Finished Werewolf XXXIII: Order in the Court!- Congratulations Law!
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If tgk claims now, and he dies, his role is confirmed and the people or person he says is town is confirmed town. If he dies without claiming then anyone who claims to be his mason buddy is just wifom. I believe he is town, I just don't know why he's not cooperating. He won't give a reason either so we're stuck with this as the only option, to treat him as scum.
I also am leaning that TGK is town at this point, if only because of the low level of resistance. I feel like a couple of players have pushed his lynch too hard, so I will be looking into them tomorrow. It's annoying that we're wasting a lynch on a somewhat likely townie but his partners aren't coming forward, nor would I want them to honestly. Yes, having 2 softs would be nice. However, we still want Maya to remain secret as it does expose TGK to death, even if we lynch him. Furthermore, I can picture there being a certain level of distrust in the mason chat because of this list.
The one thing which makes me think TGK could be scum is this post:
But this nicely brings me onto my next point I'd like to discuss, which is TGK's odd conclusion that safe claims are closely related to the real roles. This has never been the case in the history of the site, and I even explained to him why this is such a bad thing when we hosted Melee, which is why the scumteam was made of a fairly random assortment of characters -- good and evil. If your safe claim is always going to be a character who could be linked to your real role name, then it's not safe. Saying "Oldbag is probably the safe claim because she's kinda similar to the murderer in the case in which she appears" is fundamentally flawed, and shouldn't be a line of reasoning brought up again.
True safe claims are a mixture of major and minor characters. If a major characters like Edgeworth, Gumshoe or The Judge isn't a safeclaim then this game fails at that part of design, and I think the hosts are good enough to circumvent this issue.
Not saying Oldbag isn't the safe claim -- I'm saying we shouldn't assume.
The one thing which makes me think TGK could be scum is this post:
Maya and Pearl are "cleaned" by flavour. Flavour cleans players on very rare occasions. As in, me in Revelation is the only instance in the history of my time on this site. I can already think of someone who could possibly work despite the "Kurain Channeling Technique" ability name -- Mimi Miney. She was an impostor for Maya in her case, so the whole impostor thing could hypothetically be carried over to her safe.
But this nicely brings me onto my next point I'd like to discuss, which is TGK's odd conclusion that safe claims are closely related to the real roles. This has never been the case in the history of the site, and I even explained to him why this is such a bad thing when we hosted Melee, which is why the scumteam was made of a fairly random assortment of characters -- good and evil. If your safe claim is always going to be a character who could be linked to your real role name, then it's not safe. Saying "Oldbag is probably the safe claim because she's kinda similar to the murderer in the case in which she appears" is fundamentally flawed, and shouldn't be a line of reasoning brought up again.
True safe claims are a mixture of major and minor characters. If a major characters like Edgeworth, Gumshoe or The Judge isn't a safeclaim then this game fails at that part of design, and I think the hosts are good enough to circumvent this issue.
Not saying Oldbag isn't the safe claim -- I'm saying we shouldn't assume.
TGK seems to know that Maya and Pearl are cleared through his mason chat.
He's not actually a mason if Maya and/or Pearl are safeclaims. He's a neighbor.
He's insisting that he's a mason though, so he knows Maya and Pearl are in the game. Maybe mod confirmation in their chat?
He's not actually a mason if Maya and/or Pearl are safeclaims. He's a neighbor.
He's insisting that he's a mason though, so he knows Maya and Pearl are in the game. Maybe mod confirmation in their chat?
I'm 99% sure TGK is just being naive.
Oldbag would most likely be the safe claim, as she doesn't have as much of an impact in the games as the other four. That's my logic behind the claims.
Also, correction: Dee Vasquez was the murderer in Turnabout Samurai, PW:AA's third case.
Also, correction: Dee Vasquez was the murderer in Turnabout Samurai, PW:AA's third case.
You are allowed to quote QT's, no one said you couldn't!
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That's not how it works.
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I guess. I suppose having to have Maya alive balances it out a bit, but I'd still rather keep tgk alive. It would put us in a better position, lynchwise, for day two. If tgk outs his partners we can lynch anyone else and reduce the chances of mislynching by a significant amount. And while the scum would also have an idea who Maya is, they would have to guess correctly--if they went for her at all--and then still have to deal with two clears in the morning, not to mention if there is a doctor in the setup and they protect correctly, there is a small but nonzero chance we could come out of night one completely clean.
I guess he could give us the name of the non-Maya mason. That way we could still have two clears, avoid the guaranteed mislynch, and Maya would still be hidden from the town.
I guess he could give us the name of the non-Maya mason. That way we could still have two clears, avoid the guaranteed mislynch, and Maya would still be hidden from the town.
WHY DIDNT YOU ANSWER ME ASDSFGHJKL
Oh, lucky for you, you eventually did after PMJ asked. I can't believe how scummy and unhelpful you are being right now, though.
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