Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

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I look forward to these. ^.^
Well, if you insist, have this post I wrote up earlier but forgot to post in-thread:
Check out bb's post here:
Also, a comment on the kill before my big analysis post. It seems a smart kill as it provides little information in regards to scum voting patterns/buddying to town. He also hadn't voted for either SS or TGK by the end of the day, so there is very little info revealed in the voting department. In general, he hasn't really made major contributions to take from a town perspective.

This is incredibly scummy to me, for just one reason: this is written with too much knowledge. It's like bb partook in discussion about it or something... which would make him scum. On this site, big names not dying early on is very rare without role interference. The entire lack of surprise shown by bb here is very off.

So uh, ##UNVOTE and ##FOUNDYOU: bbninjas
@Celever Now that morda has claimed not being Stahl, do you think that he is Sully?
I'm confident mord isn't Sully.
 
And morda posts to promise he'll post later. >.<

I think I'll add to the pressure votes to make sure he actually makes his post, but I'll be unvoting if a bunch of people suddenly jump on the bandwagon.
##Leapfrog: mordacazir

Now, I'm glad to see that TGK suddenly seems to have stepped up his game and be posting a bit more, and generally trying to be helpful.

Surprisingly enough, D2 is actually slower than D1. I actually expected that I would spend a lot more time reading and catching up this game day than last game day...Not quite sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, but I'm going to lean towards a bad thing. :/
I hope morda hurries up and gets in here so that we can either decide to lynch him or move on.
 
This is incredibly scummy to me, for just one reason: this is written with too much knowledge. It's like bb partook in discussion about it or something... which would make him scum. On this site, big names not dying early on is very rare without role interference. The entire lack of surprise shown by bb here is very off.
I totally agree with what you're getting at here. It seems like a subtle complement to the scum on making an effective kill which could be seen as a scumslip.
 
I mean like literally respond.
This seems like a Role Fish, because you should know my response would have been to claim, among other things role-related, so a literal response would expose my role.

Well, if you insist, have this post I wrote up earlier but forgot to post in-thread:
Check out bb's post here:


This is incredibly scummy to me, for just one reason: this is written with too much knowledge. It's like bb partook in discussion about it or something... which would make him scum. On this site, big names not dying early on is very rare without role interference. The entire lack of surprise shown by bb here is very off.

So uh, ##UNVOTE and ##FOUNDYOU: bbninjas

This makes a lot of sense. I remember the scum team doing a similar tactic in revelation, which caused general confusion. In Melee, a similar thing happened, though it involved Yeowie's ability knowing bbninjas' ability so that one doesn't count too much. bb is now the only one going after me and is ignoring other lynch options.

I'd still like to see what Morda has to say to defend himself first, so I can decide who's more lynch-worthy.

Surprisingly enough, D2 is actually slower than D1. I actually expected that I would spend a lot more time reading and catching up this game day than last game day...Not quite sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, but I'm going to lean towards a bad thing. :/
Day 2 is generally slower than the insanity that is PB day ones. My thoughts on the reason for this is during day 1, we don't have any sort of concrete evidence so we're all scrambling to see who slips first. On day 2, two people have died [usually], so we can try to use the information from the deaths and voting patterns of the previous day to predict who would be scum, which means people are more likely to post less, but more detailed posts. Unless you're Camo.

Alternately, it could be because Camo's not here to make 15 posts a minute.
 
This is incredibly scummy to me, for just one reason: this is written with too much knowledge. It's like bb partook in discussion about it or something... which would make him scum. On this site, big names not dying early on is very rare without role interference. The entire lack of surprise shown by bb here is very off.

So uh, ##UNVOTE and ##FOUNDYOU: bbninjas

Can you see that post in townie light, or just scum light? Double o really doesn't have much to look into on its flip when I looked back, so I made that comment instead. To me, it is a smart kill, and realising that also makes you think about who may be on the team. Why? As you said and I hinted at, the kill is odd. Why did the scum team go about making an odd kill? Could be experience (i.e. giving the town minimal information), the fact that a bulk of the experienced are amongst the scum, or, uh, a drive.
 
Also fwiw, I'm inclined to vote for bbninjas after Celever's points. But I'm going to wait and see what Morda has to say before making my mind up.
 
This seems like a Role Fish, because you should know my response would have been to claim, among other things role-related, so a literal response would expose my role.
Oh, true, that's one way to look at it. I wouldn't claimed my role immediately in case it was just someone looking at getting a reaction or it is scum snuffing out power roles. So, don't claim. v.v;

bb is now the only one going after me and is ignoring other lynch options.
Well considering morda still hasn't responded and there's you and a whole bunch of people already pressuring him, I'll just wait for his response and then I'll comment.
 
If you want my own thoughts on the nightkill, I think it's a poor decision, because generally early-game the town has a habit of reaching to find leads out of host things (e.g. vote counts, flips etc.) as opposed to reads because subconsciously people find them more reliable. When I'm scum, I optimise on this fact. Killing targets that don't help discussion is bad on Night 1 because there is still so much anonymity among the town about who the scum are that they still have enough ways to influence the discussion that does happen as a result of their nightkill. No offence to dos, but I was pretty happy when I saw the flip for this very reason.

And while I was typing up this post, Prof P frames my case way better than I could ever hope to. >~<
Can you see that post in townie light, or just scum light? Double o really doesn't have much to look into on its flip when I looked back, so I made that comment instead. To me, it is a smart kill, and realising that also makes you think about who may be on the team. Why? As you said and I hinted at, the kill is odd. Why did the scum team go about making an odd kill? Could be experience (i.e. giving the town minimal information), the fact that a bulk of the experienced are amongst the scum, or, uh, a drive.
Just scum. It's not smart to most people (Vracken and sm was seemingly confused by it, I was super pleased by it) so you're essentially complimenting yourself here. I guess narcissism is the downfall of every wolf eventually :p
 
You were pleased by Double o Squirtle being night killed?
He was town, so that is a kind of odd thing to say :/

Also, I wasn't confused, just questioning it, thanks for the response Celever, it has given me a lot to think about ^w^
 
I'm 90% sure you know I'm not a narcissist. >:U

And it looks like we disagree on basic WW principles again.

Anyways, there's not really a defense to that because the majority of the post is written assuming that I am scum or its stuff I just disagree with.
 
Anyways, it looks like my endeavors to try and get people to say this without alerting scum is not working... so, I need every player to post in thread a post that states solely "I'm town."
 
You were pleased by Double o Squirtle being night killed?
He was town, so that is a kind of odd thing to say :/

Also, I wasn't confused, just questioning it, thanks for the response Celever, it has given me a lot to think about ^w^
Well nightkills are always town, so he was a good townie to die. I've just now remembered that there are two scumteams, so I guess we could've hoped for a crossfire, though >~>
I'm 90% sure you know I'm not a narcissist. >:U

And it looks like we disagree on basic WW principles again.

Anyways, there's not really a defense to that because the majority of the post is written assuming that I am scum or its stuff I just disagree with.
I know you're not a narcissist, that was total sarcasm. :p

The argument here isn't whether the kill was good or not, and I'm not going to let you misconstrue it that way. The entire case is based on your reaction to it.

And no, the post isn't written with the assumption that you are scum. I think both Prof P and I framed it in a neutral light.
 
Anyways, it looks like my endeavors to try and get people to say this without alerting scum is not working... so, I need every player to post in thread a post that states solely "I'm town."
Lie detectors don't work that way, sorry. :v

If they don't have these restrictions things can get super OP super fast.

But good claim.
 
Well nightkills are always town, so he was a good townie to die. I've just now remembered that there are two scumteams, so I guess we could've hoped for a crossfire, though >~>
I think scum can crossfire if they are split into two different teams.

I know you're not a narcissist, that was total sarcasm. :p
>:L

The argument here isn't whether the kill was good or not, and I'm not going to let you misconstrue it that way. The entire case is based on your reaction to it.
The first paragraph was you saying that the kill was not smart on scum teams, no?

And no, the post isn't written with the assumption that you are scum. I think both Prof P and I framed it in a neutral light.
Unless "so you're essentially complimenting yourself here." is sarcastic, I'm not sure how that is not looking at things in a scummy light.
 
Lie detectors don't work that way, sorry. :v

If they don't have these restrictions things can get super OP super fast.

But good claim.

It definitely does has restrictions attached. If you were not scum, you would not be afraid to post "I'm town" in thread. That is literally no disadvantage on you posting this as town. Unless you think I'm some strange demented version of a scum vig that kills players when they say they are town, which makes no sense since otherwise I would've killed E_m, or SS I guess.
 
I think scum can crossfire if they are split into two different teams.
You're probably right; I just wasn't thinking of it earlier because the whole split scumteams things fell out of my head. :p
The first paragraph was you saying that the kill was not smart on scum teams, no?
I said that I didn't think it was particularly good, but that was just because scattered asked me for thoughts on it a bit earlier on. It wasn't necessarily directed at you, which is why I put it above your quote.
Unless "so you're essentially complimenting yourself here." is sarcastic, I'm not sure how that is not looking at things in a scummy light.
That's just one line, though. The rest of it is affiliation-neutral.
 
Unless "so you're essentially complimenting yourself here." is sarcastic, I'm not sure how that is not looking at things in a scummy light.
Just to protect my own back, I've never claimed this and I don't want to let Celever speak for me with this claim.

I think it's awkward to be complementing the scum on their work considering they're the enemy.
 
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