Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[King Xerneas]

After SS's lynch it got me thinking about Camo's role in the entire thing. Like bb said in his super post Camo pretty much started it and basically looked past other big scum candidates like morda and TGK. This intense pursuit and others jumping on his bandwagon really make me think that he is scum getting us to rid our own, especially since he is a well known WW player and is well versed in how the game works, he could easily convince others to mislynch simply through strong persuasion. I could totally see Camo being scum at this point.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Hi, if I was the announcer do you think I would have said something as non snarky and boring as "I'm here to help", no, I would have said something more like "I'm more perfect than all of you, now follow my orders" also I know of a third confo non scum member via an item, I am not sure how to reveal who they are without sounding scumy. Also as far as I remember they have not posted much D1. And lastly I'm on board for lynching tgk for not only does he "conviently" switch the subject to basically everything that's not him when he's suspected. And for further evidence WE MUST STOP THE PICHUAPOCALYPSE!

 

[Empoleon_master]

After SS's lynch it got me thinking about Camo's role in the entire thing. Like bb said in his super post Camo pretty much started it and basically looked past other big scum candidates like morda and TGK. This intense pursuit and others jumping on his bandwagon really make me think that he is scum getting us to rid our own, especially since he is a well known WW player and is well versed in how the game works, he could easily convince others to mislynch simply through strong persuasion. I could totally see Camo being scum at this point.

I am totally on board for gettingrid of camo, as I suspected him at the end of day 1 as well. I say we vote on two to three players to kill, one to lynch, the other to attack via weapons. I definately suspect camo, but instead of lynching him while he's on vacation I say we attack kill him via 2-3 players attacking him. Anyone else on board with attacking players for a second town approved and voted on killing?

 

[Professor Palutena]

So first we lose the best waifu (excluding Lucina but she's the bae; Cordelia is the waifu).

and now we lose Henry... At least he would've wanted to go out the way.

Thinking the voice is likely Emmeryn @Jabberwock . Failing that, I'm thinking Sumia. Alternatively, we could be looking at Tiki or even Naga. Naga has a role in the story but so does Chrom and EM is supposedly Chrom. It doesn't really matter though.

TGK was my second scum read yesterday and I'm so far given no reason to not vote for him. Leaning town on The Healer and King Xerneas for not jumping on the SS wagon late in the day yesterday; if they were scum, I think they would've jumped at the opportunity given how the events with his claim transpired.

 

[bbninjas]

TGK is scummy but I haven't noticed anything unusual yet.

Actually, no, I'm not buying this. TGK was scum in Revelation and Future in Statis, and hosted the SSBs themed game. This means that TGK has only been town in a single game - in ORAS. Furthermore, this means that ORAS is the only game that TGK's town meta play can be seen in, assuming that it has not changed over the months.

So, what actually happened in ORAS? Can it be used to determine TGK's town play? Let's see. The game began with TGK being excited and quite jumpy, ready to comment a lot, eager to hunt and a bit triggerhappy. He did bandwagon a lot. Unfortunately for him, he jumped on IE, a very scummy wagon, which quickly got picked up by Celever and led to him being pushed into the firing range for said bandwagoning. A page or so later, he posted a claim that effectively soft-cleared him. Naturally, pressure went off him very quickly.

At first, that doesn't seem like much of an issue. However, bear with me. Camo is effectively saying in that quote above that although TGK is scummy, he is not doing anything outside his town meta. The issue is that the defense/reason Camo has provided for not voting for TGK is false. Let me compile a list of the odd things that TGK is doing:

- Appeal to Emotion (especially complaining)
- Tunneling
- Ignoring accusations on him
- Hypocritical

Although scummy, I can see TGK bandwagoning, thinking votes through and being triggerhappy, which is consistent to his play in ORAS. What I want to know is why Camoclone did not "notice" these unusual things, even after multiple people pointing them out. Why he is defending his choice of not considering TGK with the reason of "nothing is unusual", when quite clearly there is oddities. Why would town Camo, someone with significant influence in PB WW, have posted false defense like this?? Since Camo has mod approved absence at present, I am going to put my increasingly confident vote on TGK unless someone can point out flaws to what I've noticed and then I'll reconsider.

##LIEHAMMER: TGK

 

[GM DracLord]

What to you mean by questionable action?

 

[bbninjas]

Doing/saying questionable things.

 

[thegrovylekid]

Actually, no, I'm not buying this. TGK was scum in Revelation and Future in Statis, and hosted the SSBs themed game. This means that TGK has only been town in a single game - in ORAS. Furthermore, this means that ORAS is the only game that TGK's town meta play can be seen in, assuming that it has not changed over the months.

So, what actually happened in ORAS? Can it be used to determine TGK's town play? Let's see. The game began with TGK being excited and quite jumpy, ready to comment a lot, eager to hunt and a bit triggerhappy. He did bandwagon a lot. Unfortunately for him, he jumped on IE, a very scummy wagon, which quickly got picked up by Celever and led to him being pushed into the firing range for said bandwagoning. A page or so later, he posted a claim that effectively soft-cleared him. Naturally, pressure went off him very quickly.

At first, that doesn't seem like much of an issue. However, bear with me. Camo is effectively saying in that quote above that although TGK is scummy, he is not doing anything outside his town meta. The issue is that the defense/reason Camo has provided for not voting for TGK is false. Let me compile a list of the odd things that TGK is doing:

- Appeal to Emotion (especially complaining)
- Tunneling
- Ignoring accusations on him
- Hypocritical

Although scummy, I can see TGK bandwagoning, thinking votes through and being triggerhappy, which is consistent to his play in ORAS. What I want to know is why Camoclone did not "notice" these unusual things, even after multiple people pointing them out. Why he is defending his choice of not considering TGK with the reason of "nothing is unusual", when quite clearly there is oddities. Why would town Camo, someone with significant influence in PokéBeach WW, have posted false defense like this?? Since Camo has mod approved absence at present, I am going to put my increasingly confident vote on TGK unless someone can point out flaws to what I've noticed and then I'll reconsider.

##LIEHAMMER: TGK

This sounds more like a case on Camo using me with a vote for me tossed in than a case on me using Camo. Care to explain?

Have to sleep now, but take note that this is the first game in which I played Consistently to ORAS in which Camo is also in this game.

 

[bbninjas]

This sounds more like a case on Camo using me with a vote for me tossed in than a case on me using Camo. Care to explain?

It means you are likely scumpartners. Camo is likely scum defending you. If you were town and he scum (or town/town or scum/town), he would be considering you as an option as well as SS, not pushing you to the side.

Have to sleep now, but take note that this is the first game in which I played Consistently to ORAS in which Camo is also in this game.

Camo was cohosting that game, which arguably means he'll notice more (I know he pointed out multiple things to me about the player's actions, so he definitely was watching the game closely.)

 

[King Xerneas]

It means you are likely scumpartners. Camo is likely scum defending you. If you were town and he scum (or town/town or scum/town), he would be considering you as an option as well as SS, not pushing you to the side.

If they weren't scumbuddies Camo would've gone into TGK 110%, basically SS part 2, but most likely, like some of us, would've dropped the allegations on SS once he dropped he was Cordelia, and started looking into TGK.

 

[bbninjas]

I'm not 100% certain he would've gone into TGK if they were not scumbuddies because Camo is a bit unpredictable on who he focus on, although I would say neglecting an entire other lead with a decent wagon is a bit of long shot for me to see if Camo is town. >.>;

 

[Athena]

I'm 99% sure the angelic voice is Tiki. Why? The quote for the announcers text says it was said by "The Voice" which is the name given to Tiki by her worshipers in Valm. Tiki is literally "The Voice" as in, the voice of Naga.

Say'ri: Since ancient times, many of our people have worshipped Naga. More precisely, we worship the divine dragon's oracle, Lady Tiki. Though most know her only as the Voice. The Voice is trapped in her temple as Walhart's prisoner. But if she were freed...

So, yeah. The 1% of doubt is mostly if the hosts used that name as a red herring.

 

[Scattered mind]

I really want to say the voice is either EM or morda, but Chrom being the PoV in the prologue makes me think he's not the announcer. No idea what an angelic voice would mean, though. @Athena, any idea which FE character the voice would be?

I gotta tell you- I don't know anything about FE so all these posts mean nothing to me.. However, I do know that the identity of the announcer is something we really don't need to focus on right now unless we have a reason, which I can't think about any right now. Your previous bandwagon is still stuck in my head and now this post makes me think that you plan to post one thing early in each day and then disappear.

I'm pretty sure Celever is scum.

Yeah I am thinkning about it too, mainly because of how he agrees with Camo which is unusual and the lack of scumhunting. Celever's usually search and analyze people's posts and try to bring new cases even if there is a big one. Throughout D1 I only saw Celever slightly pushing for the SS lynch.
Anyway- Why do you think he's scum?

I'm thinking either Vracken, GM Drac, sm maybe, Cypher maybe or Morda for announcer as they were less active in the past days/been told they weren't contributing on multiple occasions. Also, I can see them using lack of grammar (Hi over Hi,) and a smiley over most of the other players.

Not me. Again, why do we need to find the announcer ? How's that helping ? Just curious.

Considering that Cypher hasn't been online since Monday, I doubt it's him. The others are fair guesses.

But I don't think there's not much use in speculating the announcer's identity for now, because even if we do figure out who it is, it's not like we'll have an idea of their alignment. It'll just be a pointless role fish.

That's what I was thinking.

 

[Celever]

@Celever - Did you get a second seal last night?

Nope.

I'm pretty sure Celever is scum.

@Celever - Neutral. Unsure at this point.

These two posts by bb were made within 20 posts of each other, and no one else shared thoughts on me in that time (this is the start of D2). Sounds like someone in his scumchat told him to relieve pressure, huh?

@bbninjas, what made you quickly have that change of heart?

I honestly don't think we can gleam much from the SS lynch. It's exactly the same as every D1 lynch. Either Camo or I pressure someone over nothing (in fact, Camo noticed something which is a better lead than most D1s to start off with) and then the person getting pressured panics. There was an influx of votes on SS, moreso than normal, but this isn't scummy in and of itself.

The issue with SS' wagon is that he defended himself too poorly for us to be able to get anything out of it. He provided objective and incriminating evidence against himself (stating that his role had a connection with Chrom's role and then that not being the case). This was convincing enough for even bb to jump on him over, who is generally quite a conservative voter. As such, those who were on SS's wagon weren't scummy, because they were attacking the equivalent of confoscum due to the incriminating evidence he provided for us.

Yeah I am thinkning about it too, mainly because of how he agrees with Camo which is unusual and the lack of scumhunting. Celever's usually search and analyze people's posts and try to bring new cases even if there is a big one. Throughout D1 I only saw Celever slightly pushing for the SS lynch.

Me and Camo agreed on the optimal lynch for D1, so what reason would there be to argue? Camo didn't attack me, and I didn't attack him, and this meant that we were actually productive in finding cases against other people. We found someone who defied all logic by flipping town, so I think there was nothing wrong with either of our play yesterday.

 

[Scattered mind]

We then have Celever jumping on the SS wagon, with reasons that I also picked up. I think this vote is legitimate for that reason. I do think he has also been relatively quiet on the TGK lynch, which just like Camo, does not sit well with me. I'd say he's been more correcting logic over scumhunting, but the scumhunting is definitely still there.

@Celever - Neutral. Unsure at this point.

Wait.. What made you change your mind?

 

[Celever]

Wait.. What made you change your mind?

Repeating what I said in my post above his... but it seems genuine, so I'm writing it off as an honest mistake.

 

[bbninjas]

These two posts by bb were made within 20 posts of each other, and no one else shared thoughts on me in that time (this is the start of D2). Sounds like someone in his scumchat told him to relieve pressure, huh?

Ooooor I was gauging reactions. From you mainly. (Also you did notice that SM mentioned thoughts up there ^ on you right?)

@bbninjas, what made you quickly have that change of heart?

Nothing!

Though surely Celever is scum. :v

 

[Scattered mind]

Repeating what I said in my post above his... but it seems genuine, so I'm writing it off as an honest mistake.

Yeah I got ninjad.

 

[bbninjas]

Not me. Again, why do we need to find the announcer ? How's that helping ? Just curious.

It probably doesn't help. If you're asking why I commented, it's because I'm like "whelp, wynaut" seeing it was a point of interest then.

 

[bbninjas]

Yeah I got ninjad.

Wait how did you get ninja'd if the posts were a whole 10 minutes apart?