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Day 2

As the sun rose, so did the castle's occupants. Or...most of them, as they would soon realize upon gathering in the hall again.

Before Chrom gave his morning speech, someone noticed there was something missing in the conversations going on. Someone's...humor. They immediately took it upon themselves to find out what was wrong, but when they discovered @double o squirtle 's body torn apart...they regretted their choice.

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You are Henry. A Plegian dark mage with a fetish for bloodshed and an indelible grin. While disarmingly optimistic, you show a gruesome lack of mercy while on the battlefield. The one with the lowest heart rate.

Ability: A Hex of a Lot Stronger! (Get It?)
You were a Plegian Dark Mage before joining the Shepherds, and thus you know all the secrets of black magic. Once a game during the day, you may PM me a player name. You will test your curses on them for the rest of the day, preventing them from performing any actions, including posting. However, these are long tests you make, and as such will take all night too. This player you're testing your curses on will not be able to be killed or targeted during that night, and at the start of the day you will completely heal them. After all, you had your fun, and you’re not all that mean.

Class: Thief

Skill: Locktouch
  • Once per Day, you may PM me to use this Skill. Target a player. You will steal their chest in the upcoming Night.
  • Once per Night, you may PM me to use this Skill. Target a player. You will randomly swap an Item with them.
Skill: Movement +1
All non-lethal skills/abilities that target you will have a 50% chance of missing.

Current Health: 70/70

Re-Classing:
  • Master Seal (2) - Assassin
  • Second Seal (2) - Barbarian, Dark Mage
Win Condition: Eliminate all non town-aligned players.

When they finally recognized who they were looking at, they ran back to the hall immediately to share their findings. However, upon doing so, almost no one seemed shocked, but everyone was clearly saddened.

Deciding again this was no time for a speech, Chrom proposed the discussion started right away. However, just before everyone started talking, an otherwordly, pure-sounding, almost angelical voice was heard:
The Voice said:
Hi I'm here to help! :)

As the sound of these encouraging (?) words started to fade, the discussion started again.

Day 2 has begun! It will end on Wednesday, February 17th at 10:00 p.m EST (or approximately the time of this post in your own timezone).

There are 19 players, so for the Day to end with a majority lynch, it would take 10 votes, unless there are any modifiers.
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  • Any Items or Staves that have Day usage may be used, so long as any other required criteria is fulfilled, if any.
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Aaaalso, @Camoclone is on a host-approved leave, so he won't be around until Monday.

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I really want to say the voice is either EM or morda, but Chrom being the PoV in the prologue makes me think he's not the announcer. No idea what an angelic voice would mean, though. @Athena, any idea which FE character the voice would be?
 
I really want to say the voice is either EM or morda, but Chrom being the PoV in the prologue makes me think he's not the announcer. No idea what an angelic voice would mean, though. @Athena, any idea which FE character the voice would be?
In the Awakening world possibly either Naga or Tiki since Naga is basically their God and Tiki is highly revered and also worshipped. Maybe even Emmeryn since it's "otherworldly" and she's more or less "dead".
 
Figures. Anyways,

##YEEHAW: Mordacazir

Morda posted semi-frequently, but didn't do much but bandwagon. Here's some quotes I don't like from him, along with one from SS that I think sums it up rather well.

Why aren't you answering? @Empoleon_master Ps: Hello guys
Here he echoes Celever.
##vote: Empoleon_master
Here's a bandwagon.
What?
For now i unvote
##unvote: Empoleon_master
Here's a Backpedal.
Why does he look less scummy now compared to when you voted for him?

Because of this
While it didn't quote over, Morda implied bandwagonning off of the post he made where KX thought Celever would be scum.
You're right
##VOTE: squirtle squad
Bandwagon.
This is a yes
Admitting to Bandwagon.

One thing: your both acting VERY scummy:
TGK: He comes only to give reasons to get away for some time. But I think there are not farther more reasons against him, unless you count the joking vote on Vom.
SS: Slightly more scummy (just my opinion), acting scummy from the beginning, and why don't you post your full role?
Role Fish.

SS sums this up way better though in one sentence:
  • mordacazir: Scum, Really no posts made and those he has have been tiny 1 sentence posts with nothin in them.

So for those reasons I think Mordacazir is a good vote for today.

I really want to say the voice is either EM or morda, but Chrom being the PoV in the prologue makes me think he's not the announcer. No idea what an angelic voice would mean, though. @Athena, any idea which FE character the voice would be?
I'm not Athena, but my best guess would be Tiki, since she's a dragon-priestess and has a connection to Naga, who has a rather angelic voice. We know it isn't Luis because he hasn't quit yet.
 
If SS hadn't been lynched yesterday, I'd say the announcer is him. It strikes me as either him or e_m.

Anyways, I'll read that cases on Morda and TGK and come back tomorrow, I hope. :p
 
I'm thinking either Vracken, GM Drac, sm maybe, Cypher maybe or Morda for announcer as they were less active in the past days/been told they weren't contributing on multiple occasions. Also, I can see them using lack of grammar (Hi over Hi,) and a smiley over most of the other players.
 
I'm thinking either Vracken, GM Drac, sm maybe, Cypher maybe or Morda for announcer as they were less active in the past days/been told they weren't contributing on multiple occasions. Also, I can see them using lack of grammar (Hi over Hi,) and a smiley over most of the other players.

Considering that Cypher hasn't been online since Monday, I doubt it's him. The others are fair guesses.

But I don't think there's not much use in speculating the announcer's identity for now, because even if we do figure out who it is, it's not like we'll have an idea of their alignment. It'll just be a pointless role fish.

tgk is still suspect from yesterday, but he does bring up fair points about morda, although morda could still be going through the newbie motions, thus the bandwagoning and short posts. I'll have to see and check his posts and defense today.
 
Here comes the order of events with commentary by bbninjas! =D


RVS vote. Expected.


RVS vote because you voted me. Yes, OMGUS, but OMGUS in RVS is not a tell.


Is apparently joking around about my OMGUS.
These two don't matter because RVS.

Basically goes for the safe option of voting Vom (which gives no information whatsoever), but that's not actually a tell.
You said it yourself here.

This is where the scummy stuff starts. First off, gets defensive over a vote with very poor reasoning. And it also sounds like he thought this RVS vote through a bit more than a townie would, thinking about it now.


And is pointing fingers at me. >.>
Has my reasoning ever been good? :p I can only call things as I see them, which is admittedly very skewed.

This is sorta funny now that TGK seems to be going on aggressive against SS. Probably means nothing though.
Yeah, it's funny, I think.

This is where things get questionable. TGK goes on about shifting pressure, which is hypocritical since TGK is shifting "pressure" in this very post. And that his pressure was really petty, so I'm not sure how it came to this conclusion in the first place.
Being lynched D1 last game for the same thing that put my head on the chopping block in Ωmega/Alpha was pretty hard. It pretty much put me in a "oh god don't get yourself lynched for the same thing twice in a row" mentality, so I was determined to actually get to play an actual game. In retrospect, I probably should have just remained calm. >_> Lesson learned. Meet Calm, level-headed TGK, here to help us scumhunt!

I can't tell if TGK is saying that his vote on me is really serious or not.
It wasn't. Panic mode TGK doesn't think things through, which is how I'm in this situation.
_____
So, there. That's why my suspicions of TGK are coming from. Things like the following don't help his case:


Bandwagon.
I can only call it as I see it. It just happened to be completely wrong.

This is completely false. Not sure if this is manipulative scum or tunneling townie.
The biggest reason I was hard tunnelling SS was because I was in complete survival mode after being lynched day 1 last game. I've been a prime lynch target D1 every game I've played since revalation, but getting Lynched was awful. I was so determined to not be lynched day 1 that I ended up defying all logic to try and get myself to Day 2 so I could actually play the game.

Sounds a bit AtE.
Was a joke, but in retrospect, I joked around way too much.
_____
If people want me to post my thoughts on SS in this way, just let me know (in thread, o/c).

So yeah. I played awfully last Day 1 as a result of playing awfully last-last D1, and I fully intend to make up for it today. I'm not telling you guys to not lynch me, and I'm certainly expecting you all to try.

Also, I'll have to go to sleep in a few hours, so after that don't expect any replies from me for a while.

@Celever - Did you get a second seal last night?
 
Also, a comment on the kill before my big analysis post. It seems a smart kill as it provides little information in regards to scum voting patterns/buddying to town. He also hadn't voted for either SS or TGK by the end of the day, so there is very little info revealed in the voting department. In general, he hasn't really made major contributions to take from a town perspective.
 
##unglare: TGK

I'm gonna wait a little more before I start putting in my votes, but Celever defending TGK feels suspicious to me. Also for the same reasoning as others, morda not really providing their own judgment is just reeking of suspiciousness.
 
Okay, time to look at that vote count. Considering how biased the SS train ended up being particularly before the role claim, I think there could be a decent amount of information from the past day. Obviously TGK being lynched would give us a ton more information, if he flips scum, due to the general push on SS over TGK and the general players who participated in the push. But meanwhile, I'm going to look through these votes, so if you're interested, read the spoilered. tl;dr w/reads at the bottom.

The first person to set off the SS train was predictably Camoclone. I feel like his original vote was a legit Camo-pressure vote, and then continued along his atypical "X is scum go lynch now" strategy on SS. He then called out those that placed votes for no apparent reason. SS then started saying some questionable stuff, which would probably be where his true vote came from. However, after that things become a bit odd for me. TGK became an apparent option, however Camo consistently neglected (?) the option and instead pushed the SS lynch. He was very quiet on the TGK lynch in general, and his only comment was really just a defense. This does not sit well with me. There was also a few posts that I recall being slightly manipulative, if I am not reading too much into them. However, I think everything else Camo has done has been relatively pro-town or consistent with town Camo.

We then have Celever jumping on the SS wagon, with reasons that I also picked up. I think this vote is legitimate for that reason. I do think he has also been relatively quiet on the TGK lynch, which just like Camo, does not sit well with me. I'd say he's been more correcting logic over scumhunting, but the scumhunting is definitely still there.

We then have the mordacazir vote. This is a very odd vote in my opinion, as apparently he was just sheeping/looking up to Camo, but he still keeps the vote on. This suggests Camo/Morda scumbuddying to me, if morda flips scum. However, morda confessing (by extent) that his vote was a sheep isn't what I would've thought he'd do if he was scum. Otherwise, many of his posts and votes are a bit bandwagony, however I wouldn't say he lacked complete thought. His unvote of Empoleon_master seemed to be at least slightly thought through - I'd say his reason is legitimate. I would consider this neutral, as both town and scum would do this.

Next, the vote by TGK. It also seems odd and feels bandwagony. Furthermore, I feel like the reasoning he added to this vote is off and not legitimate, more looking like a scum player trying to not be caught out for bandwagon. I've already talked enough about TGK in the past day, so I'll just leave my analysis of him here.

The vote by Jabberwock at least came after the scummy stuff from SS. However, he never gave any reasoning, and it looks like he was tossing up between other options, so it is likely that the vote is simply a "whelp one of my scumreads is getting lynch momentum, may as well join". This makes me think townier, however it could still be scummy.

The PP vote seems legit. He gave the decent reasoning of AtE, which at the time did not seem very townie action of SS and instead manipulative. I think in general PP has been assertive and applied some pressure to lynches other than the SS lynch (i.e. the TGK lynch), so townie points there.

The Vracken vote feels very lazy. Not really a contribution, and mostly hunch or bandwagon according to his reasoning posted on prompt. Not sure what to think here just yet.

Then you have my swap of a vote, which was because of the apparent lie that Camo or Celever pointed out. I personally think that's legitimate evidence. :U

The Xerneas vote, although technically for similar reasons to mine, feels odd. Not voting someone even after they lie (or misword terribly) and continuing to support SS with his lack of vote on him is definitely strange. It is possible that Xerneas is scum looking at maximising town credit for defending town.

Squirtle then voted himself, which is a bit annoying as we could've got a bit more information on whoever would have chosen to vote SS to reach the 12 votes mark.

I agree with what Celever and Camo said about Luis' vote being a pro-town hammer, as at that stage, SS was definitely going to end up getting lynched.

That then leads to the TGK wagon votes. You've got me sorta being the main pusher on that lynch, so take that info as you wish.

Squirtle, like me, ends up RVSing TGK, but then leaves his vote on TGK presumably due to the points I made as well as self preservation. Obviously because he's flipped town his actions can be looked in townie light.

scattered mind made a vote here and was probably the first to point out major suspicions on TGK, so I'd give townie points for scumhunting on their part. Nothing about their vote does not seem legit, so townie points all round.

Simsands later on makes their vote on TGK. I feel like the vote is honest unlike some others that seem to be forging false suspicions, and the vote *sounds* like it has been thought through a bit. I think simsands later shifted their reads to put SS as top candidate, however due to the risk of a hammer, I'd say they didn't change their vote.

Now onto the other votes. Reinforce and Athena both looks like neutral RVS votes. IE's vote also seems strange, but as he's soft-cleared town at present, I'd put it down to RVS too. The vote by GM Drac does not sit well with me at all, as the reasoning he gave has absolutely no merit, however it was made around RVS season.

Double o's vote feels like him attempting at scumhunting and comes across as legit to me. However, he seemingly fell quiet soon after his vote and around the periods when the two lynch options gained light, so definitely someone to watch.

Players that don't vote never really sit well with me because they give veeeery little information. I'm looking at The Healer's and Cypher's votes in particular. In the former's case, it looks like they sat back and commented without being ultimately influential with their vote, however this could just be a product of uncertainty. Cypher didn't really do much, contribution or otherwise, which makes the lack of a vote somewhat worse.

Reads:

@Ice Espeon - Town bc claim
@Celever - Neutral. Unsure at this point.
@thegrovylekid - Top scum read. See my posts in the previous day.
@Athena - Neutral sliiiiight scum. Barely has participated aside from commenting on flavour and Camo getting lynched.
@Professor Palutena - Townie. Scumhunting, assertive and overall logical and contributes.
@Empoleon_master - Town bc claim.
@Jabberwock - Slight town. See vote analysis.
@Camoclone - Slight scum. Seems to be making odd choices and lack of commentary on some aspects does not sit well with me.
@Vracken - Neutral. Unsure what to think about recent actions.
@King Xerneas - Neutral. Dependent on what TGK flips. Many earlier posts are contentless while negligence on voting SS is odd.
@Luispipe8 - Townier. Seems to be contributing + pro-town hammer.
@bbninjas - me <3
@scattered mind - Townier. Seems to be scumhunting and hasn't really been doing questionable things.
@Reinforce - Neutral sliiiiiiight town only because logical.
@mordacazir - Second scum read. Been jumping around a lot, bandwagoning and making questionable plays. Possibly just morda trying to get ahold of how he plays but unlikely.
@simsands - Neutral. Seems to be honest, but not particularly townie.
@GM DracLord - Slight scum. Lacking contribution + questionable actions.
@Cypher333 - Inactive and therefore neutral.
@The Healer - Neutral. Unsure what to think at this stage.
 
These two don't matter because RVS.

You said it yourself here.
Never said these were scummy things (except within in the same 24hrs to get a reaction), but yes, you are correct.

Has my reasoning ever been good? :p
You haven't responded to the actual scummy thing I noted here. Is that because you agree with me that those are scummy? You got defensive. You thought through your vote more than a townie would. Poor reasoning is secondary to these points.

I can only call things as I see them, which is admittedly very skewed.
I'm two sided about what I was referring to here is in regards to a tell. It could be a bit of OMGUS/focus on me because I'm pushing you, but I *think* town TGK does that anyway.

Being lynched D1 last game for the same thing that put my head on the chopping block in Ωmega/Alpha was pretty hard. It pretty much put me in a "oh god don't get yourself lynched for the same thing twice in a row" mentality, so I was determined to actually get to play an actual game. In retrospect, I probably should have just remained calm. >_> Lesson learned. Meet Calm, level-headed TGK, here to help us scumhunt!
I can see some merit in this. However, why did you come to that conclusion? It seems more triggerhappy than "don't lynch me pls" which is what you are implying in this quoted post.

I can only call it as I see it. It just happened to be completely wrong.
That doesn't respond to the bandwagoning. What did you call? I am assuming you are referring to the reasoning you gave. However, if this was wrong, why did you call it? SS flipping town should not have affected the reasoning you gave of "he seems to be stating the obvious" as a townie can very well do that.

The biggest reason I was hard tunnelling SS was because I was in complete survival mode after being lynched day 1 last game. I've been a prime lynch target D1 every game I've played since revalation, but getting Lynched was awful. I was so determined to not be lynched day 1 that I ended up defying all logic to try and get myself to Day 2 so I could actually play the game.
I can see this. Unfortunately the "survival" mentality is the same in scum.

Was a joke, but in retrospect, I joked around way too much.
A... joke???? It looks like you are irritated at SS or getting aggressive defensive, and the use of "legitimately" does not help this in the slightest. I'm very suspicious that you're lying here.

So yeah. I played awfully last Day 1 as a result of playing awfully last-last D1, and I fully intend to make up for it today. I'm not telling you guys to not lynch me, and I'm certainly expecting you all to try.
Okay.
 
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