Also anti-arceus was the stupidest thing why did u bring it up 
my own team NK'd me night 1 lmao it was so depressing.
my own team NK'd me night 1 lmao it was so depressing.
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I love how you decide to vote me purely for lurking when like half the players do that. Drac robin reinforce skyleaf etc.
Thing is, EM was mainly posting excuses and Camo was defending him to an extent. It just so happens that you've subbed in for him, and that's why the people who have voted for you have done so. You're in the shoes of the one who's actually technically being suspected.
You do know there's such a thing as draft messages, right? I've made a bunch of posts from mobile––heck, I've even updated Return of the Interspectaculars from mobile––which is a pain in the butt because of formatting my chapters.
So scum can kill their own in the night? What purpose would that even serve?
Reasons why I am scum (i'm not really ofc, just for arguments sake)
- random obscure musing from bb (boi u know ur case has nothing)
- blamed for interactions with camo and EM (who I subbed for, doesn't really apply to me much especially bc camo likes going after new players. saying EM/me is scum because of that is so random and shot in the dark its not even funny)
- lurking was busy not my fault
everyone voting me is bandwagoning for no real reason.
Reasons why KX is scum
- was inactive and posted nothing of substance, was very inactive, until he gets put on the spot and his scum buddies tell him to post of course
- doesn't even provide defense, just says that he's VT and doesn't care if he dies
- contradicts this by claiming wiretapper and saying he's dangerous to scum
- weak claim
- everything else valid that was in the cases made against him way back when
- very scummy and bandwagony
@Robin Aisaga they didn't know I was on their team it was weird but I had such an OP role lol, camo as wolf read me as a PR and NK'd me it was the worst
- random obscure musing from bb (boi u know ur case has nothing)
- blamed for interactions with camo and EM (who I subbed for, doesn't really apply to me much especially bc camo likes going after new players. saying EM/me is scum because of that is so random and shot in the dark its not even funny)
- lurking was busy not my fault
everyone voting me is bandwagoning for no real reason.
Reasons why KX is scum
- was inactive and posted nothing of substance, was very inactive, until he gets put on the spot and his scum buddies tell him to post of course
- doesn't even provide defense, just says that he's VT and doesn't care if he dies
- contradicts this by claiming wiretapper and saying he's dangerous to scum
- weak claim
- everything else valid that was in the cases made against him way back when
- very scummy and bandwagony
@Robin Aisaga they didn't know I was on their team it was weird but I had such an OP role lol, camo as wolf read me as a PR and NK'd me it was the worst
Also says my posts were scummy and not helpful or whatever, with zero examples.
Also usually when checking from phone i don't have time to read everything and make actual thought out posts. Apparently that makes me scum. What I don't get is why scattered voted me. Guess he could easily be scum bandwagoning to save KX, if KX is lynched when he flips scum I'm going after scattered
Using a phone isn't the best excuse to avoid posting.... I play all WW games here on my mobile, and all my posts are from my mobile.. This is hardly an excuse..
And yeah, there are certainly elements of you that are scummy.. EM and camos interactions are what (in my eyes) make you truly scummy, but you yourself haven't provided much this game.
Camo will often attack his own scum partners. His interactions with EM are borderline buddying, defending and also attacking, something he does to his scum partners.
Not sure about anyone else here, but I'm pretty confident KX is town. I've never played a game like this before, but I feel like he's worried because he has a role that seems very safeclaim-ish but isn't.
Go have some epic music:
All these animation urges when I'm crap at animating... why... Well, there's only one solution. 3 FPS GO GO GO!
Why are you tagging Robin? Unless Robin asked the same thing and I missed it, I'm pretty sure my name reads PikaMasterJesi... (Went back and checked, and there's nothing from him/her on that.)
Thanks for proving my point, SS.
Go have some epic music:
By saying I'm scummy by being inactive that also calls every other person who isn't very active scummy too. I was subbed in around the time of finals week which makes my ability to participate next to none, but my summer break started this week which luckily for me allows me more time to defend myself against Celever's case. And the only "bandwagon" I hopped on was yours (and technically Camo's but he was confoscum so why wouldn't I vote for him). I brought up a point of you going right after me the second suspicion was raised about me. I already made many posts describing my "want to die" and at this point the only thing scummy about me is a safe-claimy role. And before someone else brings up Celever's case on the list (which is the only thing of substance in his case) it falls flat based on the fact that PP made no connection of him being Pearl Fey, or being connected to TGK, or anything. People were thinking Wendy Oldbag was the safeclaim and we still don't know if Pearl was the only safeclaim on that list. Scum got lucky by NK'ing PP, that's it.
What if I flip town??
I've provided just as much as most other people, and more than you. The point was I'm usually out and about and don't have time to fully read everything and type out a thought-out post. Camo has gone after just about everyone at some point in the games he's been in. Weak evidence, especially with what we have on KX. You're bandwagoning and echoeing bb. @bbninjas do you think KX is scum?
Robin was inquiring about a previous WW game I was in.
Then I'll look into everyone who pushed your lynch. I'll be suspect too ofc. I 100% think you are scum at this point
IIRC, Camo would never defend his scum buddy. He would go to an extend to lynch that but not defend. So that he does not get lynched when the one he defend flipped scum
(Just a quick sneak while at work)
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Why are you suddenly intent on trying to save yourself? Earlier, you were very confident and said that your death wouldn't matter much because you're vanilla and used up your ability or something along those lines. This post has a casual/resigned tone, but the words themselves hint at inward panic.
This is another typical excuse that scum tend to use to stall for time. I initially was suspicious of you due to your role claim, but posts like these don't help reduce the suspicion in my eyes.
Furthermore, I doubt that could happen with the wiretapping/spying ability you have. Why? Because there is no third party counter-checking here. If you post something, there is no other player here that could say you're possibly lying. So, you could fabricate a QT quote and no one would be able to tell. Subsequently, it wouldn't ably 'confirm' your role claim/wiretapping ability.
That's happened before, actually; on Werewolf XVII Universe as I recall reading on past games for role ideas when I hosted. And while that sounds like it could work in theory, bear in mind what simsands has pointed out earlier as well: Dogger's flip has revealed that he can make the nightkill fail, so if the poison was the nightkill, then his death would have to be from something else. And yet he was the first to reveal about being poisoned, way back Day 1. Well, you could factor in the complexities of possible ability blocking or boosting, but this is the simplest explanation.
Interesting observation, but I could honestly see this as WIFOM also. It's comparable to the Camo vs Celever argument, which we've discussed can be staged or planned on their part. Considering that even in death Camo seems to be playing WIFOM with us in his posts that TGK has been sharing, I wouldn't put it past him.
For me though, I'm more convinced on the KX case, because it's not just his posts that have gotten my attention for being suspicious, but his role claim originally, so...
I'm going to take this suggestion.
##GOTCHA: King Xerneas
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Why are you suddenly intent on trying to save yourself? Earlier, you were very confident and said that your death wouldn't matter much because you're vanilla and used up your ability or something along those lines. This post has a casual/resigned tone, but the words themselves hint at inward panic.
This is another typical excuse that scum tend to use to stall for time. I initially was suspicious of you due to your role claim, but posts like these don't help reduce the suspicion in my eyes.
Furthermore, I doubt that could happen with the wiretapping/spying ability you have. Why? Because there is no third party counter-checking here. If you post something, there is no other player here that could say you're possibly lying. So, you could fabricate a QT quote and no one would be able to tell. Subsequently, it wouldn't ably 'confirm' your role claim/wiretapping ability.
That's happened before, actually; on Werewolf XVII Universe as I recall reading on past games for role ideas when I hosted. And while that sounds like it could work in theory, bear in mind what simsands has pointed out earlier as well: Dogger's flip has revealed that he can make the nightkill fail, so if the poison was the nightkill, then his death would have to be from something else. And yet he was the first to reveal about being poisoned, way back Day 1. Well, you could factor in the complexities of possible ability blocking or boosting, but this is the simplest explanation.
Interesting observation, but I could honestly see this as WIFOM also. It's comparable to the Camo vs Celever argument, which we've discussed can be staged or planned on their part. Considering that even in death Camo seems to be playing WIFOM with us in his posts that TGK has been sharing, I wouldn't put it past him.
For me though, I'm more convinced on the KX case, because it's not just his posts that have gotten my attention for being suspicious, but his role claim originally, so...
I'm going to take this suggestion.
##GOTCHA: King Xerneas
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05-12-2016
06:30 PM ET (US)
The quoted past game re grant's meta is useless, Camo tried lynching him because he read grant's lurk/inactive meta as town, not scum. If Camo had thought grant was scum based on that meta he wouldn't have suggested his lynch.
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05-12-2016
06:12 PM ET (US)
Hey bbninjas, tgk is confirmed town, trying to discredit him after the fact means you are scum.
And I'm gone again.
bb does the future reference thing all the time. In games you've definitely played in. Looks to me like you're fishing here.
You come very close to rationalizing your fish, but no. It's obvious bb isn't hiding anything that you couldn't have found out for yourself; he's just marking a post because for whatever reason he doesn't like to keep a doc of stuff he's noticed.
You very carefully deny that it's a role fish, but make no comment on it being fishing of a different sort.
And share his thoughts with the scum, too? Come on, Celever. Reads benefit the scum, too. Especially when they're unnecessary at the time you call for them.
Camo called you out at the time for this being a soft backpedal, and now that I see it, it really bugs me. You didn't mention the flavor or the omission of abilities when you called for tgk to claim.
Damnit I can't tell a lie; I am scum!!
I believe it was you who said "I'm probably going to get called out for XXX" helps no one. Hypocritical, then?
Camo's tunneling of you isn't anything out of the ordinary.
But now it's his scum meta.
Whoa whoa whoa. After all you went through Day 1 to get bb to reveal why he future-reference'd a random post? This is getting ridiculous.I'll keep my sources close to my chest I think.
Points for Celever:
- He's scumhunting, I'll give him that. Although, Camo also manages to scumhunt while scum, so I'm not putting too much stock in this.
- Frustration over lack of cases.
- Camo pushing for his lynch late Day 1/early Day 2 or thereabouts. This seems really close to WIFOM to me, though.
- Mild fishing.
- Backpedalling.
- Hypocrisy (or LaL, if you want to call it that).
- Contradictions.
Are you saying there's another kind of fish? Like, a reads fish? Because I've never heard of this before. >_>
At the time, I assumed TGK was smart enough to change his Role PM where appropriate. I've talked earlier in this game about how town shouldn't have to riddle their posts with disclaimers.
Looking at his play during this game though, I think you're right about me having to spell things out from him in basic terms! n_n"
Yeah it's fluff, I know. As is your above struck through comment. When the player isn't posting content, they want to omit as much fluff as they can, and that comment was directed to EM. You see the difference?
I was using a double entendre. I was kinda mad at Camo's tunnelling yesterday, just like yours today.
At the time, I said why his future reference couldn't be to do with a role, whereas all clearing of town will be associated with a role. Therefore, there is a major difference. What Xerneas (IIRC) did was a role fish, whereas I apparently did a reads fish or some new made up term.
Do you see why I am getting annoyed now?
Your case has no content. Out of the ~200 or w/e posts (probably a lot more like 300 actually) I've made in this game, you found 11 posts in which you could find
major reaches to try and push my lynch on. Quit tunnelling.
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I'm in so many minds about grant and KX rn, uhani. We're all currently tied with 4 votes, which is a really paranoid place to be in. @double o squirtle, @quakingpunch73, how many hours from whenever you answer this question is deadline? I'll be on as close to it as possible and be keeping up with the thread on my phone during the day. I may have to place a self-pres vote today, and I'm sure Xerneas and grant are prepared to do the same. Right now, I'm still more interested in a vote on Xerneas than grant, but I'll be interested in the defense he provides.
@GM DracLord, your reasoning for voting for me was because everyone else was and there weren't any alternatives. Well, now I'm tied with Xerneas and grant, and the latter is someone you've never talked about yet. Want to share thoughts before deadline?
Or maybe I should have phrased that better, since "want" implies you have a choice. It's fine if you vote for me, just justify it, please. Your one piece of reasoning has now been removed.
Or maybe I should have phrased that better, since "want" implies you have a choice.
It's fine if you vote for me, just justify it, please. Your one piece of reasoning has now been removed.
Partly speaking as a mod now, but please watch the flaming and insults everyone. It is fine to affront and question particular moves made by a player. But directly targeting the player is not okay in my book. And shouldn't be taking too far not in this game or anywhere else. Please keep this in mind.
My understanding of PR is something that is particularly helpful for the town. Seer and doctor are obvious, as are roles like jailers/blockers, trackers/watchers and other things that can either stop scum's kill or find scum.
But you said before that there were other reasons. You also ignored the reason of "read grant's posts and you'll find that they're generally a sitting on the edge or observing the scumhunt from the outside". This is probably the more important piece of evidence on you - I certainly won't build a case solely from lurking unless I was completely stuck.
I did not say that (being "not helpful"). I think your posts are odd. They aren't sitting well with me. They have this contributing feel to it, but as I said, it feels like you're more watching and letting it happen.
I think it's possible. While I think you're a better lynch atm, I do feel a lot like either you or King X is scum. Especially because of how votes have been going. Something's weird with these votes. We had half on Celever, and half on King X. Then we had roughly an equal amount on all three options. This rarely happens - everyone either stays or shifts, but rarely enough to make a tie. I think this could indicate a reluctant scumteam somewhere.
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