believable, Drohn, and coming up with all kinds or random theories. Well here's one for you! I think that it is likely you are scum after wording a flawed case persuasively and getting a fast wagon on Camo or SF, so that you could then fish around to see if they have a powerful role through the pressure of the votes, and if so seal their fate by shutting off the votes for good. This isn't a random "yay fun unique day gimmick!". This is a role, and it was used by someone who wants Camo lynched right now. Of course, any wolf would want Camo lynched after he hinted at being a PR, but you set this whole charade up. You were desperate for Camo to claim earlier, but you used your role anyway when you realized he wasn't going to budge.

I would like everyone who still possesses their vote to have a closer look at Drohn before going ahead and lynching Camo. I know that I have been semi-tunneling him for days, but this theory actually makes sense. A hell of a lot more sense than Drohn's theory, anyway!

Also, I really believe that the announcer's message was just a read -- nothing more, nothing less.

Errr... Anyone could have done this. ANYONE. If the wolves knew camo was town than they could stop the votes. If a town thought camo was wolf, then they could stop votes. It could work both ways.

 

[One Approved]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Jesus, you miss one day of werewolf and suddenly there's 70 pages to read. gimme a little while to play catch-up, then I'll try to be a bit more active here. Also lol @ the sticky slime

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

No... Don't do that. The role I have prevents my alignment from being seen at death.

What? You have an imped and are completely masked? The only roles I've come in contact with which mask alignment after death are anti-town roles, but you wouldn't claim an anti-town ability just like that.

WAIT A SEC I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING!!!

Rev, you claimed a neutral earlier - like an SK, right? He was talking about neutrals working together with the town being a thing in previous games, and he wants the same thing to happen this game regarding his role. Well Teal has officially confirmed that there are NO third parties in this game. In other words, you claimed a role not present in this game rn... Which makes you scum, basically.

Can I see the quote please Celever.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

I didn't see rev3rsor claiming a neutral role anywhere..

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

So I think I've caught up.
SF has previously claimed Goodra and there's something to do with slime.

Luis claimed, and is using his ability to reveal his role in the morning update. This either confirms him or makes him look really dodgy if he doesn't.

People don't trust me enough to pas me the life orb, which I completely understand since this is WW. However, in an attempt to actually get something usable out of my role, do you guys think we could make a deal? Like I reveal/let you guys direct what I do in exchange for keeping me alive and being able to use my role? (I first heard about this in a previous game, where an indie SK was being used by the town in this way; but I'm not an indie, since there aren't any, and I'm not scum.) Note: I understand if you don't want to or don't trust me, but it would be nice (and make it more fun for me ).

Wait what. Just reread and it now says "but I'm not an indie". Like I swear that wasn't there before ._.

Ok, well rev what did you mean by that post then? It makes no sense for you to have that tone unless you were anti-town. If you were town, would you not just basically say "hi yeah so I'm a super-powerful role give me the life orb here's my role yay!". The tone of that post is quite dark and distrusting... It just doesn't make sense...

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

Dammit, I was just about to unvote Celever and vote Camo.
If Drohn's theory is true, Camo being scum would confirm the scumminess of the Town Crier and possibly (just possibly) confirm the scumminess of the others in Drohn's theory (excluding Drohn throwing Camo under a bus to make us think the others in the theory are bad too).
If Drohn's theory is false and Camo is town, Drohn gets lynched the next day. This would also confirm the Town Crier being good.

And if Camo does have some copying ability and has copied a role, what would appear in his role reveal when he dies? The copied role or the original role?

I don't actually see how if one person leads and march against a town should get lynched the following day. I also see camo as pretty scummy, but that could be quite simply how he is playing.

Basically:
Drohn's got a huge elaborate theory
Drohn's been attempting to drill that theory in to the rest of us and get us bandwagoning
If Drohn's theory is false, there's a high chance he's a wolf
If Drohn's theory is true, there's a high chance he's town

I'd be happy to go along with Drohn's theory to vote Camo but I still don't think it's impossible for it to be a bussing tactic. Voting Camo would help determine if it's bussing or not.

Also, eliminating Camo means there's one less skilled/influential/veteran player in the game. If it comes to lynch Drohn as well as Camo, that's two veterans gone right there. From what I've seen, it's the veterans that are fanning the fire and swaying the conversations to get people on to their bandwagons. They're the big manipulators of the game so far. I don't think it's a bad thing if it just so happens that we get rid of them at some point, even if it means that the game progresses a little slower from that point onwards.
Still miffed about the unvoting thing, but I figured I'd share my thoughts behind what I would vote as well.

No... Don't do that. The role I have prevents my alignment from being seen at death.

This is probably the only thing you could say that implies you want to save your own skin instead of helping Town figure things out. And such a role doesn't sound like a Town-friendly role. Why would townies hide from each other?

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

bbninjas this is no longer about play style. This is about facts that happened; abilities being used and people miraculously (not really, since it's the scum chat) know things they wouldn't have known from only reading this thread.

@Camoclone: Role claim. Don't make up things.

Ok...

Zoroark
Alignment: Town
You are Zoroark the trickster. You like to cause confusion around town. Unfortunately you can't do that if everyone is killed.

Ability: Playful
You must cast at least five different votes every day. (You must unvote between the votes.)

Ability: Illusion
Your alignment and flavour text will not be revealed upon your death.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 2: ends Thursday 2nd]

What? You have an imped and are completely masked? The only roles I've come in contact with which mask alignment after death are anti-town roles, but you wouldn't claim an anti-town ability just like that.

WAIT A SEC I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING!!!

Rev, you claimed a neutral earlier - like an SK, right? He was talking about neutrals working together with the town being a thing in previous games, and he wants the same thing to happen this game regarding his role. Well Teal has officially confirmed that there are NO third parties in this game. In other words, you claimed a role not present in this game rn... Which makes you scum, basically.

Can I see the quote please Celever.

If you are talking about this quote:

So I think I've caught up.
SF has previously claimed Goodra and there's something to do with slime.

Luis claimed, and is using his ability to reveal his role in the morning update. This either confirms him or makes him look really dodgy if he doesn't.

People don't trust me enough to pas me the life orb, which I completely understand since this is WW. However, in an attempt to actually get something usable out of my role, do you guys think we could make a deal? Like I reveal/let you guys direct what I do in exchange for keeping me alive and being able to use my role? (I first heard about this in a previous game, where an indie SK was being used by the town in this way; but I'm not an indie, since there aren't any, and I'm not scum.) Note: I understand if you don't want to or don't trust me, but it would be nice (and make it more fun for me ).

Reversor never said anything about being neutral. Or being scum or being town. He asked for a deal.