Discussion What Different Pokemon Supporters, Items and Stadiums do You Want to See?

taschen88 said:
Dragon support!! Remember that thread? Lol things got pretty heated.

Would love to see a Stadium card similar to Forest of the Giant Plants, but for Dragons.... Dragonstone? Mt. Valyria?
Or something like Blacksmith, but for Dragons? "Attach 2 Basic Energy from your Discard Pile to 1 of your [N] Pokémon."
I'm glad Noivern-GX exists but that card aside, Dragons need a few good cards to make them worth playing again.
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Yeah, I do but the support doesn't need to be broken and they should stay away from effect like FoGP. I also don't think a Pokemon should be considered playable for the sake of its type. They are pretty good as is right now and without DDE, we should be seeing them get more reasonable attack cost so I don't think we need Trainers to buff them when they already have been buffed. Not the whole type needs to be playable but the Colorless type needs some actual work.

Most of the cards suggested here are broken and are things I don't want to see. Allowing Lunala-GX to hit the board in a turn breaks the Psychic type. What we need are Pokemon to play specific roles in decks and maybe do archetypes depending on the Pokemon's type and species. Oh, I'd also like to see something that hits the Fairy type hard since the whole type is busted for no reason at all and I'd like to see them stay away from x30 attacks.
 
You know, if they don't reprint Professor Sycamore, I could totally see them using Samson Oak as the new "Discard hand and draw 7" since they didn't use Professor Kukui.
 
Digital Dragon said:
That's a good idea for Exeggutor Island. Something like "each players Pokemon with alolan in the name has free retreat". Though if that were in a set, I would want them to finally print Alolan Marowak and Exeggutor. :p
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They need to print Alolan Marowak and Alolan Exegguctor at least once anyway. We'll probably see more than one print of them. I just hope some are in their alternate forms.
 
I had done some cards for fun a couple months back and I guess I could share some?

Savage Energy – Special Energy
This energy counts as any type of energy, but only provides one at a time. It can only be attached to Dragon pokemon. The attacks of the Pokemon this is attached to do 10 more damage.

Sprout Energy – Special Energy
This energy counts as a [G] energy, but can only be attached to [G] Pokemon. When this energy is discarded, search your deck for a [G] Pokemon and put it into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterwards. You cannot use this effect more than once a turn.

Sunnyshore Receiving – Stadium
Once during your turn you may look at the top 3 cards of your deck. If you find an item there, put it into your hand and place the other two cards in any order you like. If you don't find an item card, shuffle your deck.

Great Marsh – Stadium
Active Pokemon with 3 or more [C] in their retreat cost may not retreat.

Sticky Barb – Tool
Place this on one of your opponent's Pokemon that doesn't have a tool card attached. This pokemon takes 20 damage whenever they use an attack. If the Pokemon holding this tool attacks a Pokemon without a held item, move Sticky Barb to that Pokemon.

Steel Worker – Supporter
Search your deck for a [M] Pokemon and a tool card and put them into your hand. Shuffle your deck afterwards

Choking Ivy – Stadium
Neither player may take cards out of their discard pile while this stadium is in play.

Recycle – Item
Both you and your opponent discard a card from your hand and then shuffle 2 item cards back into your deck except for Recycle.
 
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crystal_pidgeot said:
Yeah, I do but the support doesn't need to be broken and they should stay away from effect like FoGP. I also don't think a Pokemon should be considered playable for the sake of its type. They are pretty good as is right now and without DDE, we should be seeing them get more reasonable attack cost so I don't think we need Trainers to buff them when they already have been buffed. Not the whole type needs to be playable but the Colorless type needs some actual work.

Most of the cards suggested here are broken and are things I don't want to see. Allowing Lunala-GX to hit the board in a turn breaks the Psychic type. What we need are Pokemon to play specific roles in decks and maybe do archetypes depending on the Pokemon's type and species. Oh, I'd also like to see something that hits the Fairy type hard since the whole type is busted for no reason at all and I'd like to see them stay away from x30 attacks.
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Hrmm I still think Dragons need a huge boost this SM era. A supporter like Blacksmith wouldn't hurt, granted that DDE won't be reprinted... OK fine, I suppose a Dragon version of Forest of the Giant Plants would be OP is overpowered, but only if "Dragon Blacksmith" or other Dragon-centered cards exist. It's not like anyone is afraid of Dragon decks these days. I hope you're right about Dragons getting cheaper Energy cost attacks since DDE is rotating out of Standard... if not, I really hope something like "Dragon Blacksmith" would pop up real soon.

Gardevoir-GX aside, IMO Fairy type isn't busted. This SM era gave rose to more Metal decks such Metagross-GX, Solgaleo (GX/non-GX), and with new trainer cards shed new light to Scizor-EX and to a lesser extent, Genesect-EX and AT Excadrill. Side-note: there needs to be theme decks that put Dragon and Fairy on spotlight. Not from a competitive perspective at all, but from a thematic one. Last time Dragon was in a theme deck was with the release of XY Roaring Skies, and Fairy with the release of XY Fates Collide (more like Fairy on the side, blechh).


Kyrushi said:
I had done some cards for fun a couple months back and I guess I could share some?

Savage Energy – Special Energy
This energy counts as any type of energy, but only provides one at a time. It can only be attached to Dragon pokemon. The attacks of the Pokemon this is attached to do 10 more damage.

Sprout Energy – Special Energy
This energy counts as a [G] energy, but can only be attached to [G] Pokemon. When this energy is discarded, search your deck for a [G] Pokemon. Shuffle your deck afterwards. You cannot use this effect more than once a turn.

Sunnyshore Receiving – Stadium
Once during your turn you may look at the top 3 cards of your deck. If you find an item there, put it into your hand and place the other two cards in any order you like. If you don't find an item card, shuffle your deck.

Great Marsh – Stadium
Active Pokemon with 3 or more [C] in their retreat cost may not switch or retreat.

Sticky Barb – Tool
Place this on your opponent's Pokemon that don't have a tool card attached. This pokemon takes 20 damage whenever they use an attack. If the attacked Pokemon has no item attached, move this card onto them.

Steel Worker – Supporter
Search your deck for a [M] Pokemon and a tool card. Shuffle your deck afterwards

ChokingIvy – Stadium
Neither player may access their discard pile while this stadium is in play.

Recycle – Item
Both you and your opponent discard a card from your hand and then shuffle 2 item cards back into your deck except for Recycle.
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OOOOOO I love these!!
Savage Energy sounds fitting for Dragons! An old to the original Darkness Energy from Neo Genesis way, way back 16 years ago.
Sprout Energy - good effect but needs to be more specific where the searched [G] Pokémon card goes to. Most probably your hand, right?
Steel Worker secures ideal evolution conditions for Mega Scizor-EX, or gets any other Metal Pokémon for that matter with Choice Band.
Sunnyshore Receiving - we'll all be dead targets to Trashalanche, but lol this card is good. And it's a Stadium, so it's fair to the opponent as well.
Choking Ivy - is this limited to card retrieval via Ability/Trainer card/Attack effects? Or blocks all effects pertaining to the discard pile altogether, thus blocking Marshadow-GX, Night March, and Revenge?
Recycle - there's been a card with this name in the original TCG era, though I'm not sure if it was the base set or not, then reprinted much later in the BW era, but I like your idea better. Could be abused though, granting that it's an Item card.
 
taschen88 said:
OOOOOO I love these!!
Savage Energy sounds fitting for Dragons! An old to the original Darkness Energy from Neo Genesis way, way back 16 years ago.
Sprout Energy - good effect but needs to be more specific where the searched [G] Pokémon card goes to. Most probably your hand, right?
Steel Worker secures ideal evolution conditions for Mega Scizor-EX, or gets any other Metal Pokémon for that matter with Choice Band.
Sunnyshore Receiving - we'll all be dead targets to Trashalanche, but lol this card is good. And it's a Stadium, so it's fair to the opponent as well.
Choking Ivy - is this limited to card retrieval via Ability/Trainer card/Attack effects? Or blocks all effects pertaining to the discard pile altogether, thus blocking Marshadow-GX, Night March, and Revenge?
Recycle - there's been a card with this name in the original TCG era, though I'm not sure if it was the base set or not, then reprinted much later in the BW era, but I like your idea better. Could be abused though, granting that it's an Item card.
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Sprout Energy puts the card into your hand, yes.
Choking Ivy prevents you from taking cards out of it. So I suppose that should be further explained. Abilities that use the discard pile e.g. Marshadow GX would be fine, but Darkrai GX's ability would not because it would remove him from the discard pile.
Recycle I felt would be fair this way because it benefits both you and the opponent unless the opponent is top decking and cannot discard.

I updated the descriptions of things that weren't specific enough.

I'm glad you like these!
 
taschen88 said:
Hrmm I still think Dragons need a huge boost this SM era. A supporter like Blacksmith wouldn't hurt, granted that DDE won't be reprinted... OK fine, I suppose a Dragon version of Forest of the Giant Plants would be OP is overpowered, but only if "Dragon Blacksmith" or other Dragon-centered cards exist. It's not like anyone is afraid of Dragon decks these days. I hope you're right about Dragons getting cheaper Energy cost attacks since DDE is rotating out of Standard... if not, I really hope something like "Dragon Blacksmith" would pop up real soon.

Gardevoir-GX aside, IMO Fairy type isn't busted. This SM era gave rose to more Metal decks such Metagross-GX, Solgaleo (GX/non-GX), and with new trainer cards shed new light to Scizor-EX and to a lesser extent, Genesect-EX and AT Excadrill. Side-note: there needs to be theme decks that put Dragon and Fairy on spotlight. Not from a competitive perspective at all, but from a thematic one. Last time Dragon was in a theme deck was with the release of XY Roaring Skies, and Fairy with the release of XY Fates Collide (more like Fairy on the side, blechh).




OOOOOO I love these!!
Savage Energy sounds fitting for Dragons! An old to the original Darkness Energy from Neo Genesis way, way back 16 years ago.
Sprout Energy - good effect but needs to be more specific where the searched [G] Pokémon card goes to. Most probably your hand, right?
Steel Worker secures ideal evolution conditions for Mega Scizor-EX, or gets any other Metal Pokémon for that matter with Choice Band.
Sunnyshore Receiving - we'll all be dead targets to Trashalanche, but lol this card is good. And it's a Stadium, so it's fair to the opponent as well.
Choking Ivy - is this limited to card retrieval via Ability/Trainer card/Attack effects? Or blocks all effects pertaining to the discard pile altogether, thus blocking Marshadow-GX, Night March, and Revenge?
Recycle - there's been a card with this name in the original TCG era, though I'm not sure if it was the base set or not, then reprinted much later in the BW era, but I like your idea better. Could be abused though, granting that it's an Item card.
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They need to stay away from Trainer based Energy acceleration because it's how you break types.
 
I would love to see something like this card
Ultra Space
Once during your turn you may search your deck for an Ultra Beast Card and put it into the lost zone. Your other Ultra Beast cards can now use the GX attack of the pokemon in the lost zone. (you can only use one GX attack per game)
 
Pikachu6319 said:
Yeah well something has to be done for dragon if they want it to be anything resembling viable without DDE.
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No one has said anything as to why they need to be viable. name one type where more than half the Pokemon are viable? Right now because of Kiawe, Fire types are the most viable because of their broken Supporter card. We don't need cards like that in the game and viable has always been a subjective term. Gardevoir-GX is the only viable Fairy type Pokemon, so should we give Fairy more support because of one broken card?

The Dragon type is on track with being viable. There aren't many of them that exist but Noivern-GX is viable and has the support it needs. Many Pokemon in a type have the support they need to be functional. For every one Pokemon of a type that is functional, another 15 aren't. Like I said before, the Colorless type is the one in need of support since they have nothing to work with.
 
Colorless were never meant to be a type of their own, they're meant to be in any deck, hence the ability to use any type of energy in the game. One can't say the same for dragon type Pokémon because for the most part they need two different types of energy and often then some to work. And they don't even all work on the same type. Right now as a whole they are lamer versions of colorless and I'm sorry but IMO that is just not right. If a game is going to make a new type that 'should' function on their own they need to have the support to make it so.

Tell me what sort of support you think they could use. Assuming they're taken as their own type they can use any energy which is more than most pokemon types can say.
 
Pikachu6319 said:
Colorless were never meant to be a type of their own, they're meant to be in any deck, hence the ability to use any type of energy in the game. One can't say the same for dragon type Pokémon because for the most part they need two different types of energy and often then some to work. And they don't even all work on the same type. Right now as a whole they are lamer versions of colorless and I'm sorry but IMO that is just not right. If a game is going to make a new type that 'should' function on their own they need to have the support to make it so.

Tell me what sort of support you think they could use. Assuming they're taken as their own type they can use any energy which is more than most pokemon types can say.
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Colorless is a type and people seem to be forgetting this. I'd like to see other types its grouped with become their own type for the reason you mention but the Dragon type is also intended to be a splash in for specific decks with powerful attacks and abilities. They weren't ever intended to be their own deck but to support another deck and be big and imposing.

The goal at this point should be to make cards more interesting and not make things that can break the type. Dragon Pokemon has the cost they did because of DDE and now they are becoming more standard because there are no plans to reprint it.
 
No one...no let me speak for myself, I am not forgetting colorless is a type. You're omitting the part where I said colorless were never meant to be a type OF THEIR OWN, just as you say dragon was never meant to be a type OF IT'S OWN. Let's be clear here though, we will likely never have colorless branch off from it's other things (what is it now, basically normal and flying?) just as we are most likely guaranteed to never see poison on it's own or ice split off from water or any other splits for the simple reason that it would make things complicated. Just as you say dragon is supposed to support another deck, that is also colorless's fate and has been from way back in Base Set. You should not argue that colorless needs something and say that dragon does not.

I for one feel dragon support, depending on how it's done, doesn't have to be something that breaks the type. The same thing can be said for colorless, I just know which one I would prefer get the attention and that's the one that they are trying to pass of as it's own type as opposed to the one whose purpose they've made clear since day one.
 
Pikachu6319 said:
No one...no let me speak for myself, I am not forgetting colorless is a type. You're omitting the part where I said colorless were never meant to be a type OF THEIR OWN, just as you say dragon was never meant to be a type OF IT'S OWN. Let's be clear here though, we will likely never have colorless branch off from it's other things (what is it now, basically normal and flying?) just as we are most likely guaranteed to never see poison on it's own or ice split off from water or any other splits for the simple reason that it would make things complicated. Just as you say dragon is supposed to support another deck, that is also colorless's fate and has been from way back in Base Set. You should not argue that colorless needs something and say that dragon does not.

I for one feel dragon support, depending on how it's done, doesn't have to be something that breaks the type. The same thing can be said for colorless, I just know which one I would prefer get the attention and that's the one that they are trying to pass of as it's own type as opposed to the one whose purpose they've made clear since day one.
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The Colorless type is the most balanced because they have no interesting cards to work with and giving the type support risk breaking it. It's why Colorless Pokemon are made the way they are. They have to keep DCE in mind, so you won't see a Pidgeot-GX with a 50x attack with a DCE as the attack cost (which is funny because they'll do this for other types. Looking at you Gardevoir-GX>>). The flying type should get its own type because it allows them to do something else with the the Grass and Fighting types a chance to do well in formats dominated by their current weaknesses. I don't want to make this thread about that and would be willing to talk about it in another thread.

Lets say TPC decided to reprint DDE or a Trainer that attaches two Energy to a Dragon type Pokemon and the Stadium card that allows them to evolve when they are put into play. That would instantly break Noivern GX, who would dominate the format, like all the other lock decks did and would make Expanded even more cancerous. Kiawe is a broken and if you go second in a serious against a deck that uses it, like any Ho-Oh-GX build, then you lose the series because that is too much advantage to going first, which is why I want to see that card get banned.

We need to see more defensive cards and less cards that care nukes, which sucks right now because they keep making nukes, which makes them harder to beat with the defensive options we have now. What I would like to see is this;

Skarmory-GX [M] HP190

Ability: Armor Body

This Pokemon takes 60 less damage from attacks by your opponent's [Y] Pokemon with any special Energy attached to it.

[C][C] Wing Cyclone 20x

This attack does 20 damage times the amount of Energy attached to both Active Pokemon.

[M] Metal Screech GX

During your opponent's next turn, your opponent can't play Trainer cards, use Abilities or Retreat their Active Pokemon.

Weakness: [R] x2
Resistance: [P] -20
Retreat Cost: [C][C]
 
There is technically a difference between a colorless Pokémon and a differently typed Pokémon with colorless attacks, and vice versa. Rather it really matters or not in the long run is another question. I don't see why flying would deserve it's own type over things like ice or poison, but yes that is a discussion for another day.

Still something simple could be made to support dragons without it being game breaking in my opinion;

Item
Dragon Claw
Pokémon Tool; Attach a Pokémon Tool to 1 of your Pokémon that doesn't already have a Pokémon Tool attached to it.
Attach to a Dragon Pokémon. This Pokémon's attacks have the colorless requirements on their card reduced by one.

The wording is probably not one hundred percent accurate on the card but I think the point is made for the discussion. Just a bit of help without being broken, in fact if anything considering how easy it is to remove tools it might even be basically useless honestly. With Noivern GX for example it doesn't change the fact that it needs two different types of energy but it does remove the colorless requirement on the last two attacks. I might be wrong but I can't see that being game breaking.
 
Pikachu6319 said:
There is technically a difference between a colorless Pokémon and a differently typed Pokémon with colorless attacks, and vice versa. Rather it really matters or not in the long run is another question. I don't see why flying would deserve it's own type over things like ice or poison, but yes that is a discussion for another day.

Still something simple could be made to support dragons without it being game breaking in my opinion;

Item
Dragon Claw
Pokémon Tool; Attach a Pokémon Tool to 1 of your Pokémon that doesn't already have a Pokémon Tool attached to it.
Attach to a Dragon Pokémon. This Pokémon's attacks have the colorless requirements on their card reduced by one.

The wording is probably not one hundred percent accurate on the card but I think the point is made for the discussion. Just a bit of help without being broken, in fact if anything considering how easy it is to remove tools it might even be basically useless honestly. With Noivern GX for example it doesn't change the fact that it needs two different types of energy but it does remove the colorless requirement on the last two attacks. I might be wrong but I can't see that being game breaking.
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Well I'd say they deserve their own type to give diverse weaknesses. They can make Fighting and Grass types weak to them every once in a while depending on what the format is and there is no real reason to to consider Normal and Flying are the same thing, unlike Water and Ice or Bug and Grass, which are synonymous with one another. Poison should be its own type.

The Dragon Claw is something that would break Noivern-GX, giving it a one Energy 40-70 damage attack with no way to respond to it with a Field Blower. You see why giving such a type, that is more powerful than every other non-Fairy type, such a card right? This is why the colorless type is subpar, because they have to keep in mind DCE and any other card they make that could break them. You do know what Boost Energy is right? If the colorless type had access to this and Max Potion, it would break the type not imagine of they made a version of Boost Energy that didn't have any attachment requirements other than [C] Pokemon.

The goal is to keep in mind what you currently have because we will be with the card for two or three years in Standard. Do you also know about a card called Energy Gain? It broke SP Pokemon.
 
If we're talking defensive Pokemon, I had an idea for something that would do just that.

Mantine GX – Water – HP 200
Friend Guard: At any time during your opponent's attack, if this Pokemon is on your bench, you may switch this with your active Pokemon.

[W][W][C] Rising Tide: 60 damage. Move up to 30 damage from each of your benched Pokemon to the defending Pokemon.

[W][C] Super Rescue GX: Choose one: * Choose as many pokemon on your bench as you like. Move these and all cards attached to them back into your hand. * Shuffle all Pokemon in your discard pile back into your deck.

I am 100% in agreement with crystal pidgeot that one of the big problems with the TCG right now is that everything good is a nuke. Stalling doesn't really work anymore. Because of that, i'd love more cards to help make healing viable to use outside of stuff like Lunala GX. Unfortunately, the best I can really think of on terms of Trainer cards would be to either bring back leftovers, bring back Berry tools, or make new cards similar to assault vest.
 
I think that a Vast Poni Canyon stadium card would be awesome: it should allow Basic Pokemon to evolve directly into Stage 2s without requiring the Stage 1: unlimited Rare Candy in a Stadium!
 
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