Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[Squirtle Squad]

At this point I am legitimately convinced that you only ever want to vote me because you have some grudge against me from Revalation.

That's trivial. I'm here to play the game, and I don't hold to any past rubbish, and neither should you.

I'm voting you because you are the scummiest player this day.

 

[thegrovylekid]

That's trivial. I'm here to play the game, and I don't hold to any past rubbish, and neither should you.

I'm voting you because you are the scummiest player this day.

Erm, that would be you. Your claim also doesn't have enough information to save you.

 

[Scattered mind]

Erm, that would be you. Your claim also doesn't have enough information to save you.

##VOTE:thegrovylekid

Role Fish. In addition to OMGUS, Bandwagon , Panicking and more.

I know that SS is also scummy with his AtE posts but can someone explain to me the initial case? I'm not sure if I understand what I needed to understand from the quotes Camo gave.

 

[thegrovylekid]

##VOTE:thegrovylekid

Role Fish. In addition to OMGUS, Bandwagon , Panicking and more.

I know that SS is also scummy with his AtE posts but can someone explain to me the initial case? I'm not sure if I understand what I needed to understand from the quotes Camo gave.

##BADPUN: bbninjas

Don't want to let the bad puns we made go to waste!

Also, can you get on Skype, Jabber? To discuss OLB?

My original vote for bb.

##TYRESPIN: thegrovylekid

In the very next post, BB proceeds to OMGUS me and nobody notices.

Miriel? Only character I can think of that gets fire magic as a starting tome.


Robin?

Anyways, I think Luis has the best idea.

##UNBADPUN: bbninjas
##BADPUN: Vom

I switch my vote to Vom as a joke.

but...but... you can't lynch me with me! D:

In all seriousness, BB was pretty quick to try and shift pressure off of himself over a fake vote.

##UNBADPUN: Vom
##BADPUN: bbninjas

it's day 1, so we probably shouldn't take anything seriously for a while.

I switch it back to my original vote, bbninjas, and get accused of OMGUS even though BB OMGUS'd first and nobody noticed. Wonder why?

 

[bbninjas]

I am town.

@Camoclone

Wanna explain your logic or is this just my turn for your D1 hunting?

[Future reference.]

@bbninjas, I singled out Prof P because his bandwagon was the only scummy one. Everyone knows that EM's lynch would have been a pretty decent one -- even his brother Lissa stated this. However, Prof P jumped on it very early, using logic which he wouldn't have used had he read every post in the thread, which given Camo's inactivity today isn't that many, so I'm sure he has read them. It seems more like he wanted to accelerate the wagon and was searching for a reason so as to not seem super scummy than he noticed something scummy and therefore wanted to place a vote, which is behaviour only found in scum.

Also thank you for noticing that post; when everyone else ignored it I thought there must have been a forum bug! Dx

Makes sense~ ##UNVOTE: Celever

Huh. Camo's making sense, Strange, but I'll take it.

##UNBADPUN: bbninjas
##BADPUN: Squirtle Squad

SS is trying to look like he's scumhunting, but is really just stating the obvious.

Lol wat. This just plain scummy, which people have already pointed out. There are two things that are keeping me voting for him: firstly, he is acting the same as he did last game. Wouldn't he have learnt his lesson and not jump around like this? Secondly, although not something that should change my vote ultimately, I really don't want to lynch TGK Day 1 this game since he was lynched Day 1 last game too. >.<

Why not? He had already been called out for it. I was merely pointing out that he, too, was in fact also scummy. There were good reasons to vote EM at the time, and backing out of it the moment a tiny bit of pressure was put on him didn't seem very towny at all.

Makes sense.

Moving on, while I agree that Squirtle Squad's odd behavior of repeatedly trying to convince us that he's town, when no one besides Camo was paying attention to him is a pretty good reason to be suspicious of him, I still think that it's something that he could do as town, as well, so I'm not entirely sold yet.

IHANI why no one else figured out why SS was being scummy and that it took simsands to tell everyone, but oh well >_>

I'm not gonna speak for EM and I'm not scum buddies with him, nor am I scum trying to buddy with the Confo town,
But it's pretty obvious why he posted what he did.

Huh? Why are you posting this if you are town? You sound like a player worried about being falsely accused/receiving suspicion for false reasons. Scum are the players that worry about receiving unnecessary suspicion, not town. That said, I have clarified to prevent misunderstandings in this way before as town, so I can see where you may be coming from.

</3 I'm sure I posted my suspicions on SS.

I simply repeated this because everyone was still going on about it, it simply needed to be repeated.

This whole "case" is built on nothing?

I mean come on camo you bold a few lines and suddenly it's a case, look at the people
Who just jumped on? You have your real suspects now (looking at morda blindly bandwagoning on something he didn't understand)

This is interesting. It sounds nearly overconfident. @Squirtle Squad , you need to stop listening to Camo and not everyone else. xD

Haha mate, I was speaking against the people who were still considering lynching the guy who's clearly town. Sorry I don't brainlessly go along with every misconceived plan Your Worship.
I'm sorry for having a different opinion to those who mindlessly bandwagon on everything you post.
I'm town, and have an invested interested in particular for the character of Chrom to remain alive, for my sake.

Okay, now you sound annoyed/sarcastic. You're clearly town? Yeah right.

There are six active votes listed here.

Wooo~ someone else noticed! (You can see where I marked it as future reference here.) I'm thinking Camo or Celever myself as PP was the one who raised it. If Celever has it, I'm worried, since Celever is notoriously good at saving people with his vote that should not be saved. :U

At this point I am legitimately convinced that you only ever want to vote me because you have some grudge against me from Revalation.

This honestly sounds just as scummy as what SS is saying.

##VOTE: TGK

Let's balance the votes out a little.

 

[bbninjas]

I'm going to go back to those first few votes of TGK's and explain, because to be fair he doesn't seem to understand what he did is scummy.

 

[bbninjas]

Here comes the order of events with commentary by bbninjas! =D

##BADPUN: bbninjas

Don't want to let the bad puns we made go to waste!

Also, can you get on Skype, Jabber? To discuss OLB?

RVS vote. Expected.

##TYRESPIN: thegrovylekid

RVS vote because you voted me. Yes, OMGUS, but OMGUS in RVS is not a tell.

BB OMGUSed, everyone lynch him now.

You know what? I miss this chaos. I think I'll stick around for D1 this time around. After I go eat.

Is apparently joking around about my OMGUS.

Anyways, I think Luis has the best idea.

##UNBADPUN: bbninjas
##BADPUN: Vom

Yup, exactly what TGK did last game. Goes to a safe vote.

Basically goes for the safe option of voting Vom (which gives no information whatsoever), but that's not actually a tell.

1. It's day 1.
2. Vom's the host, and I'm very curious to see what happens.
4. Did I mention we're not even 12 hours into day 1?
5. Vom isn't playing, therefore my vote probably means nothing.

This is where the scummy stuff starts. First off, gets defensive over a vote with very poor reasoning. And it also sounds like he thought this RVS vote through a bit more than a townie would, thinking about it now.

3. There's one vote on you and you already seem to be panicking.

And is pointing fingers at me. >.>

##thegrovylekid: thegrovylekid

You're thinking too much! Haha, this too is on the defensive is it not?

This is sorta funny now that TGK seems to be going on aggressive against SS. Probably means nothing though.

In all seriousness, BB was pretty quick to try and shift pressure off of himself over a fake vote.

##UNBADPUN: Vom
##BADPUN: bbninjas

This is where things get questionable. TGK goes on about shifting pressure, which is hypocritical since TGK is shifting "pressure" in this very post. And that his pressure was really petty, so I'm not sure how it came to this conclusion in the first place.

it's day 1, so we probably shouldn't take anything seriously for a while.

I can't tell if TGK is saying that his vote on me is really serious or not.
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So, there. That's why my suspicions of TGK are coming from. Things like the following don't help his case:

Huh. Camo's making sense, Strange, but I'll take it.

##UNBADPUN: bbninjas
##BADPUN: Squirtle Squad

SS is trying to look like he's scumhunting, but is really just stating the obvious.

Bandwagon.

Regardless of wether or not this is sarcasm, you've now made yourself the only target for today.

This is completely false. Not sure if this is manipulative scum or tunneling townie.

At this point I am legitimately convinced that you only ever want to vote me because you have some grudge against me from Revalation.

Sounds a bit AtE.
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If people want me to post my thoughts on SS in this way, just let me know (in thread, o/c).

 

[Squirtle Squad]

@bbninjas I addressed that same point to whoever it was that said "clearly" town. Not once did I say I was clearly town, because saying so would imply there was evidence to suggest it.
I simply stated my own alignment, no evidence just my "claim".

Yes sarcasm due to annoyance, this whole case on me was for nothing (OPINION!) and I'm getting targeted for reacting, which judging off the last couple of games seems to be my new townie play (when I get suspected I get over confident and cocky because I know my alignment)

 

[Scattered mind]

Here comes the order of events with commentary by bbninjas! =D





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If people want me to post my thoughts on SS in this way, just let me know (in thread, o/c).

I do!

 

[bbninjas]

Things like the following don't help his case:

Add the below to that ^ list.

Erm, that would be you. Your claim also doesn't have enough information to save you.

Rolefish.

 

[bbninjas]

@bbninjas I addressed that same point to whoever it was that said "clearly" town.

Can you find that address? I can't find it.

Not once did I say I was clearly town, because saying so would imply there was evidence to suggest it.

Well, it looks like you said you're town here: "lynching the guy who's clearly town."
Wait, nm. Just realised that Squirtle is probably referring to IE/EM here.

I simply stated my own alignment, no evidence just my "claim".

Okay. (I'm not sure what you're referring to here.)

Yes sarcasm due to annoyance, this whole case on me was for nothing (OPINION!)

I will see about then when I go through your past posts again. :3

I'm getting targeted for reacting, which judging off the last couple of games seems to be my new townie play (when I get suspected I get over confident and cocky because I know my alignment)

Reacting is where the scummy stuff flow in. I got caught in that trap last game. >.<;
And good point on overconfidence.

 

[simsands]

Oops.

##UNVOTE: Empoleon_master

 

[mordacazir]

##VOTE:thegrovylekid

Trying to safe your scumbuddie?

 

[mordacazir]

Same with bb

 

[Scattered mind]

Trying to safe your scumbuddie?

I asked what's the initial case on SS's about. As long as I don't have any answers I can't make a full decision on him unlike other players including you.
You don't even know why you are voting. Or maybe now you have figured it out?

 

[Celever]

I asked what's the initial case on SS's about. As long as I don't have any answers I can't make a full decision on him unlike other players including you.
You don't even know why you are voting. Or maybe now you have figured it out?

SS's original case is that he kept stating he is town. This is a somewhat small thing to be called out on, but it's Day 1, and actually it's a surprisingly common trap which scum can fall into. Especially as this is SS's second time as scum IIRC.

 

[Squirtle Squad]

SS's original case is that he kept stating he is town. This is a somewhat small thing to be called out on, but it's Day 1, and actually it's a surprisingly common trap which scum can fall into. Especially as this is SS's second time as scum IIRC.

If I were scum, then technically it would be my third time. (But we are keeping Luis' Harry Potter well in the past, as I screwed over our whole scum team )
So yep, this would be my second, but I'm not scum soo....

 

[bbninjas]

Oh golly... What is even going on here :/

@Celever IE has come forward, for now I'm willing to bet that both Em and ie are town,

Shall we move on?

I think Camo, if his vote was not RVS, voted because of this, based on what he quoted later on, although I can't see this as anything particularly scummy. "Shall we move on" is probably the closest, but feels fairly neutral to me.

I am town.

Stating he is town like this is odd.

@Camoclone

Wanna explain your logic or is this just my turn for your D1 hunting?

Feels like a pretty standard response.

I'm not gonna speak for EM and I'm not scum buddies with him, nor am I scum trying to buddy with the Confo town,
But it's pretty obvious why he posted what he did.
From what I understood from all of this is that he wanted the pressure on him to stop, and clearly only posted what he needed to post to get people off his back.

This is where things, imo, starts to become odd. I've posted my thoughts on this at the bottom of this post. @Squirtle Squad; if you can respond to what I quoted there, that would be appreciated.

Yeah you did a great job explaining it here.

Why aren't people voting for this guy?

Camo says people should vote, and then Celever, morda, TGK all vote. Camo then questions the bandwagoning and why noone gives legitimate reasoning.

I simply repeated this because everyone was still going on about it, it simply needed to be repeated.

Not too sure what SS is meaning here tbh.

This whole "case" is built on nothing?

Seems oblivious of his scummy stuff, which is odd, since I did point strange stuff out before. That said, I don't think anyone (including SS) actually read that initially so it probably means nothing.

I mean come on camo you bold a few lines and suddenly it's a case, look at the people

Becomes aggressive, which I think is normal coming from SS at Camo? However, if the aggressiveness was at someone else, I'd be much more suspicious.

Who just jumped on? You have your real suspects now (looking at morda blindly bandwagoning on something he didn't understand)

Legitimate point, however this is shifting suspicions.

Haha mate, I was speaking against the people who were still considering lynching the guy who's clearly town.

Sounds like SS is clarifying himself. Exactly who he is directing this to I am unsure, but I think the "clearly town" is referring to EM/IE.

Sorry I don't brainlessly go along with every misconceived plan Your Worship. I'm sorry for having a different opinion to those who mindlessly bandwagon on everything you post.

Very aggressive, although more caused by irritation I think.

I'm town, and have an invested interested in particular for the character of Chrom to remain alive, for my sake.

AtE (Appeal to Emotion). Also, softclaim I think. This thing about Chrom makes sense in regards to this love interest claim he made later on...

Fine, let me just consult my scum chat and see what I should do from here (I'm at work)

Be back later in 6hours or so.

Yay sarcasm. Helps nothing, though I personally would consider this irritation.

TGK= much better option. Not once did I say I was clearly town due to evidence, I just simply stated that I was town, I don't expect you to believe me, but your comment contains nothing of relevance because it's full of things that I haven't said or done.
Eg: I never said people were mentioning me? Everyone was carrying on about this Em and ie business and I simply repeated myself that we were wasting time.

Reasonable defense to what some people are/were finding scummy, if I'm following correctly. However, he lacks defense towards the subject of AtE and his constant mentioning that he is town at this point.

I have a greater investment than just an ordinary townie. I'll post my role in a second and you'll understand.

AtE; perhaps not mafia AtE, though.

<Posts claim>
The Love Interest claim could mean his role interacts with another player's role (i.e. Chrom). If my suspicions are correct, SS's AtE does begin to make some sense as town "play".

That's trivial. I'm here to play the game, and I don't hold to any past rubbish, and neither should you.

Reasonable defense imo.

@bbninjas I addressed that same point to whoever it was that said "clearly" town. Not once did I say I was clearly town, because saying so would imply there was evidence to suggest it.
I simply stated my own alignment, no evidence just my "claim".

Clears up confusion in regards to the "clearly town" thing.

Yes sarcasm due to annoyance, this whole case on me was for nothing (OPINION!)

Pointing out that the case is nothing according to his opinion. I think this is a neutral thing, as both a townie and scum would want to clarify so they are not needlessly lynched.

and I'm getting targeted for reacting, which judging off the last couple of games seems to be my new townie play

Points out reacting is what he normally does. I'm not sure how accurate this statement is.

(when I get suspected I get over confident and cocky because I know my alignment)

Gives some (inadvertent?) defense to the "I'm town" and irritation/annoyance/aggressiveness issues. I wouldn't say it really points either way, as both town and scum can say this.
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While analyzing the case when writing this, I noticed that the case on SS seems to be worked up to be much more than it should be. The only legitimate points in this, imo, is the level of AtE SS used (slightly weakened by claim) and, of course, him restating that he is town/not-doing-scummy-stuff-like-buddying times (Celever explained this better). I am much more satisfied with my vote how it is at present.

 

[bbninjas]

If I were scum, then technically it would be my third time. (But we are keeping Luis' Harry Potter well in the past, as I screwed over our whole scum team )/QUOTE]
Nono, it counts. :U

 

[bbninjas]

>.>

If I were scum, then technically it would be my third time. (But we are keeping Luis' Harry Potter well in the past, as I screwed over our whole scum team )

Nono, it counts. :U