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Finished Werewolf XXIX: Melee - Finished!
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I get your logic Vom and if lynching Camo is what everyone agrees with them I guess that's what I'll have to do with my vote,
I just question whether or not he'll actually get lynched if he does hit majority seeings as we cannot find his body.
I agree that dos is a riskier play but I don't see a scenario where he is town when everyone else is accounted for. Therefore in my eyes the risk isn't that bad.
Vom don't get too caught up with the tier lists though, whilst your theory makes sense we have to remember that hosts do not and should not stick to a pattern. We have to assume everything they do is random.
And logically I should be all for he Camo lynch over the dos lynch because if anyone has the power to actually sway the town it's Camo, not dos. Though e just can't be sure that Camo will actually die.
And logically I should be all for he Camo lynch over the dos lynch because if anyone has the power to actually sway the town it's Camo, not dos. Though e just can't be sure that Camo will actually die.
Guys. Lynching Camo is a bad idea. I had another brain click (Yes the last one got Luis lynched...)
If Camo is town then Scum want this lynch bad. What benefit does the town get from lynching a player who cannot defend themselves. Yes that person is Camo who can easily defend himself and probably convince you that he's town (even if scum) but with such few players left we cannot assume that he's scum.
Theres still every possibility that he was in fact kidnapped, and is being Jailed by scum.
Lynching Camo is not a smart move.
Whilst its likely that there a 2 scum left and theres a mighty good chance Camo is one alongside DOS we cannot lynch a player who is unable to defend themselves. Theres still a chance he's town.
For now DOS presents as the most likely to be scum.
If Camo is town then Scum want this lynch bad. What benefit does the town get from lynching a player who cannot defend themselves. Yes that person is Camo who can easily defend himself and probably convince you that he's town (even if scum) but with such few players left we cannot assume that he's scum.
Theres still every possibility that he was in fact kidnapped, and is being Jailed by scum.
Lynching Camo is not a smart move.
Whilst its likely that there a 2 scum left and theres a mighty good chance Camo is one alongside DOS we cannot lynch a player who is unable to defend themselves. Theres still a chance he's town.
For now DOS presents as the most likely to be scum.
I get it, but I thought you didn't know if Camo would actually die?
I don't, but Its not worth the risk if he's town.
Come on guys... Little more active please!! I don't think it's worth the risk to lynch Camo when he can't defend himself. He could still be town. Lunching double o squirtle makes far more sense.
Okay so yes there is the possibility of Camo being instead kidnapped, but if you're his scumbuddy then wouldn't you say that to defend him and put more pressure on me who most of us think is scum.
You tell me, @double o squirtle,
You're the one trying to lynch the guy who can't even defend himself.
Sure he could be scum, but the fact is, It's completely unknown whether or not he's scum or town. Throughout the whole time Camo was active I read him as town for sure.
And right now it's scummy for you to be pushing the lynch of a guy who cannot defend himself. That's so scummy it's ridiculous!! @Vom I'm looking at you too here! Lunching a player who cannot contribute is foolish and if you truly are town then you clearly don't want to win this game.
I get that I may be a scum read for some, so voting me would be far more logical than voting Camo. He can't defend himself!! There is no way to be sure that we are lynching scum!!!!
@double o squirtle if you're town you should be pushing for my lynch, because apart from you id say I'm the most scummy.
But then I'm not the one who's trying to lynch the guy who's not able to participate in the game and defend himself.
##unvote: double o squirtle
##vote: double o squirtle
I hope my point has been emphasised enough here.
Lynching anyone who hasn't been able to contribute and share his thoughts is scummy and should not even be considered as a lynch option today.
You're the one trying to lynch the guy who can't even defend himself.
Sure he could be scum, but the fact is, It's completely unknown whether or not he's scum or town. Throughout the whole time Camo was active I read him as town for sure.
And right now it's scummy for you to be pushing the lynch of a guy who cannot defend himself. That's so scummy it's ridiculous!! @Vom I'm looking at you too here! Lunching a player who cannot contribute is foolish and if you truly are town then you clearly don't want to win this game.
I get that I may be a scum read for some, so voting me would be far more logical than voting Camo. He can't defend himself!! There is no way to be sure that we are lynching scum!!!!
@double o squirtle if you're town you should be pushing for my lynch, because apart from you id say I'm the most scummy.
But then I'm not the one who's trying to lynch the guy who's not able to participate in the game and defend himself.
##unvote: double o squirtle
##vote: double o squirtle
I hope my point has been emphasised enough here.
Lynching anyone who hasn't been able to contribute and share his thoughts is scummy and should not even be considered as a lynch option today.
Okay then, @Squirtle Squad
I believe that you are scum as what I've said before and yes while Camo was able to participate I started to read him as town, but he has been what we think is jailed and is no longer able to communicate in this thread. That said I realised something a while ago and that is, although DK has previous experience of capturing Mario's girlfriend it doesn't have any relation to melee and when he was first jailed I could only think of two characters that would have this ability, Kirby (which has been proven wrong) and Yoshi due to their attacks in melee that involve eating and then short term trapping. Also I didn't start to scum read him until the idea of DK being jailer was mentioned
by you SS
So for now
##Unvote
I'll leave my vote for later.
I believe that you are scum as what I've said before and yes while Camo was able to participate I started to read him as town, but he has been what we think is jailed and is no longer able to communicate in this thread. That said I realised something a while ago and that is, although DK has previous experience of capturing Mario's girlfriend it doesn't have any relation to melee and when he was first jailed I could only think of two characters that would have this ability, Kirby (which has been proven wrong) and Yoshi due to their attacks in melee that involve eating and then short term trapping. Also I didn't start to scum read him until the idea of DK being jailer was mentioned
by you SS
Now I don't see why Camo would do this as if he was scum my guess would be that he would instead try to persuade us into lynching town instead of "kidnapping" himself. Also you keep changing your opinion from one to another this may be you playing badly or just trying to be confusing.
SS, as your previous post states you read him as town when he was active making my post against you seem even more true to me because then that would be one of your "bad calls" against a town member making me even more suspicious of you then I already am.
So for now
##Unvote
I'll leave my vote for later.
This is exactly what scum would use as excuse. Not mentioning anything else on this because this post was started 2 hours ago, reasons below.
Alright guys I've read through the whole thread (yes the WHOLE FREAKING THING) and this is what I've found out so far (all of these are my opinions, all subject to change
):- @Squirtle Squad is town. He was leaning towards scum, but after giving the whole thing a read I'm almost 100% sure he's town. The fact that he was p much the only person Camo talked to (after D1 but before his disappearance) doesn't help, nor does this post. He said he'd look into me in the night, but when he claimed he claimed vanilla. However from his general attitude, reads, etc. I'd say he's town.
- @Reinforce seems a lot like town to me. I accidentally assumed he had been lynched/killed when I read the thread, but this actually helped me settle my opinion on him. His top scum reads towards D2-3-4 all ended up being scum (except for dos, who's still among us) and assuming he was town also helped me see more through his eyes. I'm positive he's town, almost at the same level as SS.
- @Camoclone also seems like town from what we saw of him. Overall helpful (stop the hating on his style, it does work) and voted for Yeowie before his slip (though any decently experienced WW player would have, and he's obvs more than that.) If you want more thoughts on Camo, feel free to ask for details or see for yourselves.
- @double o squirtle is on the edge. Yeowie made a case for him here, but never reposted anything related to him. Didn't post much early and mid game (though tbf I didn't myself) but the few posts he made were confusing for some and didn't really help. In a 6-man scum team, he's scum.
- @Jabberwock. Ah, this guy. Literally no contribution whatsoever. Basically echoed Camo and other players when he needed to avoid the modkill, never placed a vote on GM DracLord even after his slip, didn't vote at all on D2, didn't vote for Yeowie even after his slip, didn't vote for Ice Espeon here either, nor did he give any thoughts/place any votes on Luis. 14 posts total, none with any thoughts whatsoever. Early in the day he asked for results and for the wording of Fire Breath, but in my eyes he was faking. @Jabberwock you're scum unless you can prove otherwise. Anything to say of your own? Or, really, to say?
To find out, make sure you watch the next episode, daily only on PokéBeach!
P.S: Only thing keeping me from voting you @Jabberwock is the low amount of players and the speed at which things can escalate.
I really hate attributing anything to this being my first game, but, well, this is my first game. I understand now why not posting makes me look scummy, but there's not much I can do about that now.
GM Draclord and Yeowie's lynches both happened very quickly. I was indecisive at first over Drac, I admit that. I was part of a mason; couldn't he have been as well? But by the time I had made up my mind, Drac was lynched. As for Yeowie, as I recall, he was lynched in 17 hours. Other stuff kept me away from a computer between Yeowie's slip and his lynch.
Ice Espeon I put down my thoughts for, but as I noted there, I wasn't sure about voting. The reasoning behind Yeowie role copping a safe claim at the time didn't make any sense to me; and unfortunately I have to play the 'it's my first game' card again. I understand now what that was all about, and had I understood it then, I would have voted IE immediately.
As for Luis, he had made clear he was going to leave the game anyway. Obviously I'd rather have lynched a scum and then had Luis leave the following day, but my only other scum read at the time was dos, who I was intending to target with Bolero of Fire that night to determine his allegiance (and ended up miscalculating). At this point I'm convinced one of the Squirtles is scum (and leaning toward dos, for reasons explained below), and Camo's also scum (but lynching him may or may not do anything - leaning toward not if he's not bothering to defend himself). Reinforce too if it's 6 scum.
As for my asking after the results of Fire Breath, I wanted to see how dos would respond, and ideally bait a slip. Everything seems to check out, but now I'm really bothered by his last post. In a nutshell:
##VOTE: double o squirtle
GM Draclord and Yeowie's lynches both happened very quickly. I was indecisive at first over Drac, I admit that. I was part of a mason; couldn't he have been as well? But by the time I had made up my mind, Drac was lynched. As for Yeowie, as I recall, he was lynched in 17 hours. Other stuff kept me away from a computer between Yeowie's slip and his lynch.
Ice Espeon I put down my thoughts for, but as I noted there, I wasn't sure about voting. The reasoning behind Yeowie role copping a safe claim at the time didn't make any sense to me; and unfortunately I have to play the 'it's my first game' card again. I understand now what that was all about, and had I understood it then, I would have voted IE immediately.
As for Luis, he had made clear he was going to leave the game anyway. Obviously I'd rather have lynched a scum and then had Luis leave the following day, but my only other scum read at the time was dos, who I was intending to target with Bolero of Fire that night to determine his allegiance (and ended up miscalculating). At this point I'm convinced one of the Squirtles is scum (and leaning toward dos, for reasons explained below), and Camo's also scum (but lynching him may or may not do anything - leaning toward not if he's not bothering to defend himself). Reinforce too if it's 6 scum.
As for my asking after the results of Fire Breath, I wanted to see how dos would respond, and ideally bait a slip. Everything seems to check out, but now I'm really bothered by his last post. In a nutshell:
I don't like the contradiction here. I'd like to hear a case, @double o squirtle , but for now:
##VOTE: double o squirtle
Look, I appreciate you posting and all, sorry if I sound too harsh. It's just that we really need to figure this out.
What are your thoughts on everyone? Mention all your reasoning to think they're scum/town, and don't be afraid to include gut feelings. You'd be surprised how often the gut is. (Varies by person)
On the contrary, you can make up for it.
He /could/, but usually there's only one mason group+scum chat.
Fair enough.
Mind saying why?
I knew what you were trying to do (that being the same reason I had dos claim twice) and here again I just wanted to see your answer and get everyone else's thoughts.
What are your thoughts on everyone? Mention all your reasoning to think they're scum/town, and don't be afraid to include gut feelings. You'd be surprised how often the gut is. (Varies by person
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@Vom - It's been said before that Bowser's role PM basically confirmed Peach as town. You're also trying a bit too hard to flush out the scum to be scum yourself, I think I'm definitely saying town.
@Squirtle Squad - If you're not town, you're a really good actor. Although, if double o squirtle's not scum, I'd say you are.
@double o squirtle - The slip I mentioned in my last post, plus it's either you or SS IMO; you're really at each other's throats here. I'm leaning toward SS being town, which is to say I'm leaning toward you being scum.
@Reinforce - Subbed in for EM, who I felt was acting very scummy in nearly every post (and vehemently denying it at the same time in every post), but I don't think this is enough to warrant a lynch...yet. If there are 6 scum, you're one of them. If not...
@Camoclone - I think by this point it's pretty obvious Camo's jailing himself, and he's not un-jailing himself to explain anything about his actions, which looks rather scummy to me. Since he's not coming forward, it means there's something about his role that makes him at least partially safe from votes. Or he's bluffing it. Wouldn't put it past him. I think it's worth voting Camo after dos, but not worth the risk of him being bulletproof.
Hopefully that all makes sense.
@Squirtle Squad - If you're not town, you're a really good actor. Although, if double o squirtle's not scum, I'd say you are.
@double o squirtle - The slip I mentioned in my last post, plus it's either you or SS IMO; you're really at each other's throats here.
I'm leaning toward SS being town, which is to say I'm leaning toward you being scum.@Reinforce - Subbed in for EM, who I felt was acting very scummy in nearly every post (and vehemently denying it at the same time in every post), but I don't think this is enough to warrant a lynch...yet. If there are 6 scum, you're one of them. If not...
@Camoclone - I think by this point it's pretty obvious Camo's jailing himself, and he's not un-jailing himself to explain anything about his actions, which looks rather scummy to me. Since he's not coming forward, it means there's something about his role that makes him at least partially safe from votes. Or he's bluffing it. Wouldn't put it past him. I think it's worth voting Camo after dos, but not worth the risk of him being bulletproof.
Hopefully that all makes sense.
@Vom the only reason I said that was so scum would think I had some investigative ability and night kill me.
I've been trying to die this whole game.
@Jabberwock reads strong new town.
I'm still waiting for the list of abilities that you have access to btw. But yes he's town no doubt.
I've been trying to die this whole game.
@Jabberwock reads strong new town.
I'm still waiting for the list of abilities that you have access to btw. But yes he's town no doubt.
Hmmmm yeah Jabber is not too different from me when I was new town.
@double o squirtle I see you there.
@double o squirtle I see you there.
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