Finished Werewolf XXXI: Grima's Rebirth - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!

[Professor Palutena]

Between bbninjas, simsands and now empoleon_master, I have no idea what's going on anymore.

That said, I forgot about my vote on morda soooo:

##UNVERB: mordacazir

The way I see the discussion around bbninjas and simsands, I have the easiest time believing that bbninjas is right. Occam's Razor suggests that the simplest hypothesis is often the right one, and I think bb being right is the easiest hypothesis. Otherwise I need to assume that bbninjas was lying about his result which then requires figuring out a motive why he'd lie and it's too complicated for a guy like me who's doing homework in between making Werewolf posts.

That said, I would like to know why bbninjas picked simsands as opposed to anyone else. His silence on the matter is bothering.

For what it's worth, there are lots of villainous characters with Wyvern Rider as a reclass option which is something to consider. I know it's another probability thing, but it would explain his vote count if he did get a second seal.

In terms of information, here's what I see as the outcomes:
- lynch simsands. If he flips scum, bbninjas as basically cleared
- lynch simsands. If he flips town, bbninjas is basically lynched
- lynch bbninjas. If he doesn't flip lie detector, we have no information on simsands
- lynch bbninjas. If he flips lie detector, simsands is basically lynched

I'd put my vote on simsands if he weren't so close to being lynched. But I won't so that discussion can continue without the risk of scum hammering.

 

[thegrovylekid]

EM, that "trap" is extremely convoluted and luck-reliant to actually work. Besides, even if you did attack Celever and Celever stated it was someone else, that in no way proves he is scum because Celever wouldn't be told who he was attacked by, so he would be taking a stab in the dark at best.

I'm also kind of iffy with Vracken. I get that he's new, but I'm reading his posts as a lot of dumbtelling. Not sure if that's just me or not, though. I'm not very good at reading people. :/

 

[Empoleon_master]

I will admit my plan was convoluted, but it made sense, that and for the last time celever is scum. Noticed how he jumped on the me band wagon with camo before I could even reply, so quickly that should I have had a tracker skill a gm would not have even been able to give me a result?

 

[Camoclone]

What bandwagon? I never voted you.

 

[King Xerneas]

I will admit my plan was convoluted, but it made sense, that and for the last time celever is scum. Noticed how he jumped on the me band wagon with camo before I could even reply, so quickly that should I have had a tracker skill a gm would not have even been able to give me a result?

While I still do have a hunch that Celever is scum, that entire scheme you pulled off doesn't exactly scream town, and the only reason there was a "bandwagon" (btw 2 doesn't make a bandwagon) was mainly because you pulled off some seriously shady stuff that has compromised your innocence. Now I'm not even sure whether to believe you really are the Chrom we were lead to believe you are.

 

[King Xerneas]

You really don't want this to blow up in your face like it did for SS...we don't need to lose another town member simply for being reckless.

 

[Empoleon_master]

While I still do have a hunch that Celever is scum, that entire scheme you pulled off doesn't exactly scream town, and the only reason there was a "bandwagon" (btw 2 doesn't make a bandwagon) was mainly because you pulled off some seriously shady stuff that has compromised your innocence. Now I'm not even sure whether to believe you really are the Chrom we were lead to believe you are.

Someone was trying to start one and it was celever who, again day one had me like 4 votes away from being lynching because I asked what a phrase meant. <_<

 

[Empoleon_master]

##VOTE: EMPOLEON_MASTER

What bandwagon? I never voted you.

camoclone, meet your cylon clone, twin brother, camoclone, he's a mod too and voted for me, see he even has the same avatar as you. #can you say dumbtell?

 

[thegrovylekid]

EM, you still don't seem to grasp that Celever wouldn't be told who attacked him when he was attacked.

 

[Empoleon_master]

I do understand that, however if e lied and said he knew who attacked him and it was not me it was something to go off of.

 

[Professor Palutena]

I do understand that, however if e lied and said he knew who attacked him and it was not me it was something to go off of.

So you're saying you attacked Celever?

 

[Empoleon_master]

So you're saying you attacked Celever?

I said that explicitly in my reveal of what I was doing.

 

[thegrovylekid]

I do understand that, however if e lied and said he knew who attacked him and it was not me it was something to go off of.

Celever would not be told who attacked him so everything he could have said would have been a guess, not any assuredness.

If the hosts actually told Celever who attacked him that would be absurd, and then he still would have said you. I'm not sure how I can get you to understand this.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Celever would not be told who attacked him so everything he could have said would have been a guess, not any assuredness.

If the hosts actually told Celever who attacked him that would be absurd, and then he still would have said you. I'm not sure how I can get you to understand this.

I do understand this, I meant that it was another way I could uncover his claim to something, the main one was if he would say if he was attacked or not.

 

[thegrovylekid]

I do understand this, I meant that it was another way I could uncover his claim to something, the main one was if he would say if he was attacked or not.

/me sighs

##UNVOTE: simsands
##VOTE: Empoleon_Master

If Celever had said he had been attacked, then he wouldn't be lying, rendering your entire "plan" pointless. He obviously wouldn't be outright told who attacked him, and it would have been a guess at best. Celever did say he'd been attacked though, and he wasn't told who, so you couldn't lynch him on that front either.

This plan was never going to work and was a complete waste of everyone's time. While you could easily be Chrom, all you've done this entire game is waste everyone's time, and it's gotten to the point where I'm ready to policy lynch you. I was trying to be lenient with you because a) you're Chrom, and b) you're usually like this, but this "plan" specifically, as well as how you're playing right now, is frustrating and defies all logic. You're just being detrimental to the town.

And a word of advice: Keep it simple and straightforward. The more steps a plan has, the more likely it is to fail.

 

[Professor Palutena]

I really disagree with the idea of lynching E_m. Yes, I admit that his way of thinking is incredibly flawed and convoluted. Yes, I find his style of play irritating.

But he's the closest guy we have to a claimed townie and I really don't want to lynch a claim townie on account of "he's annoying". He's a number for the town in a game about numbers. A useless townie is still a townie and that counts for much more than their usefulness or lack their of.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Policy lynching would be fine if 1 it could happen 2 I still have useful a ilities 3 you could have just said "you were an idiot, don't pull something like this again, now let's move on"

 

[The Healer]

...Well, as the message is obviously not going through your thick skull, this vote is really pointless. But seriously, you are just wasting everyone's time.

##UNSlap: Empoleon_master

And Camo never unvoted, so his vote didn't count. That's probably what he meant by 'I never voted you'.

 

[Empoleon_master]

Here's something that shouldn't "waste everyone's time" how about we ask bbninjas to do a partial role claim as there's a 25/75 split to me on wheather or not bbninjas is scum, vs simandis. Note the 75% is in favor of him being town. So if we are semi split between one or the other being scum we can deduce which has scummier abilities and/or more valuable abilities to the town should the other get lynched. Think about it.

 

[bbninjas]

That said, I would like to know why bbninjas picked simsands as opposed to anyone else. His silence on the matter is bothering.

I did mention immediately after my claim why I chose simsands, and have reposted same/similar things once already, and other people have pointed out that I've already given my reasons when I've been asleep/at school and not around to respond.

camoclone, meet your cylon clone, twin brother, camoclone, he's a mod too and voted for me, see he even has the same avatar as you. #can you say dumbtell?

He never unvoted meaning he never voted...

Here's something that shouldn't "waste everyone's time" how about we ask bbninjas to do a partial role claim as there's a 25/75 split to me on wheather or not bbninjas is scum, vs simandis. Note the 75% is in favor of him being town. So if we are semi split between one or the other being scum we can deduce which has scummier abilities and/or more valuable abilities to the town should the other get lynched. Think about it.

How about we not. You are virtually the minority of one (maybe two) that really can't decide between simsands or myself as a decent vote. I'm not claiming just for you, as that is pro-scum not pro-town. If you want to make a decision, this is how I'd look at it: You lynch me, and you check if I'm telling the truth. I'm making a pretty early gambit if I was town to be revealing a seer/lie-detector early, and after how morda nearly ran off with the game last game, smart me would realise that such a gambit would be much less likely to work. This means that logically simsands will be more likely flip as scum, and assuming they do, we save an entire day.