Xous said:
They aren't even out of the originals yet.
http://www.pokebeach.com/archive/2003_11.html
Scroll down to the story with the Pikachu and Meowth scans. Under the "Interesting Pokemon Fact", you'll see what I'm talking about.
Pokemon What is going to happen after arceus?
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They aren't even out of the originals yet.
http://www.pokebeach.com/archive/2003_11.html
Scroll down to the story with the Pikachu and Meowth scans. Under the "Interesting Pokemon Fact", you'll see what I'm talking about.
Well, the way PMJ predicted, the whole anti-arceus thing, sounds very much like the devil against God. Thus making pokemon not as cutesy as everyone expected. Maybe a horror movie.
But what's with jobless legendaries? I mean, why even call them legendary in the first place? They didn't create legends and such...
But what's with jobless legendaries? I mean, why even call them legendary in the first place? They didn't create legends and such...
1.) God Pokemon? Why do you have to think that? Having the highest stats doesn't mean he's automatically the 'God' Pokemon. Everyone can become gods if your definition of god is 'being the strongest' (Why? Even my D/P team can beat Arceus, why do I have to submit to something that my team can defeat?). Any legendary Pokemon can become 'gods' if the basis is their role on the history of the Pokemon World. Groudon and Kyogre created the world's continents and oceans, so why not include them in the 'Gods' list? Arceus made no actions when it comes to creating the continents and oceans, so it's unjust to give Arceus all the 'glory'.beautiful-swablu said:
2.) I think there will be 5th gen, as long as Pokemon remains a huge hit. They wont stop on manufacturing new Pokemons unless Pokemon's not popular anymore. I don't think Arceus will stop Pokemon Company to manufacture newer and cuter Pokemons....
We don't call Arceus a god Pokemon just because it's the strongest, in the Pokedex data it says it created the universe. If that dosen't make it a god Pokemon, then I don't know what does. Also, Kyogre and Groudon just helped to reshape the earth. Groudon probably split land apart, thus creating a new continent, and Kyogre just fill in low altitude places to create the oceans. That dosen't make them gods.
Yes, Arceus shaped the universe using his so-called 1,000 arms (in contrary to the fact that I can't see the arms that the Pokedex is talking about, guess this passage is not intended to be interpreted literally....), but Arceus is not alone. Wihout Kyogre and Groudon, there would be no oceans and continents. Without Mew, then where can you trace the origin of all Pokemon? Without Ho-Oh, who will be the guardian of the skies? I guess Arceus can't handle the jobs left to the rest of the legendaries. Arceus is a god, as well as the other legendaries. Face the truth that Arceus is not the only god that is worth worshipping.DogMaster40 said:
What about the ones who expanded the space and the creator of time? If Arceus can do ALL of that by himself, I guess it is unnecessary to create Dialga and Palkia....
If you limit the 'god' status to Arceus, that would have been the greatest mistake of the Pokemon Company and GameFreak. Even the ancients worship Ho-Oh, so that doesn't make Arceus the only God. Pokemon can be polytheistic, like in Japan where the games and anime 'Pokemon' originated. Japan is polytheistic, they believe in many gods. So what makes 'Pokemon' different?
Yes, I agree with you, Turtok. It depends on the people if they want to make a Pokemon 'god' or not. Even some ancient people worship Slowpoke, what makes Arceus so different? Every Pokemon can be gods, because of the powers they possess. As long as there are worshippers, there is God. If no one worships Arceus, he can't be god immediately, but rather a celestial being that created the universe.Turtok said:
It is easy for me to separate 'God' from 'creator'. God is only the subject of worship, and anyone can be 'God'... Many people on history had been deified, so I'm not surprised with this 'Arceus is God' stuff.
Bellomence said:
Good points, but I was saying something more along the lines of Arceus's "achievements" are as legendary as it is. It's undoubtedly a powerful cosmic being, but it may not have created the Pokémon Universe.
You guys ever see Braveheart? You know that part where some of the Scots don't believe Wallace is who he is due to all the fantastical legends about him? I see the same happening with Pokémon. Sure, Groudon is told to have created continents and such, but when you do come across it, it may be sleeping in it's own waste in a cave somewhere. It's power is undisputed, it's legendary exploits are another story.
We can't fight the fact that Arceus shaped the universe, because it is stated in the Pokedex once you catch a wild Arceus..... Opponents will use the Pokedex as the only solid reference to say that Arceus' legend is real.... (EDIT: Arceus 'shaped' the universe with its one thousand arms, what are your interpretations? Can 'create' and 'shaped' be synonymous or they have different meanings?)Turtok said:
But it seems wrong that all the glory was given to Arceus, just because he's the creator, giving him a title 'God' when any legendary can hold that status, too. They insist that Groudon and Kyogre can't be gods...
1.) Once I wish to Jirachi that 'give me a universe of my own, and give me power to shape it by myself' then I don't need Arceus anymore....
2.)Team Galactic awakens Palkia/Dialga to create a universe of their own, instead of awakening Arceus.... Palkia/Dialga is enough for them to create a world of their own and don't need Arceus anymore....
That's why I don't feel Arceus being the soloing 'God' of the universe...
speedhost101 said:
Ehem. Well yes.
>.< We are in the fourth generation already -_-
No-one has yet beat my theory? I'm on a role here
.Another theory could be that Arceus is killed by Mewthree, and then Mewfour replaces Arceus. Just to show you how unorigional POkemon are.
Bellomence said:
Professor Oak, while an awesome character, is not omnipotent and had to logically have sources for the information listed in the PokéDex, and while some information, such as Squirtle's back swelling and hardening into a shell at birth, is easily researchable and able to be documented, something such as the creation or shaping of the universe cannot, and Oak likely got his info from legends regarding Arceus. Same goes for the extent of power Jirachi, Palkia and Dialga have, I agree, they are highly powerful but I'd bet your wish would be beyond Jirachi's power, and that Team Galactic over-estimated the Time/Space Dragon's powers and would've been destroyed had Diamond/Pearl not interfered.
You seem to question the power of the legendaries in general.... You question Arceus' role in history, the powers of Jirachi, and even Palkia and Dialga.Turtok said:
I think we have something in common. We question Arceus being god. But unlike you, I don't question the powers of the legendaries in general. I just accept it because of the powers they display in the games and anime. For me, it's not questionable since that's what Gamefreak intended to..... (but since they are legends, you have a point. But in the case of Jirachi, we have witnessed his powers during his own movie, so it is unquestionable).
Pokedex is a hi-tech encyclopedia that records any information, if not all, about the Pokemon you have seen or caught. That's why the Pokedex can tell why Squirtle's like that, and why Charmander needs to keep his flames lit, etc.... We don't know how hi-tech the Pokedex is, and it can record even trivial informations, including their history. Prof. Oak gave the Pokedex in a "blank" state, meaning it's really blank and nothing is written in there, but equipped with hi-tech gadgets that can examine a Pokemon with precise informations. It's up to the trainer to complete it.
That means it is not the professor's research the informations that are recorded in the Dex. It's the Pokedex that you can blame to when the Pokedex states "A legend states that Jirachi will make true any wish that is written on the notes attached to head when it awakens. If this Pokémon senses danger, it will fight without awakening." or "Arceus is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1000 arms". The technology in the current era of the Pokeverse is amazing that it can tell trivial informations by just examining the Pokemon very well....
BUT, I don't believe Arceus is god, because it is fanmade proclamation, and no official claims state that Arceus is really a god of Pokemon, when even Slowpoke is even deified by ancient people of the Pokemon world. Arceus is only a creator, but not as far as Arceus created all Pokemons, that Arceus filled the oceans and teared the continents, or even Arceus is the most superior Pokemon of all. It's a cult, I tell you, a CULT !!!
There will be a 5th gen, and Arceus is not an obstacle for that.
I've just got to say I love debates like these. All the fervor and intellectualism of real religious debates, but since it's about cartoon monsters, no one gets offended! YAY!
Bello, you make some good points, and I'm admittedly not as familiar with the anime as you seem to be. Although I was under the impression that the Dex in the anime had all the info put in already by Oak, while the video game dex info was (in part, especially in Red/Blue) input by the player character. (Since Oak wants you to go forth and fill it.)
Bello, you make some good points, and I'm admittedly not as familiar with the anime as you seem to be. Although I was under the impression that the Dex in the anime had all the info put in already by Oak, while the video game dex info was (in part, especially in Red/Blue) input by the player character. (Since Oak wants you to go forth and fill it.)
Mind you it's the cartoon that gets kids influenced. Soon, they're gonna be mini-athiests and yes, the cartoon will get the blame regardless.
I think there is a 5th generation coming. SPP mentions blurbs once and a great while about it though it is really rare but when he does it sure sounds like it would be in the works soon. If Pokemon were ending then we would have heard about it by now. Pokemon will be around for years to come.
Thou Shall Sleep said:
Aren't they already? With evolution references everywhere, and teachers telling 1st graders it's true, it's practically happened.
DogMaster40 said:
Heck, I have a religion and I believe in it. Charles Darwin was drunk and took drugs. The next thing you know, Tom Cruise and John Travolta are prophets. Crappy.
Sorry if I say this but first of all, 'Arceus is God' thing is fan proclamation and Pokemon developers are silent about it, and secondly, there's no evil Pokemon (according to Jessie's Ekans Philosophy).Fire Pokemon Master said:My theory still PMWZORZ
There will be an evil arceus god thingy in gen 5. Nuff said.
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