Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Wow, no posts for 4 or so hours.
I'm going to vote Blui simply because if he is Keldeo, he could possibly have the ability to see our QT. I have asked MTC how many IPs he has used to access the QT. He said 1. Assuming that Teal and Drohn used 2 IPs each (phone and PC), that leaves 5 remaining IPs. Remember I used 3.

3+1+2+2 = 8. There is 13 unique IPs according to the QT stats at the bottom of the page. (MTC, please confirm).
That leaves 5 mystery IPs. I'm pretty at least one of them could be Blui.

So my vote:
##VOTE: Blui

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

And rev, please post your opinions on these events.

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I'm here now, and kinda caught up on everything.
I think I post enough to not get modkilled (i think?).
So there's a 1 in 6 chance I'm scum (not literally). I know I can't prove it, but I hope what I've done so far (outlined here) kinda proves it.
I claimed my role, about the life orb, before receiving it from bigfootaus (he can verify this if he wants to). Also, the people who had it before me were MTC (N0) and bbninjas (N1) which they can confirm, to prove that I'm telling the truth on this.
(Admittedly this doesn't exactly show I'm town but I'm hoping that a bit of transparency, and credibility, will help.)
While I don't want to reveal my full role so as to not let scum know it, I will say (and have said) that it's something to do with voting and lynches.

Also, I don't want to rule out the possibility of CF being roleblocked, as the reason why he didn't receive any results and the reason that Celever didn't die; in this scenario then we can both believe CF's role, and suspect Celever as scum, which I'm leaning to. I say this because Celever was on the list of 6, and that he has been 'leading' the town as people have pointed out. He also seems pretty aggressive compared to everyone else, which is why I'm leaning towards him.

I'll just drop my vote here for now: ##vote: Celever

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I never had any item. I'll post more (and vote) when I get home - currently on a bus.

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

what
that's so weird
Just to clarify, here's the PM Teal sent me before giving me my updated role PM:

Hey, listen!
bigfootaus is a bit suspicious... take a closer look.

I assumed it implied that you had/passed me the item, but I'm not so sure now...

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

@MTC: Well, I'd really like to defend myself against the vote you cast against me... but your accusation is pretty much "he's on the list, and just seems more suspicious to me". I can't defend much against this. Yes, I am on the list, and I can't call you out when you base yourself on hunches. You say I am scum, my defense pretty much is saying I am not.
Conversely, Blui is a very probable suspect right now. A rogue knight-definitely sounds like someone who would join Anti-Arceus.

##VOTE: Blui

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I never had any item. I'll post more (and vote) when I get home - currently on a bus.

Why do you say you have never had an item?
Wait a second. Bigfootaus NEVER had the life orb, I was the one who gave it to him, MTC gave it to me. I was actually going to give it to Drohn but thankfully (maybe?) I didn't, Drohn would never had the chance to pass it on. You've gone the opposite rev...
In case you were wondering, Drohn suggested I passed it on (and had a town on rev) while MTC was more a probably shouldn't give it on. Here are quotes (in order Celever):

Spoiler

@Life Orb You received a Life Orb. It must not get in wrong hands, but the power is so overwhelming that you can not hold on it for long. You must pass this item to another player during the next night.

What do you think? Here are some theories:

The item will kill you if you don't pass it along.
The item will kill someone else after a while. (Not sure about this one)
The item cannot be given to the same person twice, or death is inevitable.

I didn't actually receive any effect of the item so... it could still have secret abilities.
Goodie! I <3 secrets!

Give it to TwistedTurtwig. It might be needed to safe his life. If it's not, he'll just have to pass it along.

*file and save*
I need MTC's opinion before I make a definite. Is it a good thing that he may not be able to pass it along so the orb could die with him, particularly if it is a dangerous item.

Since it's the Life Orb, it might be able to heal him. If it's not at least we know it's in safe hands with someone from the town.

Oh, yeah, I passed the Life Orb to you, bb. I didn't want to tell you guys before because I thought one of you was scum, but I was planning to tell you today because I've come to believe you're both town.

Don't pass it to TT. Other people will probably be passing him more useful items that we want him to have; possibly something that can cure him. We could just pass it to Drohn (and potentially back to bb and I the night after) and wait until we know more information before passing it to someone besides us.

I think tonight, we should pass the orb to Drohn, then tomorrow we can make a better guess as to who we should pass it to. I think it's too risky to pass it back to us, as you're right, it could kill us, since we've had it before. I think someone else has passed TT an Item, and passing one to him would just bounce the item back to you/Drohn.

Rev asks for orb

Okay, Opinion Time!
Rev3rsor says
Sorry for the double post; replying to bbninjas. My role literally does not tell me anything except the fact that I need to obtain said item "soon" (end quote) and that I have a secret ability.

Rev3rsor also mentions something about evolving, the quote follows:
On another note, why so quick to deny me Celever? I understand you're being on the safe side but that was... pretty disappointing for me since it's currently my only ability. (would it be necessary for me to claim? I would really like to evolve :3)

Enough with the quotes: I'm going to ask a DIRECT question and I request direct answers. The question is:
Should I give the life orb to Rev3sor? Explain.

I would pass the item to Rev3rsor. I think he's town and he needs the orb. Can you pass it to him tonight?

Don't pass the Life Orb to rev. I see no reason to trust him with it. I think we should just keep passing it between ourselves for now.

Opinions on Reversor's most recent post (#843)? I think it makes him lean more to the town side.

His post definitely seems like a town post to me. I wouldn't ask him to claim. I'd take the risk and just give him the Life Orb.

The Camo-CF-KoN-Meaty scenario occurs...

bbninja's passes the orb, Drohn dies

I've passed the life orb to reversor.

I suppose it's alright to pass the Life Orb to rev. A townie with an upgraded role will most likely be more helpful than a scum with an upgraded role will be unhelpful.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Actually, rev, bb passed the Item to you (well, I had it, and passed it to bb, who said he passed it to you). That is quite the bazar PM for Teal to send to you. Maybe it means Bigfoot's a wolf? That, plus the reporter saying to look into him seem kind of suspicious. Maybe we should be looking into him? Hmmmmmm.

Wow, no posts for 4 or so hours.
I'm going to vote Blui simply because if he is Keldeo, he could possibly have the ability to see our QT. I have asked MTC how many IPs he has used to access the QT. He said 1. Assuming that Teal and Drohn used 2 IPs each (phone and PC), that leaves 5 remaining IPs. Remember I used 3.

3+1+2+2 = 8. There is 13 unique IPs according to the QT stats at the bottom of the page. (MTC, please confirm).
That leaves 5 mystery IPs. I'm pretty at least one of them could be Blui.

So my vote:
##VOTE: Blui

Ehhhhhhhh I'm not sure it's really ethical to use IP addresses as evidence. I already dug myself into this by telling you how many IPs I've used to log onto QT, so I'll just say yes, I have only used 1. However, QT has a little note describing the whole IP info thing, and it says their estimated IPs is usually higher than the actual amount, so it's hard to use that as solid evidence. I'm not going to use that as a factor when deciding to vote Blui or not. And him secretly seeing our QT seems like a silly ability to have anyway, so I doubt that's actually true anyway.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

what
that's so weird
Just to clarify, here's the PM Teal sent me before giving me my updated role PM:

Hey, listen!
bigfootaus is a bit suspicious... take a closer look.

I assumed it implied that you had/passed me the item, but I'm not so sure now...

I'm assuming you were sent something from Teal completely irrelevant. What I find extremely suspicious is that Bigfootaus was suggested to be looked through by the reporter.

And who targeted me the previous night!?

@MTC Why is that weird? That actually makes sense, but is possibly OP. I'm still sticking with Blui. Keeps me at rest...
@Everyone else | Did anyone else get any weird messages like rev's?

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Well, the only message I've received from Teal is my role pm.
##UNVOTE: PMJ
##VOTE: rev3rsor
I'll be home soon. Got some stuff to say about Teal's message to rev about looking in to me. Seems fake and/or parroting. Dunno why I'd need a life orb. Would be another whopping scum slip to try and drag me into this. Maybe rev just wants a kiss...

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Home now, prepare for discussion smackdown.

First of all, I've teased at what my role is earlier in this day phase. If the life orb allows players to evolve as rev claimed earlier in the game, why would I, a Jynx, need it? How could I use it?
Second of all, I have not received any messages from Teal since he gave me my role PM. Haven't received any items, and honestly I'm really glad bbninjas pasted his chat because now I can do this big analysis:

This:

Hey, listen!
bigfootaus is a bit suspicious... take a closer look.

Is nothing like this:

@Life Orb You received a Life Orb. It must not get in wrong hands, but the power is so overwhelming that you can not hold on it for long. You must pass this item to another player during the next night.

Surely if rev got the orb, he'd have received the message bbninjas received. Rev should then already know what message would mean "You have this item now!" as opposed to something that's just parroting a newspaper. <- Premonition of the newspaper, as it turns out.

I suppose it's alright to pass the Life Orb to rev. A townie with an upgraded role will most likely be more helpful than a scum with an upgraded role will be unhelpful.

Not sure if scumbuddies with rev or just a town slip... Upgraded scum are bad. So far the scum in this game have poisoned, killed, and prevented unvotes. Upgrades of that would be nasty. Why would you say that upgraded scum aren't too bad for the town?

That is quite the bazar PM for Teal to send to you. Maybe it means Bigfoot's a wolf? That, plus the reporter saying to look into him seem kind of suspicious. Maybe we should be looking into him? Hmmmmmm.

Rev could potentially be faking the bizarre PM. Why would a game host be saying "this person is suspicious!"? Maybe I'm just a naive WW rookie but it seems weird.
If Teal's message is authentic, it would mean that since Rev received that PM as he got his new role, rev would've received the "bigfootaus is a bit suspicious... take a closer look" message before today's newspaper update which said "bigfootaus: Look into him"
So, rev is pretty closely tied to the newspaper there.
Since rev is trying to drag me into the life orb mess, I believe he's scum. It's kinda a big slip-up for someone who already received a PM about receiving an item to mix up what sort of PM does that. Being told to be suspicious of a person an entire phase before the newspaper announces it is also suspicious - not necessarily a scum suspicion, but it would mean either rev or MTC are scum and/or the reporter.
And Machamp seems so easily swayed by rev saying that I need to be looked into:

Maybe it means Bigfoot's a wolf? That, plus the reporter saying to look into him seem kind of suspicious. Maybe we should be looking into him? Hmmmmmm.

So, I think rev and MTC are scum based on this little life orb kerfuffle. Voting rev for this day, MTC the next. Rev first because (1) he started this whole thing and it just seems fair this way (2) he has been upgraded and upgraded scum are bad scum.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

A few things. Probably bad for my rep but... you sort-of ignored the fact that I passed the orb Rev. Remember Rev could have been sent that quote, which possibly could lead me to thinking someone can send a message to Teal for another play, that the player will receive. That is why I asked if anyone else got weird messages like that from Teal.
Rev, please post the message that said it was MTC and me who had the Life Orb.
I'm glad my posts were of good use.
@bigfoot | Umm... You forgot to vote...

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I voted in a previous post.
MTC saying "I guess it's alright to give rev the orb" was the last comment he gave before you gave rev the orb (according to your copypaste, at least), so I'd assume MTC was gaining trust by saying no at first, and then changing his mind once the general consensus on rev was that he was more townie than scummy. Of the three Musketeers, it was hinted that one would be scum. MTC seems most likely from your group.

If no one else received any weird message from Teal saying to look into me, then it means Rev is either the reporter, or scum and communicating with the scum reporter.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Yeah, I'm pretty convinced that rev is town from his posts, but I am wary of just one thing:

"You received a Life Orb. It must not get in wrong hands, but the power is so overwhelming that you can not hold on it for long. You must pass this item to another player during the next night."

"It must not get in the wrong hands"? This heavily implies that there is an anti-town player who wants the role. I think that it is somewhat likely that there would also be a townie wanting the item in addition to the scum needing it, but you ARE on the list.

Also did you tell us what your role is at any point rev? Could be nice ^_^

I think that the message you received is the work of a role -- and a scum one at that. Look at the structure of it: "Hey, Listen!" doesn't fit within the flavour of this game, which is something Teal has stuck to pretty religiously I think, and remember when the announcer said we should take a closer look at bigfoot? IIRC it was phrased quite similarly, so I think he must have also received a message. One of the announcer and messenger are probably mafia-aligned, and the the was presumably given this message, so he's town aligned. If the announcer were mafia-aligned he would know that bigfoot either is scum (wouldn't announce the message) or is town (would announce the message but would give scum his identity) so the announcer being town makes more sense.

So I'm not going to trust the messages, tbqh.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I voted in a previous post.
MTC saying "I guess it's alright to give rev the orb" was the last comment he gave before you gave rev the orb (according to your copypaste, at least), so I'd assume MTC was gaining trust by saying no at first, and then changing his mind once the general consensus on rev was that he was more townie than scummy. Of the three Musketeers, it was hinted that one would be scum. MTC seems most likely from your group.

If no one else received any weird message from Teal saying to look into me, then it means Rev is either the reporter, or scum and communicating with the scum reporter.

Hmmm.... MTC doesn't always favour the current Town lynch/view (often Celever's) according to most posts of his Ive seen. This was another quote of MTC's that I think I forgot to post:

If we think he's town, yes, we should give him the orb. Don't force him to claim. If he is a powerful townie, we don't want to bring attention onto him, in fear of the wolves killing him. Someone will probably ask rev to claim anyway.

What is interesting was that MTC wanted me to pass the orb to Drohn (who I believe both of us thought was town).

Oh. And that quote "I guess it's alright to give rev the orb" was during the night after I had given the orb to rev. Do remember that Drohn was revealed as town that night, which could have influenced something.

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

Okay, here we go.
I received the above quoted PM before receiving my updated role PM. Therefore I assumed it was linked to my new role PM.

The second PM I received that night contained my new role PM:

You have been passed the Life Orb! Here is your new role PM:

-snip- (that's my role)

Additionally, you feel that the following people have held the Life Orb before you:
Night 0: Machamp the Champion
Night 1: bbninjas

So that's what I have to say.

I did not say what my role was, but said several times that it had to do with (my) votes and the daily lynch.

The message probably is an outside role, like something that sends me a message. It doesn't seem like it would be part of Teal's normal speech. I hadn't thought of it much at the time because I was excited about getting a new role, but now that it's brought up I'm starting to understand.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

"I did not say what my role was, but said several times that it had to do with (my) votes and the daily lynch."

Did you have something to do with the IE Meaty vote count incident D1?

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

"I did not say what my role was, but said several times that it had to do with (my) votes and the daily lynch."

Did you have something to do with the IE Meaty vote count incident D1?

Nope, the abilities that did anything only started after N2 (D3) when I got given the orb. So that wasn't me.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I'm going to continue asking the question of who targeted me last night... because I'm impatient.

@rev, could you possibly claim your role before you it got updated?

 

[rev3rsor]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 4: ends Tuesday 14th]

I have, somewhere before, but I'll post it again.

Spoink
Alignment: Town
How long have you been looking for it now, hopping every second in order to live while hoping to find relief? It has begun to feel like a distant myth.

Ability: The Legendary Life Orb
You need to get the legendary orb soon in order to evolve.

Secret Ability: ?