Finished Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [AND THE WINNERS ARE...]

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Think along the lines of Romeo & Juliet. When I die, my lover (whom I get to choose after I die) dies too. Didn't think you two would be so stuck on this for so long...

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Think along the lines of Romeo & Juliet. When I die, my lover (whom I get to choose after I die) dies too. Didn't think you two would be so stuck on this for so long...

So we should try and nail down the last scum so Bigfootaus can kill them when he dies.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Think along the lines of Romeo & Juliet. When I die, my lover (whom I get to choose after I die) dies too. Didn't think you two would be so stuck on this for so long...

So we should try and nail down the last scum so Bigfootaus can kill them when he dies.

No, we shouldn't. We should trust in bigfoot. If we publicly announce who we want bigfoot to kill, the scum can play all kinds of mindgames with us...

Bigfoot, that's a role that I've never even seen before. "A kiss goodbye" doesn't fit your role at all, but fine...

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

So we should try and nail down the last scum so Bigfootaus can kill them when he dies.

"when he dies" - oh =(
You're on the right track with that idea though. If you've paid attention to my posts throughout this game, you'll note that I like the lists of multiple suspects and have asked to make sure you guys keep more than 1 lynch suspect in mind during discussions. This way, if you guys decide to lynch me, there'd be at least 1 other target (that I could then kill) as well.
Since keeping multiple scum suspects in mind throughout the game increases the chance of suspecting actual scum, it should hopefully keep the wolves on their toes too.

So we should try and nail down the last scum so Bigfootaus can kill them when he dies.

No, we shouldn't. We should trust in bigfoot. If we publicly announce who we want bigfoot to kill, the scum can play all kinds of mindgames with us...

Bigfoot, that's a role that I've never even seen before. "A kiss goodbye" doesn't fit your role at all, but fine...

Keeping multiple suspects in mind should counter any chance of scum mindgames... right?

I don't understand how 'a kiss goodbye' wouldn't fit my role? I am a Jynx, after all.
[img=320x240]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/2/24/Nurse_Joy_Jynx_Lovely_Kiss.png[/img]

 

[Chaos Jackal]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Welp, looks like I have a wagon on me.
I'll pretty much say that I am not scum. Right now, I don't see any more specific accusations, so I cannot give a more specific or detailed defense.
I still think CrimsonFlame is the best lynch. If he was telling the truth, then that clears Celever as well, leaving only rev3rsor in the list... and me, of course, but as I said, I am not scum.

##VOTE: CrimsonFlame

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

So we should try and nail down the last scum so Bigfootaus can kill them when he dies.

"when he dies" - oh =(
You're on the right track with that idea though. If you've paid attention to my posts throughout this game, you'll note that I like the lists of multiple suspects and have asked to make sure you guys keep more than 1 lynch suspect in mind during discussions. This way, if you guys decide to lynch me, there'd be at least 1 other target (that I could then kill) as well.
Since keeping multiple scum suspects in mind throughout the game increases the chance of suspecting actual scum, it should hopefully keep the wolves on their toes too.

No, we shouldn't. We should trust in bigfoot. If we publicly announce who we want bigfoot to kill, the scum can play all kinds of mindgames with us...

Bigfoot, that's a role that I've never even seen before. "A kiss goodbye" doesn't fit your role at all, but fine...

Keeping multiple suspects in mind should counter any chance of scum mindgames... right?

I don't understand how 'a kiss goodbye' wouldn't fit my role? I am a Jynx, after all.
[img=320x240]http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/2/24/Nurse_Joy_Jynx_Lovely_Kiss.png[/img]

I don't want you dead though... It was just a point.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Ok, so I think a lot of people have sort of had this at the back of their minds but haven't actually wanted to say it, but why are we following that list so religiously? How do we know that AtA is actually telling the truth?

I was willing to believe the list when it first started; there was no reason not to, really. But now with these 4 people left the list just doesn't make sense... Bigfoot's claim is logical and pretty realistically could be in this game. He was messaged as being someone to look into two nights ago. Last night CJ got the same treatment. Therefore if bigfoot is town, so is CJ.

Rev's actions makes no sense whatsoever at all as scum. You don't say you want an item to evolve if you're scum, and you definitely don't announce that you received it if you're scum. However, I would like an ability claim from you. IIRC I think you claimed something to do with killing before... Where are the kills?

Crimson could be trying to hide out on me while really being scum. His role claim was odd, but his reactions were good and I just don't have a scum read on him. However, I'm not scum, and he formed a serious bond/cpnnection between the two of us with his claiming. This COULD be a scum move -- the player trying to get a clean by hitching on a high-profile town member. IDK, though...

And then there's me. I'm town.

This is abductive reasoning for sure, but all the signs point to the list itself being fake, because by using abductive reasoning and a couple strong opinions we can deduce that all 4 members are town. Which means AtA is scum...

...But you know what? I KINDA want to lynch Crimson. I'm in 3 minds about this. I've already said why I think CJ is mafia, but if the messenger is scum like I also believe, it could be a last ditch effort to save CJ. However, AtA and Crimson certainly can be argued as scum thanks to the logic I provided above...

I want to stick with CJ for now. I already thought that the messenger was scum, and if you flip scum we know he is... And you do have the strongest case, I think.

 

[Blui]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

No flip..?

Also Blui why are you back alive? Revive is a very uncommon role, and the only way that it could work itg imo is if you came back as scum. I think it's worth leaving you for today, though. You might die for real at the end of the day or something.

PMJ, know anything about Blui's revival?

I don't know why I'm alive, I don't even really know why I was lynched in the first place, seeing as I was away and couldn't defend myself in anyway. Basically I just got a PM from Teal that said "You have been revived for Day 5 with no abilities or vote". The fact that you are suspicious that I've been revived bothers me. But eh.

PMJ shouldn't know anything about it unless it's his role. We literally didn't talk in our QT. I was PMJ saying he wasn't going to use it much because he couldn't confirm if I was town or not. All I did was reveal myself as Keldeo and then ask if Drohn's modkill gave PMJ some faith in me, which was met with a prompt no.

Anway I'm going to be demoing TCG at Armageddon today so I probably won't be on for much of today.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

The messenger would have to be a seer to 100% accurately say CJ is scum. Being a seer and a messenger? Is that common in WW?
If the messenger is scum (thus working with a scum seer, which I think would be more reasonable than being a townie messenger + seer), throwing 2 wolves (CJ and myself, according to Celever's theory w/ the messenger) out like that would be a huge waste.
Pretty sure the messenger is just like the newspaper: a player's thoughts, not hard evidence. Noticeable by the message saying "Look into ____" instead of "___ is scum".

And we're jumping on lists because they're actual, organized leads that we can follow. They're better than circular discussions because progress can be made by going through a list of players and inspecting them for scumminess.

Crimson could be trying to hide out on me while really being scum. His role claim was odd, but his reactions were good and I just don't have a scum read on him. However, I'm not scum, and he formed a serious bond/cpnnection between the two of us with his claiming. This COULD be a scum move -- the player trying to get a clean by hitching on a high-profile town member. IDK, though...

If CF dies, is town, and his role reveal in the update mentions the ability he used on you, you're clean.
If CF is scum, trying to get a safety bond on an unconfirmed player such as yourself isn't exactly 100% foolproof. Haven't seen any undeniable confirmation that you're town, Celever.
You're pretty much leading town, and have been for a while. There's been plenty of time for scum to nightkill you. Since you're leading town, I wanna verify that you are actually town, so I'm voting CF and hoping he was truthful for the sake of the long-game.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

For the final time, I'm not trying to lead the town. This is how I always play... Not as a leader, just as an active annoying guy who tries hard!

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Ok, Celever do you want a full reveal
I revealed my flavor and everything
If you can find an error in my role then lynch me. I find it quite interesting that your reasoning for the list being fake is that you are saying you are town. Ofc anyone could say that, but that seems pretty scummy "oh I'm town and I think everyone else is town. List = fake"
One person on the list is scum
Why CANT it be you??

Also, would you mind role revealing again I forgot what your abilities did.
I also think it is very suspicious BF doesn't wanna C + P his ability he ALREADY revealed
If your head is on the block, what makes it so hard to C + P to prove something? You say you don't wanna go back and find it. Can't you go to your PM to find it? Interesting... Interesting...

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

There are some very good points out there. Celever has basically saying he is confirmed town and growing off that, some say AtA is making this up, and BF is starting to become suspicious.

I would like to see MTC's opinions on this.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

There are some very good points out there. Celever has basically saying he is confirmed town and growing off that, some say AtA is making this up, and BF is starting to become suspicious.

I would like to see MTC's opinions on this.

Celever = some
Mmmmmk

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

What is taking Celever so long
Going back to see what you revealed? According to your profile you've been replying for a long time

 

[Luispipe8]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

You're pretty much leading town, and have been for a while. There's been plenty of time for scum to nightkill you. Since you're leading town, I wanna verify that you are actually town, so I'm voting CF and hoping he was truthful for the sake of the long-game.

Even though I mostly agree with this, I have to say that it's not always the case. In RoT we saw that Palutena's vig kill was needed to take out Keeper. But again, he was protected from a double kill so that might have thrown them away from him or to think he was a townie of some sort. Looking at the current discussion and suspects, I agree CF is the one that can actually give us a lead, because in all the other we only gain a Lynch with not a lot of information.

##VOTE: CrimsonFlame

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

I also think it is very suspicious BF doesn't wanna C + P his ability he ALREADY revealed

Because we've already come to the realization that roleclaims an be edited and are thus worthless? I've already revealed via paraphrasing, yes, and thus have no reason to copypaste my role PM.

If your head is on the block, what makes it so hard to C + P to prove something?

Didn't think my head was on the block, but sure. As mentioned above, copypasted role PMs mean nothing when we all know they can be tampered with. I'm not gonna bother with it.

You say you don't wanna go back and find it. Can't you go to your PM to find it? Interesting... Interesting...

Never said this. You're misreading my posts. I said I've already posted enough about my role previously and thus don't need to post it all again. Everyone else can go back and find it. Never mentioned my PM in that post, and the only time I mentioned copypasting my role PM at all was when I said I didn't want to do that because teasing a paraphrased role is more fun for me.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

You're pretty much leading town, and have been for a while. There's been plenty of time for scum to nightkill you. Since you're leading town, I wanna verify that you are actually town, so I'm voting CF and hoping he was truthful for the sake of the long-game.

Even though I mostly agree with this, I have to say that it's not always the case. In RoT we saw that Palutena's vig kill was needed to take out Keeper. But again, he was protected from a double kill so that might have thrown them away from him or to think he was a townie of some sort. Looking at the current discussion and suspects, I agree CF is the one that can actually give us a lead, because in all the other we only gain a Lynch with not a lot of information.

##VOTE: CrimsonFlame

We could lynch and check to see AtA is lying or telling the truth. That would give us a good lead as well.

I also think it is very suspicious BF doesn't wanna C + P his ability he ALREADY revealed

Because we've already come to the realization that roleclaims an be edited and are thus worthless? I've already revealed via paraphrasing, yes, and thus have no reason to copypaste my role PM.

If your head is on the block, what makes it so hard to C + P to prove something?

Didn't think my head was on the block, but sure. As mentioned above, copypasted role PMs mean nothing when we all know they can be tampered with. I'm not gonna bother with it.

You say you don't wanna go back and find it. Can't you go to your PM to find it? Interesting... Interesting...

Never said this. You're misreading my posts. I said I've already posted enough about my role previously and thus don't need to post it all again. Everyone else can go back and find it. Never mentioned my PM in that post, and the only time I mentioned copypasting my role PM at all was when I said I didn't want to do that because teasing a paraphrased role is more fun for me.

C/Ping your role can help us determine if it is fake. Look at Camo. If he never C/P, we would have never discovered his slip. I think it is scummy that you are making excuses not to C/P your role, possibly to make a fake role yourself. I also think BF may be scum since he was using the mason QT posts that I posted to try and prove MTC is scummy. I can imagine a Jynx being scummy, as well as, in reference to AtA, a Delibird.

Actually, I can DEFIANTLY see Delibird as scum... mainly because of this:

This Delibird was under control of the Masked Man and can look pretty evil, as seen above.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

I also think BF may be scum since he was using the mason QT posts that I posted to try and prove MTC is scummy.

Well yeah, I had to use your QT posts because I don't have any QT posts of my own to use as reference. First WW game, never used QT before. I needed someone else to post their QT posts so I knew what they looked like, and you did just that. If you think MtC is clean, then I'd start inspecting you. There should be one scum in that little group of yours, which leads me to this...

Why are AtA and bbninjas so desperate to see a copypasted role PM when I've discussed and paraphrased my role already? Why are those two so suddenly trying to get a copypasted role PM from me? Did you miss Day 4? Did you miss every other day when I was dropping small hints about my role? Why ask for a copypasted role PM now?

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

I also think BF may be scum since he was using the mason QT posts that I posted to try and prove MTC is scummy.

Well yeah, I had to use your QT posts because I don't have any QT posts of my own to use as reference. First WW game, never used QT before. I needed someone else to post their QT posts so I knew what they looked like, and you did just that. If you think MtC is clean, then I'd start inspecting you. There should be one scum in that little group of yours, which leads me to this...

Why are AtA and bbninjas so desperate to see a copypasted role PM when I've discussed and paraphrased my role already? Why are those two so suddenly trying to get a copypasted role PM from me? Did you miss Day 4? Did you miss every other day when I was dropping small hints about my role? Why ask for a copypasted role PM now?

Why? Because you are being so defiant in helping the town
##Vote: bigfootaus
Too much of this for me to handle and I seriously doubt anyone will go along with my Celever is scum theory
If BF flips town I'm inclined to believe Celever is scum

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXIII: A Sacrifice for Anti-Arceus [DAY 5: ends Wednesday 22nd]

Why? Because you are being so defiant in helping the town

How so? If you're saying I should not defend myself and disprove suspicions against me, that's ridiculous.

It's almost as if you're using shock-phrases to make people support you with no reasoning there, too. If I'm not helping town, explain why.