Finished Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - The Order of the Phoenix is the Winner!
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RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
xDoggerx said:
^that seems pretty good to me
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
Actually it does help, he asked why I would be afraid of dying. The spell being good is why
I thougt it was pretty obvious. Ofc it's my spell. Where else would I get it frombbninjas said:
Actually it does help, he asked why I would be afraid of dying. The spell being good is why
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
Lol I literally thought that was a made up name
BigfootAUS said:
Lol I literally thought that was a made up name
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
I honestly feel like calling a policy and scummy lynch on AtA for being unspecific and not being town-helpful.
If all of the practitioners failed, why would I want to believe it as a signature spell Luis would choose?
I honestly feel like calling a policy and scummy lynch on AtA for being unspecific and not being town-helpful.
If all of the practitioners failed, why would I want to believe it as a signature spell Luis would choose?
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
How am I being unspecific? What do you want me to claim?
bbninjas said:
How am I being unspecific? What do you want me to claim?
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
I do not necessarily want you to claim. That's an assumption.
Lets see... just posting a random spell without specifically saying what it is would count us unspecific in my books.AlexanderTheAwesome said:
I do not necessarily want you to claim. That's an assumption.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
Bigfoot, when exactly was your vote weight decreased?
I think that these accusations are absolutely ridiculous. This is a large game, and your logic is literally "Celever is in a QT and I was targeted with a role which has a negative impact on me, so Celever is scum!!"
Even if you didn't immediately say "Celever is scum" in your argument, you stated that "something is happening in the QT" which in and of itself is a stupid statement, because it either means there is a group of fairly powerful town roles in there who all claimed (which in and of itself is a flawed idea seeing as how we believe there is also a wolf or indie within the chat) or you are saying that there is another faction, and I think that judging from the OP we deduced that that is not a part of this game. So what exactly is the point of your "case" against me? That I am part of a group with dumb power roles who claim in the presence of wolves, or that there is an extremely unlikely fourth faction present in the game full of ministry workers, who would otherwise be undeniably part of the town?
When cases against me decay into nonsense I get pissed off, so sorry if this isn't my usual tone to the post, which I think it may not be. I just had to spell out the simplest things in my post, which AtA apparently didn't realise because he lynched me after Bigfoot made his entirely flawed case against me because of the entirely flawed case...
AlexanderTheAwesome said:
Bigfoot, when exactly was your vote weight decreased?
I think that these accusations are absolutely ridiculous. This is a large game, and your logic is literally "Celever is in a QT and I was targeted with a role which has a negative impact on me, so Celever is scum!!"
Even if you didn't immediately say "Celever is scum" in your argument, you stated that "something is happening in the QT" which in and of itself is a stupid statement, because it either means there is a group of fairly powerful town roles in there who all claimed (which in and of itself is a flawed idea seeing as how we believe there is also a wolf or indie within the chat) or you are saying that there is another faction, and I think that judging from the OP we deduced that that is not a part of this game. So what exactly is the point of your "case" against me? That I am part of a group with dumb power roles who claim in the presence of wolves, or that there is an extremely unlikely fourth faction present in the game full of ministry workers, who would otherwise be undeniably part of the town?
When cases against me decay into nonsense I get pissed off, so sorry if this isn't my usual tone to the post, which I think it may not be. I just had to spell out the simplest things in my post, which AtA apparently didn't realise because he lynched me after Bigfoot made his entirely flawed case against me because of the entirely flawed case...
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
Are you purposefully being dumb?
I literally replied to a post that asked why I shouldn't be lynched with a quoted spell. It was fairly obvious it was my spell or could at least could be inferred.
Tell me:
Where else would I get that spell? Keep in mind, I know 0 about HP
bbninjas said:
Are you purposefully being dumb?
I literally replied to a post that asked why I shouldn't be lynched with a quoted spell. It was fairly obvious it was my spell or could at least could be inferred.
Tell me:
Where else would I get that spell? Keep in mind, I know 0 about HP
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
You could get the spell from a fellow QT mate, whether scum or town. You could also research, like what I do whenever I get a role. Nevertheless, I believe the spell, but have not determined, or wish to determine at this very point of time, the likely alignment the spell belongs to. In fact, this conversation is probably detrimental and I do not wish to carry it on.
I gathered it was probably yours, but you where still being unspecific, and that is the problem.AlexanderTheAwesome said:
You could get the spell from a fellow QT mate, whether scum or town. You could also research, like what I do whenever I get a role. Nevertheless, I believe the spell, but have not determined, or wish to determine at this very point of time, the likely alignment the spell belongs to. In fact, this conversation is probably detrimental and I do not wish to carry it on.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
That is discouraging discussion and is scummy behavior sir
Why because I'm slowly becoming more correct???bbninjas said:
That is discouraging discussion and is scummy behavior sir
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
My logic is exactly what I stated. You fished for my role to make sure I couldn't see your QT, someone in your QT modified my vote weight, and bb is the first to jump on my vote weight and mention my QT-spying in a negative light. That, all combined, adds up to something not good.
Why is "something happening in the QT" a stupid statement? Why were you fishing for my spying ability earlier if you think nothing suspicious is going on in your QT?
The OP doesn't tell us how many factions there are, since there are multiple splinter-factions of Independents as seen by the Malfoys and the Revolutionaries existing.
And it's not all about you - your entire QT is suspect in my eyes. But if you think the shoe fits, that's fine by me.
Anyway, I'm going to celebrate snowmen and winter and get sunburnt at the hot Australian beach - it's a confusing holiday here. I'll check back in a few hours.
No idea, I never received any notification about it.Celever said:
Literally? Is that literally my logic? Or is that you rephrasing it to suit your own ends?Celever said:
My logic is exactly what I stated. You fished for my role to make sure I couldn't see your QT, someone in your QT modified my vote weight, and bb is the first to jump on my vote weight and mention my QT-spying in a negative light. That, all combined, adds up to something not good.
Why would Ministry workers undeniably be town? What makes you think that's possible when it's so clear that Death Eaters control the Ministry during the Wizarding War in the HP universe?Celever said:
Why is "something happening in the QT" a stupid statement? Why were you fishing for my spying ability earlier if you think nothing suspicious is going on in your QT?
The OP doesn't tell us how many factions there are, since there are multiple splinter-factions of Independents as seen by the Malfoys and the Revolutionaries existing.
And it's not all about you - your entire QT is suspect in my eyes. But if you think the shoe fits, that's fine by me.
Did this happen in WW23? I'm not about to go back and read it (it's Xmas morning, I want my presents and breakfast), but I don't remember you getting so pissed off when you, a townie, were suspected. (I know you were nightkilled but you were suspect for a while.) Or is this an overreaction? Because remember: I have a vote weight of 0, I can't do squat. If my argument is so flawed, you shouldn't have to overreact - just let the rest of the players discuss it.Celever said:
Anyway, I'm going to celebrate snowmen and winter and get sunburnt at the hot Australian beach - it's a confusing holiday here. I'll check back in a few hours.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
If you insist on continuing I will continue to reply, but I believe the conversation is as detrimental and useless as the argument between KoN and the others (from the start of Day 2). In case anyone forgot, the debate was who was most likely canonically the role to have the killing spell (whatever it was killed - I forgot >.>), and turned out as some not very useful information.
No, because it's detrimental.AlexanderTheAwesome said:
If you insist on continuing I will continue to reply, but I believe the conversation is as detrimental and useless as the argument between KoN and the others (from the start of Day 2). In case anyone forgot, the debate was who was most likely canonically the role to have the killing spell (whatever it was killed - I forgot >.>), and turned out as some not very useful information.
Good omen.BigfootAUS said:
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
I still want town to win in the end (and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you're scum)
Ok well since there's an hour left and I'm probably going to die I'm going to use that spell and C + P the results because you're being too stubbornbbninjas said:
I still want town to win in the end (and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you're scum)
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
Everyone was gathered in the Great Hall discussing today's Lynch. Suddenly, one of the wizards shouted a spell without being noticed:
"I wonder if anything's happening right now... Specialis Revelio!", cried the wizard. Afterwards, he knew what spells' effects were dwelling the surroundings.
Game continues.
Everyone was gathered in the Great Hall discussing today's Lynch. Suddenly, one of the wizards shouted a spell without being noticed:
"I wonder if anything's happening right now... Specialis Revelio!", cried the wizard. Afterwards, he knew what spells' effects were dwelling the surroundings.
Game continues.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
Single-use Spell: Sectumsempra
The bleeding spell, of your own creation. Once during the game at night, you may PM me a player name. You’ll slash him repeatedly with magical powers and weaken him more than you can ever imagine. That player will die at the end of the following night.
Single-use Spell: Sectumsempra
The bleeding spell, of your own creation. Once during the game at night, you may PM me a player name. You’ll slash him repeatedly with magical powers and weaken him more than you can ever imagine. That player will die at the end of the following night.
RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 2 ends December 25th, at 23:59 GMT
Wait, do we actually know if it is your's that has been decreased? If it is an ability I would definitely say you should have got some sort of notification over the ability being used on you.
I have repeated this so many times it's not even funny: I didn't realise it was a role fish at the time. It was just an instinctive thing that I would want to know. Remember: we don't know your alignment either. For all we know, you could be a scum who is able to look into all of the QTs in the game.
You said something contradictory to your original claim, so I wanted to make sure the information I had in my head about your claim was correct before saying something later on which was incorrect, as that would have been detrimental to the town should someone listen to me. It's actually really quite simple, and I think Camo got into your head about making it seem scummier than it really is.
Furthermore, it doesn't make sense given the circumstances, either. You clearly stated that if an independent is in the QT, you can see it. We don't know if there is an independent in the QT or not! All we know is that there is probably an anti-town player of some sort looking at what Luis said, but at the same time even THAT isn't a definite because, for example, what Teal did in his game regarding mason chats (making it seems like there is an anti-town player within the group whilst in reality there is not).
Also it is pure speculation and assumption that "someone in my QT changed your voteweight". I don't know anything about it, and I just ctrl+f'd your name in the QT. It was mentioned 6 times total -- once before you started question the authenticity of the chat, and the one time before that was when discussion over a possible cult was starting up. In fact, it was literally just bbninjas saying "Imagine if they recruited Bigfoot!
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Furthermore, this is bbninjas we are talking about here. He has been the first one to mention every single vote weight difference in the game thus far (as you can see by his sig for one thing) so it is only natural that he would have noticed your vote weight change before anyone else as well! I'm sorry, but you think there is a solid case here and you are phrasing it as well as you can to make it seem authentic, but it is entirely based on speculation.
These are the assumptions of your case so far:
- There is an indie in our chat (<-- Already there is a contradiction because it is the Death Eaters, aka the wolves, who have connections to the Ministry, which you also mentioned. However, then the contradiction would be that we wouldn't feel threatened because you wouldn't be able to see our chat as you can only see into chats with indies included in the userbase, which means that we wouldn't induce a negative vote on you. And this is assuming that for whatever reason the indie or wolf decided to CLAIM in the chat and were all fine with it, which just makes no sense whatsoever.)
- They felt threatened by you (<-- Like I mentioned earlier, the only applies to indies.)
- The negative vote inducer has claimed (<-- This has not happened.)
- If there is a wolf or indie, they claimed in the chat and we were just like "oh cool, we'll help you win! ^_^" (<-- We're not dumb)
- The modifier of your vote weight is a member of the QT (<-- Like I said, afaik this is not true.)
Only if all of the above assumptions are true will your theory work, and it is quite clear how unlikely that is.
The Death Eaters don't control all of the Ministry during the Wizarding War, though. We think that it is quite likely there is a Death Eater in the chat (which I have stated WAY too many times in this conversation, but you still don't seem to be getting that fact) but it is simply mandatory that the chat be predominantly town. You said that you think the whole QT is suspicious, but that would make it a wolf chat! Why would I claim being a part of the wolf chat at 1 vote? I wouldn't -- I'm not that bad a player. As such, it is clear that there must be at least mostly town players in the QT, as we also know what the indie QT paragraph is:
If there is something happening in the QT, it is predominantly townies doing it, even if the chances of a wolf being a part of the chat is somewhat likely. If you are on the town it is a stupid statement.
I answered that earlier (in this post, though). We don't know your affiliation, and we don't want a wolf spying on the town chat. It is also just useful to know that anything we say could be leaked at any time (such as if we wanted to keep the chat a secret. Clearly that is not happening now, but at the time it was an option).
Extract from the OP:
There is an independent group of players. So there's only one independent faction...
The Malfoys weren't a faction; they were chat comprised of either one or two indies, a scum and possibly a town. The Ministry, looking at flavour, is probably a group of townies and one wolf.
So you are saying it is an entirely new faction. I just showed you that this is not true. In fact, there was a discussion on this (which AGAIN I mentioned earlier) on Day 1. Pay attention next time please! n_n
No, last game I was fairly scummy. i think I got a bit pissy at time, but because I could actually see logic behind the case (even if the case was untrue) I didn't get mad over it. I have looked at every single possible way your case could work and all ways fail based on publicly known information, so the fact that AtA hopped on the wagon anyway is why I am pissed off.
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AtA, answer me this right now: Why did you jump on the wagon? How much thought did you actually put behind your vote?
And most importantly, what did you find from using your spell?
BigfootAUS said:
Wait, do we actually know if it is your's that has been decreased? If it is an ability I would definitely say you should have got some sort of notification over the ability being used on you.
Bigfoot said:
I have repeated this so many times it's not even funny: I didn't realise it was a role fish at the time. It was just an instinctive thing that I would want to know. Remember: we don't know your alignment either. For all we know, you could be a scum who is able to look into all of the QTs in the game.
You said something contradictory to your original claim, so I wanted to make sure the information I had in my head about your claim was correct before saying something later on which was incorrect, as that would have been detrimental to the town should someone listen to me. It's actually really quite simple, and I think Camo got into your head about making it seem scummier than it really is.
Furthermore, it doesn't make sense given the circumstances, either. You clearly stated that if an independent is in the QT, you can see it. We don't know if there is an independent in the QT or not! All we know is that there is probably an anti-town player of some sort looking at what Luis said, but at the same time even THAT isn't a definite because, for example, what Teal did in his game regarding mason chats (making it seems like there is an anti-town player within the group whilst in reality there is not).
Also it is pure speculation and assumption that "someone in my QT changed your voteweight". I don't know anything about it, and I just ctrl+f'd your name in the QT. It was mentioned 6 times total -- once before you started question the authenticity of the chat, and the one time before that was when discussion over a possible cult was starting up. In fact, it was literally just bbninjas saying "Imagine if they recruited Bigfoot!
"Furthermore, this is bbninjas we are talking about here. He has been the first one to mention every single vote weight difference in the game thus far (as you can see by his sig for one thing) so it is only natural that he would have noticed your vote weight change before anyone else as well! I'm sorry, but you think there is a solid case here and you are phrasing it as well as you can to make it seem authentic, but it is entirely based on speculation.
These are the assumptions of your case so far:
- There is an indie in our chat (<-- Already there is a contradiction because it is the Death Eaters, aka the wolves, who have connections to the Ministry, which you also mentioned. However, then the contradiction would be that we wouldn't feel threatened because you wouldn't be able to see our chat as you can only see into chats with indies included in the userbase, which means that we wouldn't induce a negative vote on you. And this is assuming that for whatever reason the indie or wolf decided to CLAIM in the chat and were all fine with it, which just makes no sense whatsoever.)
- They felt threatened by you (<-- Like I mentioned earlier, the only applies to indies.)
- The negative vote inducer has claimed (<-- This has not happened.)
- If there is a wolf or indie, they claimed in the chat and we were just like "oh cool, we'll help you win! ^_^" (<-- We're not dumb)
- The modifier of your vote weight is a member of the QT (<-- Like I said, afaik this is not true.)
Only if all of the above assumptions are true will your theory work, and it is quite clear how unlikely that is.
Bigfoot said:
The Death Eaters don't control all of the Ministry during the Wizarding War, though. We think that it is quite likely there is a Death Eater in the chat (which I have stated WAY too many times in this conversation, but you still don't seem to be getting that fact) but it is simply mandatory that the chat be predominantly town. You said that you think the whole QT is suspicious, but that would make it a wolf chat! Why would I claim being a part of the wolf chat at 1 vote? I wouldn't -- I'm not that bad a player. As such, it is clear that there must be at least mostly town players in the QT, as we also know what the indie QT paragraph is:
and as such this is obviously a whole different thing. It is just sheer, conclusive logic!
Bigfoot said:
If there is something happening in the QT, it is predominantly townies doing it, even if the chances of a wolf being a part of the chat is somewhat likely. If you are on the town it is a stupid statement.
I answered that earlier (in this post, though). We don't know your affiliation, and we don't want a wolf spying on the town chat. It is also just useful to know that anything we say could be leaked at any time (such as if we wanted to keep the chat a secret. Clearly that is not happening now, but at the time it was an option).
Bigfoot said:
Extract from the OP:
There is an independent group of players. So there's only one independent faction...
The Malfoys weren't a faction; they were chat comprised of either one or two indies, a scum and possibly a town. The Ministry, looking at flavour, is probably a group of townies and one wolf.
Bigfoot said:
So you are saying it is an entirely new faction. I just showed you that this is not true. In fact, there was a discussion on this (which AGAIN I mentioned earlier) on Day 1. Pay attention next time please! n_n
Bigfoot said:
No, last game I was fairly scummy. i think I got a bit pissy at time, but because I could actually see logic behind the case (even if the case was untrue) I didn't get mad over it. I have looked at every single possible way your case could work and all ways fail based on publicly known information, so the fact that AtA hopped on the wagon anyway is why I am pissed off.
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AtA, answer me this right now: Why did you jump on the wagon? How much thought did you actually put behind your vote?
And most importantly, what did you find from using your spell?
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