Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

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You sure? Look at the whole picture. Luis solely focusing on one or two players and lacking major comment on everything else for four days is certainly odd. And he doesn't have an excuse - he made bigger posts when commenting on EM. Besides, popping in to say "EM, you're making no sense" or "EM, you're doing that wrong" is not even putting on pressure. I think you were one of two people who thought EM was legitimately scum - everyone else was calling for a policy lynch iirc, so tunneling/pressuring doesn't even make sense.
Still subjective. Of the 31 posts you quoted there, less than a third of them quote on quote "focus on EM". I think there was also plenty of valid reasons to post about EM. Getting confo-townies to post can also be an extremely townie thing to do.
Active lurking is a sign of a lazy town or a scum trying to fit in without scumhunting. Sure, lack of computer can contribute, but he has commented sufficiently on other aspects of the game.
Not really. Active lurking isn't a sign of "lazy town", it just means that they have restricted time. When you don't have a lot of time, you prioritise what you talk about. This is why he might have commented on some topics a lot and others less so.

You haven't really talked about mord this game according to my notes. This doesn't mean you're scum, it just means you felt there were more pressing topics to post about. Same logic applies to Luis.
All of them? Uh, no. I'll wait until Luis responds before I explain why the points are valid. In regards to his contributions; they are mostly all piggybacking or saying "you make no sense".
Piggybacking can also just be saying your opinion but later. It depends how much reasoning they also provide and other variables. You have to take into account that these games aren't necessarily live.

A lot is an overstatement, but yes there are other players that I'd say are active-lurking, piggy-backing, and possibly focusing. Also, I don't see why posting more is so important, because that's not what the evidence is...
Nono, a lot really isn't an overstatement. I could do it with you, me, Camo, scattered, Prof P, KX, Vracken, mord and Jabber for sure because I've already got decent notes on all those players, and I'm always scummy :U. I could definitely do more, too.

And the more a player posts, the more material you can use against them. No one has a perfect game. Everyone does lots of minor scumtells each game, which is why I don't give your case a lot of credit. All you did is list a bunch of subjective theories and minor scumtells, which mean very little.
 
Still subjective. Of the 31 posts you quoted there, less than a third of them quote on quote "focus on EM". I think there was also plenty of valid reasons to post about EM. Getting confo-townies to post can also be an extremely townie thing to do.
He's not really getting him to post. Most of the big ones were "you're wrong." Also, stop using statistics to try and prove your point - they may look good, but they're just numbers. You need to analyse the numbers.

Not really. Active lurking isn't a sign of "lazy town", it just means that they have restricted time. When you don't have a lot of time, you prioritise what you talk about. This is why he might have commented on some topics a lot and others less so.
Oh, that could be another reason. Anyways, I'd like to see Luis' response to why EM and morda were more important then everything else.

You haven't really talked about mord this game according to my notes. This doesn't mean you're scum, it just means you felt there were more pressing topics to post about. Same logic applies to Luis.
True, though I think I've posted some thoughts on him, unlike Luis does for most of the time. I've posted about you, TGK, simsands and now Luis, and sorta Reinforce, to a greater extent, though. Compare to Luis' EM and morda - a policy and a legitimate player to discuss.

Piggybacking can also just be saying your opinion but later. It depends how much reasoning they also provide and other variables. You have to take into account that these games aren't necessarily live.
When that's the only thing you're doing? You're never really bringing new points to the table? You're not questioning much at all?


Nono, a lot really isn't an overstatement. I could do it with you, me, Camo, scattered, Prof P, KX, Vracken, mord and Jabber for sure because I've already got decent notes on all those players, and I'm always scummy :U. I could definitely do more, too.
I was thinking KX, vrack, mord and jabber would have similar points on them. bb, Celever, Camo and sm barely relate to the points I mentioned.

And the more a player posts, the more material you can use against them. No one has a perfect game. Everyone does lots of minor scumtells each game, which is why I don't give your case a lot of credit. All you did is list a bunch of subjective theories and minor scumtells, which mean very little.
Okay then. I look forward to @Luispipe8's list of things that he's done that is pro-town.
 
We don't really gain much by lynching morda at this point, as he can't post in thread, so we won't know information that we otherwise could have found out. For now... ##UnFutureSight: mordacazir
 
Case has been read. (All the tagging was a bit unnecessary, I was asleep so couldn't have answered anyways. :v) Typing response as of now.
 


Right, so here's the major scummy things of Luis:
  • Focusing unhealthily on Empoleon_master
  • Lacking proper comment on the major lynch options unless it is morda
  • Piggy-backing
  • Planting seeds of suspicion
  • Active-lurking
Scummy things that could be townie actions but unlikely
  • Wanting for simsands' head and questioning little (i.e. has insider information that I'm town)
  • WIFOMy suspicions
  • Adamant on getting his point across that inactivity is out of his control
Other notes:
Potential buddying with morda and Jabber

Anyways, I hope that's pretty self-explanatory. Now that I've made the analysis, I think this case is much stronger than the one on morda, as his case is more based on a "his role could easily be scum", where the role could just as easily be town.


* My "focus" on E_M was as unhealthy as his own playstyle (if you can even call that a playstyle). You don't treat a plague nicely. You take it out.
*TBF, all cases on most players were build and exposed before I even got to the thread, so when the wagon was already steaming I had nothing to contribute. And it's still happening. >.<
* Based off what I wrote above, if I thought of something, someone had pointed it out when I fully caught up with the cases, so there's literally no way to avoid looking like you're piggybacking.
*First time I ever see the term "Seeds of suspicion". Sounds like a new movie. :v But again, I state someone is suspicious, go to class or judge an event and when I came back, someone already harvested my crops. Repeatedly. So can't really do much about it.
*Lacking a PC, I've every reason to lurk inactively, but you can see I'm trying to avoid it and contribute as much as I can (Yeah, a bit WIFOM-y, but also true).
*simsands was a mod result. If it wasn't true, then you wouldn't still be here because we'd lynch you immediately after that. But I /did/ question you. I said you're not confo-town, and the point still stands.
*I literally don't get the WIFOM-y suspicions, I'll get back to that.
*I made literally /one/ post about inactivity. If you call that being adamant, I can't imagine what I did to E_M according to that. :v
*My role could be of use if on a scum, certainly, I've no reason not to say that. I better tell Tiki to cover for me with her voice. Think of that what you wish

I think I covered it all? I'll re-check after I post this.
 
We don't really gain much by lynching morda at this point, as he can't post in thread, so we won't know information that we otherwise could have found out. For now... ##UnFutureSight: mordacazir
Lynching morda gains us the same amount of information whether he can talk about it or not.

I'm still thinking he's really scummy for what I brought up earlier but it kinda feels like a total dbag move to lynch him when he can't defend himself.

But then again, play to your win con.

#WerewolfEthics

Right now, morda is the option I'm most in favor of and I will be keeping my vote on him for that reason.

I remain convinced that someone killed Draclord and it wasn't Reinforce. There's no reason Reinforce would kill the same guy he got seer results on. Even if you take the redirection into account, he would've targeted Camoclone who would've died too.

If morda flips town, I think we can confirm the setup has a ninja in it. If he flips scum, then that's probably not the case. I'm really looking forward to the events of Night 4. If no one dies, then scum kills aren't inherited and we don't have a third party. If someone does die, then we can confirm that one or the other of those exist.
 
I don't see much valid evidence against Luis. Although the focus on EM kinda reminds me of the time he was scum and made a huge post about EM, but still, it is kind of weak.
@Celever- your turn.

btw,

@Vracken - Are you still trying to get under the radar? Why do you keep ignoring people's posts to you?

@Reinforce is still focused on defending himself and doesn't do anything but that.
 
I finally have some time so now starts the long, boring process of doing isos on everyone, bbl
 
* My "focus" on E_M was as unhealthy as his own playstyle (if you can even call that a playstyle). You don't treat a plague nicely. You take it out.
I can understand this.

We don't really gain much by lynching morda at this point, as he can't post in thread, so we won't know information that we otherwise could have found out. For now... ##UnFutureSight: mordacazir
I'll have to look back over his posts, but it seems to me like you seem to go along with the most popular idea at the time.
 
There's still plenty of time for us to discuss other stuff. Morda /should/ be lynched, but after we get some more discussion.
 
Still working. I'd be along farther but Celever has posted in this thread over nine thousand times so I'm now just crawling through the thread and writing down stuff I find interesting as opposed to just isoing everyone

Celever didn't you say that scattered mind was one of your top scum reads? I don't see why he is so scummy atm so please post your case on him.
 
So what's the whole deal with morda being silenced?

Judging by the nature of the silencing, it's more than likely that it is Excellus's doing, as mention earlier he was blackmailing Yen'fay. This also makes it unlikely that Morda is Valm's watcher/tracker, as he would have to have been silenced by a team mate or himself to do so. I personally need Morda alive as well because he will help me use one of my skills which I would prefer to keep private until I need it.
 
Judging by the nature of the silencing, it's more than likely that it is Excellus's doing, as mention earlier he was blackmailing Yen'fay. This also makes it unlikely that Morda is Valm's watcher/tracker, as he would have to have been silenced by a team mate or himself to do so. I personally need Morda alive as well because he will help me use one of my skills which I would prefer to keep private until I need it.
There's two scum teams, so Morda could be Plegia's watcher/tracker.
 
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