Finished Werewolf XXXIII: Order in the Court!- Congratulations Law!

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I have reservations with this case on grant. I was mulling it over, and in no circumstances is it /actually/ the optimal thag a scum dies. There is a major difference between EM being expendable and being derogatory. A town lynch will always be better. Camo actually started and pursued the case on EM, whereas it would have been much better play to simply abstain from commenting on him (which Camo also wouldn't've got called out for). EM is expendable, yes, but his being derogatory to discussion is still beneficial to scum as it spreads confusion. Therefore, I don't think that the reasoning on grant is stalwart enough.

I'd be up for a Drac lynch if others vote for him though.
 
Celever said:
Your case has no content. Out of the ~200 or w/e posts (probably a lot more like 300 actually) I've made in this game, you found 11 posts in which you could find
major reaches to try and push my lynch on. Quit tunnelling.
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I admit I skim-read through the last ten to fifteen pages, but tbh a lot of your 200-300 posts are fluff. Nothing particularly scummy, but nothing particularly town-y, either. I think the points for you being scum are better than those for you being town, and certainly better than those on KX rn.
bbninjas said:
@ Jabberwock

"I believe it was you who said "I'm probably going to get called out for XXX" helps no one"
That was me iirc.

Anyways, I think Jabber brought up all legit points on Celever and most posts I find (or found) suspicious or odd. There was a couple that I think there is a logical explanation for, like the saying Camo is playing neutral meta and then scum meta, because it could've been more the fact that Camo doesn't tunnel as much as town. (Which may or may not be true, I'm not sure.)

My issue is that I don't feel like those scummy posts are enough ground for a lynch. I think they're more useful later in the game if he is still alive, and then can be used to lynch him along with any other consistencies.

And the more nitpicky stuff:


This is my opinion on WIFOM, and why I feel like you're misusing the term "WIFOM": Everything in WW is WIFOM. Cases especially can be turned into WIFOM by any skilled player. I personally think WIFOM is generally only a tell when someone is suggesting a point is invalid because it could be true, however the suggest scenario is unlikely. I think WIFOM is a legitimate when suggesting a point is invalid because of a scenario that is likely true.

I'm also unsure why you didn't comment on the points of "Camo trying to get Celever lynched" and "Celever trying to get discussion happening".

tl;dr While Celever has made some scummy plays, I don't think it is enough to warrant a lynch this early into the game. I think this points could become valid late game, but right now, there is too much pro-town stuff Celever has done in my opinion, and thus I am thinking Celever is town atm.
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bbninjas said:
Also, something else that makes me question the King X lynch is why he didn't just push for the Celever lynch to save himself.
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In your opinion, is the KX lynch better than the Celever one, and why?
 
bbninjas said:
"I believe it was you who said "I'm probably going to get called out for XXX" helps no one"
That was me iirc.
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Yeah, that was you, because I was all like "Okay, whatever, I put this out here, but I'm going to get called out for tunneling or something..." and then you said the above and voted me.

Meanwhile, we're still relying on an RNG lynch? On three people?! Jeez, does this normally happen in a deadlock...? I'd do another quick half-effort drawing for this, but that'd take too long and I have to go to school and stuff.

(Is it really one day until my birthday? Kinda hard to believe, actually. At least the Regionals I'm going to play in tomorrow is keeping me from just obsessing over my birthday at every possible moment. Birthdays are a cool thing. Werewolf is also a cool thing.)
 
Is there a link to the case on GM? We could easily turn this 3-way deadlock into lynching a scum member if we all put in the effort.
 
Reinforce said:
Furthermore, I doubt that could happen with the wiretapping/spying ability you have. Why? Because there is no third party counter-checking here. If you post something, there is no other player here that could say you're possibly lying. So, you could fabricate a QT quote and no one would be able to tell. Subsequently, it wouldn't ably 'confirm' your role claim/wiretapping ability.
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Since I technically have the ability to spy on the deadchat, I would hopefully get a post from them and they could confirm its legitimacy. Also I'm defending myself because there was a chance I could narrowly avoid a lynch since we were in a deadlock.
 
Jabberwock said:
You want to rephrase that, Cel? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean, but I do believe it's in the town's best interests to lynch scum. o.o
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That was a counter to bb's points about Camo wanting to lynch EM, so it was clearly written from Camo's perspective. And it was from my phone between classes, hence the crappy grammar. :U

##UNVOTE VOTE: GM DracLord

@quakingpunch73, @double o squirtle, could we get a vote count please?
 
What I find really interesting is that no one seemed to pay attention to the case except for Drac, who seemed glad(?) to have a case on them. That rubbed me the wrong way and was just very off, I have no other way to explain it but that way. Either way the case seems to know where it's going so I'll go with it

##unvote: grant

##vote: GMDraclord
 
dead PMJ said:
tgk I really hope you're lurking in this chat because this is obviously a scum plot to force the lynch into RNG. Note how Celever is magically fine with a Drac lynch if he gets more votes and does not even care to pursue a wagon on KX or grant. The more people with a tie vote, the lower the chances that Celever will get lynched.
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As a side note, most of the points on Drac were just normal drac things in the case. Why lynch him for being himself?
 
@PMJ, that doesn't even make sense. I'm taking a vote off KX to put it on Drac, so it's providing no more tied options. Drac is just more scummy than KX at this point (and both are scummier than grant).
 
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