Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

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quakingpunch73 said:
I personally need Morda alive as well because he will help me use one of my skills which I would prefer to keep private until I need it.
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What? You were perfectly fine with Lynching him until you found out he was silenced, then you stopped, and now you say you need him alive?
 
thegrovylekid said:
What? You were perfectly fine with Lynching him until you found out he was silenced, then you stopped, and now you say you need him alive?
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It's the fact that he's being silenced by someone that's most likely scum that I need him alive. It's obvious someone doesn't want any results from his ability to be found out that makes me want to keep him around.
 
quakingpunch73 said:
It's the fact that he's being silenced by someone that's most likely scum that I need him alive. It's obvious someone doesn't want any results from his ability to be found out that makes me want to keep him around.
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The other scum team targeted him then.

Silencing morda is obviously anti-town so why would a townie do it?

Bigger question is why did you come to this revelation after you voted for him.
thegrovylekid said:
I can understand this.


I'll have to look back over his posts, but it seems to me like you seem to go along with the most popular idea at the time.
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He just joined the game Day 4 I believe so there's not much to go off of.

quakingpunch73 said:
Judging by the nature of the silencing, it's more than likely that it is Excellus's doing, as mention earlier he was blackmailing Yen'fay. This also makes it unlikely that Morda is Valm's watcher/tracker, as he would have to have been silenced by a team mate or himself to do so. I personally need Morda alive as well because he will help me use one of my skills which I would prefer to keep private until I need it.
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There's no flavor supporting the silencing and so basing it off of flavor doesn't work. This makes the first two sentences of your post absolutely meaningless.

That said, the part about your ability needing Morda alive for is interesting, especially since you were willing to get on his wagon almost immediately. I think you would've thought it over.
 
Professor Palutena said:
The other scum team targeted him then.

Silencing morda is obviously anti-town so why would a townie do it?

Bigger question is why did you come to this revelation after you voted for him.

He just joined the game Day 4 I believe so there's not much to go off of.


There's no flavor supporting the silencing and so basing it off of flavor doesn't work. This makes the first two sentences of your post absolutely meaningless.

That said, the part about your ability needing Morda alive for is interesting, especially since you were willing to get on his wagon almost immediately. I think you would've thought it over.
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We didn't know of the silencing before I voted for him. After I found out about the silencing, I came to the realization that I needed him alive. Not for him, but for the silencer.
 
quakingpunch73 said:
We didn't know of the silencing before I voted for him. After I found out about the silencing, I came to the realization that I needed him alive. Not for him, but for the silencer.
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mord isn't going to be targeted by the silence again.

The silence was probably an item. Whether it's by his scumbuddies (WIFOMy defense wooh!), an opposing scumteam (possibly giving credibility to mord's report wooh!) or a townie who's not keeping up to date on the game very well, we don't know.
thegrovylekid said:
You're being as vague and unhelpful as EM right now.
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Nono, he's just not claiming his role. I think that's forgiveable :U
 
I had to step away but I'm still checking into stuff. Having to read and reread posts to make sure my arguments are more solid is making this take longer than it should.
 
thegrovylekid said:
Either stop being so vague about it or further explain your sudden interest in Morda, please.
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In the middle of typing another post, but please don't do this.

And TGK, stop it. Werewolf players always have to be careful not to succumb to humankind's lust to satiate curiosity.

Though I do agree that a lynch vote would be nice, @quakingpunch73
 
Celever said:
In the middle of typing another post, but please don't do this.

And TGK, stop it. Werewolf players always have to be careful not to succumb to humankind's lust to satiate curiosity.

Though I do agree that a lynch vote would be nice, @quakingpunch73
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I still believe that @Vracken would be an acceptable lynch option, because at least morda has an excuse for not posting. If worst comes to worst, morda isn't necessary for my survival, but if we keep him around, there is a chance that I could find scum.
 
@PMJ, it's fine if your reads aren't perfect.

Also I don't really have enough time to make a case on scattered right now, totally honestly. The issue is that people oftentimes give credence to certain scumtells which others value far less.

If I had to be totally honest, I think a main reason why I'm targeting scattered mind is the information we'll get from his lynch. He's got established links to other scummy players in this game.

If I had to be heartless, I think bb is a good option. His ability's one use has been used up, and he's still trying to help out which is great, but he's not doing so that well, as evidenced by his case on Luis. We get roughly the same amount of information from him as we do from scattered too, if not more, and I still don't necessarily believe his claim of lie detector over scum seer, and we have no way of discerning between the two right now. He's still done multiple scummy things over the course of this game which I've pointed out as we've gone through. Most notable is still his reactions to the kills. It's also worth noting that if bb is still seering every night, silencing mord would make a lot of sense in case he finds the guy on one of his reports.

I'm gonna go ahead and ##UNVOTE, ##VOTE bbninjas for right now. I have a couple of mainstream scumreads, but I'm more thinking about the future than anything else. bb's recent weak case on Luis means we could learn even more additional stuff based on his flip.
 
Celever said:
@PMJ, it's fine if your reads aren't perfect.

Also I don't really have enough time to make a case on scattered right now, totally honestly. The issue is that people oftentimes give credence to certain scumtells which others value far less.

If I had to be totally honest, I think a main reason why I'm targeting scattered mind is the information we'll get from his lynch. He's got established links to other scummy players in this game.

If I had to be heartless, I think bb is a good option. His ability's one use has been used up, and he's still trying to help out which is great, but he's not doing so that well, as evidenced by his case on Luis. We get roughly the same amount of information from him as we do from scattered too, if not more, and I still don't necessarily believe his claim of lie detector over scum seer, and we have no way of discerning between the two right now. He's still done multiple scummy things over the course of this game which I've pointed out as we've gone through. Most notable is still his reactions to the kills. It's also worth noting that if bb is still seering every night, silencing mord would make a lot of sense in case he finds the guy on one of his reports.

I'm gonna go ahead and ##UNVOTE, ##VOTE bbninjas for right now. I have a couple of mainstream scumreads, but I'm more thinking about the future than anything else. bb's recent weak case on Luis means we could learn even more additional stuff based on his flip.
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I've almost gotten to the point where I joined, and if I were to post my scum reads at that point they would be you, mordacazir, and Jabberwock. Didn't Reinforce clear bbninjas with his role? I gotta reread on that but if he didn't then add bbninjas to the list
 
Celever said:
The silence was probably an item.
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Yeah, I suspect the Silence was this.

Anyways, looking through Luis' response, I really don't have time to respond to that. I've been thinking about how I would give defense to those accusations and I would respond to those defense, and I figured I'll just be pointing out that is still scummy. Eh, there's information to get from that defense anyways even if the lynch is not to be pursued.

Quaking's buddying or wtv he is doing is making me more inclined to lynch morda. I'm with PP in that I don't want to lynch him because he can't give a defense, but I guess I'll see where my vote goes later.

Celever said:
If I had to be heartless, I think bb is a good option. His ability's one use has been used up, and he's still trying to help out which is great, but he's not doing so that well, as evidenced by his case on Luis. We get roughly the same amount of information from him as we do from scattered too, if not more, and I still don't necessarily believe his claim of lie detector over scum seer, and we have no way of discerning between the two right now. He's still done multiple scummy things over the course of this game which I've pointed out as we've gone through. Most notable is still his reactions to the kills. It's also worth noting that if bb is still seering every night, silencing mord would make a lot of sense in case he finds the guy on one of his reports.

I'm gonna go ahead and ##UNVOTE, ##VOTE bbninjas for right now. I have a couple of mainstream scumreads, but I'm more thinking about the future than anything else. bb's recent weak case on Luis means we could learn even more additional stuff based on his flip.
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So you want to lynch me because a) You think I'm scumhunting poorly or using flawed scumhunting b) You'll get information from my flip c) You don't trust my claim.

You're not trying to lynch me because I'm scummy, but instead you want to lynch an active, helpful player because you think you'll get good information.

If that's not the case, give some actual evidence (no, I'm not going to go look back through your ton of posts for points you've made on me being scummy). I'm also unsure on why you have issues with my "reactions to the kills".
 
bbninjas said:
Yeah, I suspect the Silence was this.

Anyways, looking through Luis' response, I really don't have time to respond to that. I've been thinking about how I would give defense to those accusations and I would respond to those defense, and I figured I'll just be pointing out that is still scummy. Eh, there's information to get from that defense anyways even if the lynch is not to be pursued.

Quaking's buddying or wtv he is doing is making me more inclined to lynch morda. I'm with PP in that I don't want to lynch him because he can't give a defense, but I guess I'll see where my vote goes later.


So you want to lynch me because a) You think I'm scumhunting poorly or using flawed scumhunting b) You'll get information from my flip c) You don't trust my claim.

You're not trying to lynch me because I'm scummy, but instead you want to lynch an active, helpful player because you think you'll get good information.

If that's not the case, give some actual evidence (no, I'm not going to go look back through your ton of posts for points you've made on me being scummy).
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Nono, you're still a mainstream scumread. Just also we get lots of info from you when you die!
I'm also unsure on why you have issues with my "reactions to the kills".
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You responded to me at the time; quit dumbtelling.
 
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