What If 4Kids Got Pokemon Back?

@XieRH: Have you heard the Italian openings? Those are probably (in my opinion) the best OPs made for pokemon. :p

I used to like 4kids... But now it just, isn't good anymore. Pokemon isn't going back to it. Although CN is doing pretty bad too (especially with all those new shows which some are horrid). But yeah, CN is still better than 4kids.

P.S. CN needs Toonami back.
 
The company that took over the Pokemon Anime from 4Kids is the same one that took over the TCG by Wizards of the Coast being Pokemon USA. Since Battle Frontier, Pokemon USA did a decent job with the Pokemon Anime mainly in Generation 4 with the Diamond/Pearl series and they did alright with the last half of Generation 3. Even the Movies weren't half bad either, Generation 3 had some great ones and so did Gen 4.

Generation 5 though I'll admit is very lackluster mainly in terms of music which is disappointing but it's alright. I don't know why the music isn't as "electrifiying" as it was when 4Kids used to dub the series in Generation 1 and 2, heck it should be better than the other kids Anime that's being dubbed nowadays like Beyblade: Metal Fusion and Bakugan: Battle Brawlers. I think the FCC may have neutered the Pokemon Anime but I guess that's anyone's guess I suppose.

If Pokemon USA wants the Pokemon Anime to be as great as when 4Kids dubbed it they really need to make it as electrifiying as it was in the late 90's and early 2000's to make it just as memorable, sure they brought back "Whose that Pokemon" but that's not enough. I don't think they're trying hard enough and they don't care about the quality of the Pokemon Black & White Anime series as long as they get paid doing it.

Even McDonald's didn't take the Pokemon brand as seriously as they did in the past as they dropped it from their Happy Meal lineup in a short amount of time for other franchises like Kung Fu Panda or Batman: Brave and the Bold. It's sad but true, however Pokemon is doing great in both the TCG and the Video Games it's just that I think Pokemon USA should step it up a notch to be on par with the Pokemon franchise's popularity in Japan.
 
In terms of Gen 5 music I was reffering to the Anime itself not the Black & White video games themselves. There's a difference.

Also how come Japan gets the PokeRap for the Black & White Anime while the English Dub of Black & White doesn't? I call foul on Pokemon USA's part. I guess they didn't want to ruin the Classic PokeRap by 4Kids back in Generation 1.
 
To be honest, I wouldnt mind 4Kids getting back Pokemon. I MIGHT be speaking from a bias, nostalgic, point of view but it was great back in the day. 4Kids added some great background music that fitted the mood very well and immersed you more into the episode. The voices were also pretty good, and the script was kept at a decent amount of editing.

And OMG, I loved all the theme songs when 4Kids had the series. It felt more energizing and really prepped you up for the episode. Not to mention it wasn't some 30 second quickie.

One gripe I had with the series was:

Pointless Editing: Riceball to Sandwich? Really? Also, the entire episode where Ash caught all those Tauros was cut from the air due to some guy pointing a gun at Ash. That left a big question: "Where did he get all those Tauros from?" A question I never found out until I started using the internet. I know guns are bad, but if other kids networks could show guns.... why not 4Kids?

As of right now, I watch the subbed episodes. I havent been keeping tabs of BW(english) too often, but the dubbed episodes that I've seen were kind of lackluster(not that the subbed version isn't). I hope there will be some improvement later on.
 
Yeah, I meant the anime music too. It's excellent. The one that plays when anything interesting is about to happen is so awesome.

Do-do-do-do-do-do-dum-dum-dum-dum-da-da-dum-dah!

I think the problem with many of you is that you simply expect too much from a kid's cartoon. For what it is, it's very well done. Deal with it.
 
The English Dub isn't what it used to be, infact it's gotten worse since Hoenn. The Japanese Sub's are pretty good though but even still compared to all the other Anime Seasons Black & White/Best Wishes is just very lackluster compared to Diamond & Pearl and Sinnoh League Victors or even Indigo Plateau and the Orange Island Arcs.

I think what made the Pokemon Anime jump the shark was the push for Anime to be in HD and personally I think Anime looks better without HD (High Definition). Nobody ever uses hand drawn animation cels anymore as we rely too much on computer technology for episodes when in the longrun it hurts the overall quality of an Anime series in general.

It's not that I expect too much from a kid's cartoon but deep down you know Japan isn't trying hard enough like they used to back in the late 90's and early 2000's, neither is Pokemon USA either. The economy might be to blame due to budget cuts hurting episode quality which could be the case. I'm just disappointed with the way Pokemon USA is taking the Pokemon Anime nowadays, Generation 4 was great but they severely dropped the ball with Generation 5.
 
YakobTheRed said:
Yeah, I meant the anime music too. It's excellent. The one that plays when anything interesting is about to happen is so awesome.

Do-do-do-do-do-do-dum-dum-dum-dum-da-da-dum-dah!

I think the problem with many of you is that you simply expect too much from a kid's cartoon. For what it is, it's very well done. Deal with it.
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Except I didn't expect much at all. It's pretty easy to tell when they're at least trying to make the episodes good.

I honestly was looking forward to Team Plasma showing up in Castellia(sp) City, since the entire arc in itself looked well done. It would also break this slow moving pace BW is going at. Not to mention the Don Battle thing going on right now is just a rehashed idea from DP.

Card Slinger J said:
The English Dub isn't what it used to be, infact it's gotten worse since Hoenn. The Japanese Sub's are pretty good though but even still compared to all the other Anime Seasons Black & White/Best Wishes is just very lackluster compared to Diamond & Pearl and Sinnoh League Victors or even Indigo Plateau and the Orange Island Arcs.

I think what made the Pokemon Anime jump the shark was the push for Anime to be in HD and personally I think Anime looks better without HD (High Definition). Nobody ever uses hand drawn animation cels anymore as we rely too much on computer technology for episodes when in the longrun it hurts the overall quality of an Anime series in general.

It's not that I expect too much from a kid's cartoon but deep down you know Japan isn't trying hard enough like they used to back in the late 90's and early 2000's, neither is Pokemon USA either. The economy might be to blame due to budget cuts hurting episode quality which could be the case. I'm just disappointed with the way Pokemon USA is taking the Pokemon Anime nowadays, Generation 4 was great but they severely dropped the ball with Generation 5.
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Most anime in general has been dropping in quality ever since they jumped to HD, but that's an entirely different topic.

As of right now, I'd say they're doing better than DP(where DP was at the current amount of episodes). There's still room for improvement, and I'll keep my head up for better things to come. I did the same for DP and it really impressed me along the way. I' sure Best Wishes will do so too. I'll be mad if Team Plasma never make an appearance after this though.
 
I'd keep arguing, but you're all clearly biased in favour of t' good ol' days" (Read that in a strong North-Western (English) accent for best effect.) You like how it used to be, that's your right. But since I started watching the anime in the middle of Battle Dimension, I can say in all honesty that I consider this better. Of course, I watched the original series, Orange Islands and some of Johto too, but that may as well be ancient history. The times they are a-changing.

Tl;Dr: Haters gonna hate. I say again, enjoy it for what it is.

And seriously, who complains about a tournament... there's battles, and shiny HD attacks! And new Pokémon. This is good! Gooood! Gooooood!
 
Ew ew ew ew ew ew...4Kids....ugh.
And all they've been doing is converting old anime to HD and new anime to HD. I don't see a problem, but I have my own opinion and you have yours. The only thing 4Kids did right was the original, iconic, Pokemon Theme. Best move ever. (Don't even get me started on One Piece, because you know I'll go on relentlessly. XP)
Now that I think about it, there were lots of things that 4Kids did right, don't get me wrong.
 
It wasn't just the Original Pokemon Theme that 4Kids got right, they did amazing with the Johto series including Orange Islands up to Battle Frontier in Hoenn where they ended their run dubbing the Pokemon Anime when Pokemon USA took the helm from them when they were under alot of scrutiny with their other Dubs minus Yu-Gi-Oh!

In terms with the way Pokemon USA has handled the Pokemon English Dub so far, the BGM is very lackluster, it doesn't get kids excited to watch the next episode like the 4Kids version did, and while the animation is amazing the quality it didn't need to be in HD. Then there's the problem that the Anime series has been having since Day 1, it has no plot and episodes get too repetitive time and time again. I want to see Pokemon look like it has story involved instead of just being a marketing gimmick Anime which it is.

New Anime has always been in HD because well it's the sign of the times I guess? technology has advanced in a decade's worth of time where you don't need to do Anime and cartoons the old fashioned way with cel drawn animations. Using computer technology for Anime and cartoons is rather the cheap way out of doing all the hard work when it looks better doing all the hard work instead of taking the easy way out. Also people love to sacrifice quality for money when it's unreasonable to do so.
 
I liked the 4Kids songs and the writing. Not really a fan when anime sticks to the Japanese. Well for kid series I mean.
 
4Kids definitely did the best songs and I miss some of the original voice actors, but the paint edits and cuts can get annoying.
 
I think that Pokémon was the only anime 4kids managed to get right in terms of dubbing the series.
 
Starblade said:
Most anime in general has been dropping in quality ever since they jumped to HD, but that's an entirely different topic.
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I will fight you.

Even if 4Kids could dub Pokemon I still wouldn't watch it (Oh god what they did to Yu-Gi-Oh! and One Piece)
 
I wish they stayed! I was waiting for a full version of the song "This Dream", it is one of my favorite Pokémon songs.

Except for the soundtracks and songs, it doesn't really matter much for me who does the dub.

I don't think they will ever change back though :(
 
Blui said:
Starblade said:
Most anime in general has been dropping in quality ever since they jumped to HD, but that's an entirely different topic.
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I will fight you.

Even if 4Kids could dub Pokemon I still wouldn't watch it (Oh god what they did to Yu-Gi-Oh! and One Piece)
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I don't understand what you mean by you will fight who, but you have to agree after many seasons in pokemon even without 4KIDS, TAJ and Poke USA have cut out most Japanese parts in Pokémon Diamond and pearl and even one part in best wishes, like any rash scenes etc in it. What difference will it make?

Im a 4Kids pokemon supporter, and you don't need to support 4kids in anything else besides pokemon because yeah maybe you didn't want parts cut out from yugioh, but TAJ and USA isn't any different.

But in the end its your choice friend.

Im going to do whatever it takes for Veronica Taylor to voice Ash, its not that I don't like Sarah at all, shes great, but I think its unfair for the cast to be cast aside just like that. Imagine if it was you who was in that spot, I wouldn't agree with it. :(
 
I'd imagine pokemon would be worse off if sent to 4Kids. I mean after it went to Cartoon Network I noticed people started to endlessly complain about pokemon and in the battle frontier Ash sounded like a robot. For examle, I picked that up in "Tactics Theatrics".
 
The songs would actually be decent again and pigs could fly.(watch a pig be released that can fly for X/Y :p)
 
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