Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[Professor Palutena]

Worst case scenario, I wouldn't mind a Vracken lynch.

Really it's just on the premise that IE is confirmed town due to E_m being Chrom, and I don't want a confirmed town getting modkilled. Killing Vracken opens up the last sub to IE and we keep the confo-town around.

Would still prefer lynching Celever in the event that Reinforce is actually invincible, but if a wagon doesn't form for either of them, Vracken is my third choice.

 

[Ice Espeon]

I think I've vaguely caught up with the thread now but not fully in detail and therefore not really sure on reads. Sorry for not being more helpful but I've been ill the last few days and as a result I'm quite tired.

I did notice that there was some pressure on TGK in previous days but that mostly died down. Was it just because of better leads or...?

 

[quakingpunch73]

I'm all for a Vracken lynch if it helps, he still hasn't contributed at all, even after Camo told him what he could contribute.

 

[thegrovylekid]

And Vracken still hasn't done anything. I'd be down for a Vracken lynch if it comes down to it.

 

[Jabberwock]

@quakingpunch73, might I inquire as to how many games of WW you've played before this one?

I think I've vaguely caught up with the thread now but not fully in detail and therefore not really sure on reads. Sorry for not being more helpful but I've been ill the last few days and as a result I'm quite tired.

I did notice that there was some pressure on TGK in previous days but that mostly died down. Was it just because of better leads or...?

TGK was soft-cleared by results from his ability affecting both myself and Celever.

On the topic of votes, morda's getting steadily higher on my scum reads. I understand having school stuff, but you haven't contributed much at all over the last several days. Interestingly, this was right after pressure was lifted off of you and onto Reinforce.

 

[quakingpunch73]

@Jabberwock, this is my first game on pokebeach. However, I play Town of Salem, a WW like game online often, so I am familiar with some terms and basics.

 

[King Xerneas]

Also, @King Xerneas, after being soft cleared as townie, I think everyone kind off wants your reads right now, as we haven't gotten to see much of your opinions throughout the game.

I made a post quite some time ago about me not having much of an opinion since there is really no hard evidence to even start a scum lead. At this point I'm just waiting for something of actual substance since we literally are all grasping at straws at this point. There's also the chance Camo knows something about Celever that he isn't saying, but it could just be a giant bluff to get him to confess to something.

 

[King Xerneas]

On the topic of votes, morda's getting steadily higher on my scum reads. I understand having school stuff, but you haven't contributed much at all over the last several days. Interestingly, this was right after pressure was lifted off of you and onto Reinforce.

Wasn't morda soft-cleared as Cherche due to the whole Friends with Wyverns ability?

 

[King Xerneas]

Once again my post tags someone...fml

 

[Jabberwock]

Wasn't morda soft-cleared as Cherche due to the whole Friends with Wyverns ability?

That could be a safeclaim, though, for a similar ability, couldn't it?

 

[King Xerneas]

Could be considering morda got Reinforce lynched-but-not-lynched

 

[King Xerneas]

If Cherche is a safe claim and if safe claims are class related (ala simsands), Morda could be Vasto since he's the only Wyvern Rider boss that had a unique portrait.

 

[Professor Palutena]

If Cherche is a safe claim and if safe claims are class related (ala simsands), Morda could be Vasto since he's the only Wyvern Rider boss that had a unique portrait.

If anything, it's likely that the setup has a tracker/watcher on a scum team and "Friends with Wyverns" is the same ability with Cherche's flavor attached to it.

Usually safeclaims work out to be the same abilities with different flavor attached to them, though that didn't appear to be the case with simsands. That said, since he was the head of a scum team, there aren't many ways to town-ify a Mafia Godfather.

 

[quakingpunch73]

If Cherche is a safe claim and if safe claims are class related (ala simsands), Morda could be Vasto since he's the only Wyvern Rider boss that had a unique portrait.

If it helps, Aversa can reclass into Wyvern Rider, as she is far more likely to be in this game than Vasto.

 

[Professor Palutena]

Also for what it's worth, I've seen mordacazir viewing the thread and he hasn't posted. Not sure what's up there.

 

[King Xerneas]

If it helps, Aversa can reclass into Wyvern Rider, as she is far more likely to be in this game than Vasto.

I was thinking more in the vain of base classes since simsands Frederick safe-claim was Walhart. If anything, whoever claims Sumia may actually be Aversa.

 

[Professor Palutena]

##UNVOTE: Celever
##VERB: mordacazir

Actually thinking about this, I think it makes sense.

Scum tracker or watcher is usually a common scum role as it's a prime method of getting information. If we believe Reinforce's claim of seer, then there's no way he could've killed Draclord. Even though Reinforce is likely scum, why would he seer the person they were trying to kill? It makes no sense.

What I'd like to propose is that mordacazir is the Valmese tracker/watcher. Night 2 was a Valmese kill and someone died, indicating that the ability may likely was passed down (as no one seems to think there is an indie other than myself, though I'm less sure about it given that only one person died last night). As the tracker/watcher, morda removed the Valmese killer from his report and left Reinforce as the only one to target Draclord, which automatically makes it appear as Reinforce was the only guy to target Draclord on Night 2.

I'm thinking Reinforce is the Plegian information role, being a seer. He's also actually Grima (like come on, Grima's Truth for a seer ability. It's totally obvious) and he likely can't be killed until Validar and Aversa are killed as well. mordacazir is the Valmese information role and is a tracker/watcher to reduce the number of seers in the game for balance sake, and considering simsands (Walhart) had two killing abilities, I think having a weaker information role makes sense balance wise).

I was thinking more in the vain of base classes since simsands Frederick safe-claim was Walhart. If anything, whoever claims Sumia may actually be Aversa.

scattered mind admitted to having the Falcon Knight abilities back on Day 1, so he's likely Sumia (or a reclassed Aversa since there's no way he could've reclassed to Pegasus Knight and promoted to Dark Flier by Day 1).

 

[quakingpunch73]

##UNVOTE: Celever
##VERB: mordacazir

Actually thinking about this, I think it makes sense.

Scum tracker or watcher is usually a common scum role as it's a prime method of getting information. If we believe Reinforce's claim of seer, then there's no way he could've killed Draclord. Even though Reinforce is likely scum, why would he seer the person they were trying to kill? It makes no sense.

What I'd like to propose is that mordacazir is the Valmese tracker/watcher. Night 2 was a Valmese kill and someone died, indicating that the ability may likely was passed down (as no one seems to think there is an indie other than myself, though I'm less sure about it given that only one person died last night). As the tracker/watcher, morda removed the Valmese killer from his report and left Reinforce as the only one to target Draclord, which automatically makes it appear as Reinforce was the only guy to target Draclord on Night 2.

I'm thinking Reinforce is the Plegian information role, being a seer. He's also actually Grima (like come on, Grima's Truth for a seer ability. It's totally obvious) and he likely can't be killed until Validar and Aversa are killed as well. mordacazir is the Valmese information role and is a tracker/watcher to reduce the number of seers in the game for balance sake, and considering simsands (Walhart) had two killing abilities, I think having a weaker information role makes sense balance wise).


scattered mind admitted to having the Falcon Knight abilities back on Day 1, so he's likely Sumia (or a reclassed Aversa since there's no way he could've reclassed to Pegasus Knight and promoted to Dark Flier by Day 1).

If Reinforce is Grima, than I have a suspicion on Bb being Validar. Reinforce could have seered simsands N1, and gave the info to bb in order to use the lie detector. However, this is only one possibility among many, but there is a chance that the unlikeliest possibility may just be the truth.

 

[thegrovylekid]

I'm thinking Reinforce is the Plegian information role, being a seer. He's also actually Grima (like come on, Grima's Truth for a seer ability. It's totally obvious) and he likely can't be killed until Validar and Aversa are killed as well. mordacazir is the Valmese information role and is a tracker/watcher to reduce the number of seers in the game for balance sake, and considering simsands (Walhart) had two killing abilities, I think having a weaker information role makes sense balance wise).

This makes a lot of sense, considering Grima saves Validar from death at one point in the story and feeds off the life energy of others.

Rest of your post makes a lot of sense too.

##UNYEEHAW: Reinforce
##YEEHAW: Mordacazir


Depending on what morda flips we get a lot of information.

 

[King Xerneas]

Also if Reinforce is Grima do you think it's possible the hosts made it so we can't lynch him but have to kill him through weapons?