What POP did/does to the format

Flygon Jedi Master

Flygon Jedi Master

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I'd just like to take some time to review the current format and the format of the future, the way I see it. This format was POP's time to break almost every rule they ever made. I will now list all the rules I can think of they broke

YOU MAY NOT EVOLVE A POKEMON THE TURN IT COMES INTO PLAY

- Not only did they kill this one with Pokémon Breeder waaaaay back, it went down again with Rare Candy in Sandstorm and just went out the window completely with the release of Broken Time-Space. I'd say this rule is practically meaningless by now

FLIP A COIN TO SEE WHO GOES FIRST

- Haha. Good one. Sableye SF was their answer to this. No more fun yet stressful coin flip at the start of each game. Sableye also allows you to use a Supporter on the first turn, essentially breaking two rules at once.

ONE ENERGY PER TURN

- Double Colorless Energy smashes this rule, making Garchomp C Lv.X a bit overpowered. SP's might as well all have one less colorless energy requirement anyway, what SP deck doesn't run Energy Gain? There's just so much energy acceleration available, but it's barely even needed with top decks like Gyarados using energy only as a method of free retreat. Imagine if Garchomp C Lv.X didn't have Energy Gain, Double Colorless Energy OR Flint's Willpower, it would take three turns to charge it up, and after that you would have to discard two energy and it would take two turns to charge it up again. That's 160 damage over five turns, or an average of about 30 damage per turn, or about one space taken up in your binder if you do the math.

POKE BODIES ARE ALWAYS ACTIVE AND ARE NOT ANNOUNCED

- Right when Dialga G Lv.X came out, every single Poké Body reliant deck simply died. Sure there were a couple Scizor Cherrims, but were they really ever big decks? Shutting off Poké Bodies was a big deal when Dialga G Lv.X first came out, but by now people are least playing Flygon, which is good if it's not Powersprayed...

YOU WIN WHEN YOU DRAW SIX PRIZES

- This has been the most common way to win since the BAse Set, but that's going to change a bit when Gengar prime comes out. Prizes are really just an inconvenience for Gengar while the Lost Zone ends up as an advantage. You might not even have to worry about drawing all six prizes if you run something like Machamp or Kingdra, donk them before they can even get set up, win by luck.

USE TRAINERS AND SUPPORTERS TO SET UP (Yeah I know it's not technically a rule)

- Name a viable deck that doesn't contain the card Claydol or Uxie and I'll give you a million bucks. Eliminating both of these from the format next rotation is POP's way of saying "Okay all you SP decks, we're getting rid of Mewtwo Lv.X and Mr.Mime now too, so feel free to reek havoc on what little stage 2 decks can survive". I've tried to imagine my Jumpluff deck without Uxie and Claydol, and the only words that come to mind are "it would suck". Supporter and Trainers are nice but many decks are very dependent on that extra draw from Claydol and Uxie, and without them they'll just have to rely on topdecking what they need, and we all know how much fun that is.

I do truly believe that POP is not actually as evil as they may occasionally seem. If all the Supporters from the Metagross Leafeon and Battle Starter decks are released in HS Unleashed along with Revived Legends Supporters, we'll be getting about 5 draw cards. Let's take a look at the current format, each turn you will most likely use a CLaydol or Uxie for draw, and from the draw use a specific search card like Bebe's or Roseanne's. Well, the next format allows for almost the same thing. Each turn, you will play a draw Supporter and then use Pokémon Commication as a specific search. Or, you can play a Collector's for a mass restricted search. The speed of the format will be relatively slower, unless people start teching in Magnezone primes as well. As for now, there is an overlap between Pokémon Communication, Claydol/Uxie and draw Supporters, making the current format the fastest EVER.

I prefer a format that's fast, but not too fast as I'm not a big fan of donks although I do admit to playing Jumpluff. I thinks it's fun when rules are broken and love when new elements (like the Lost Zone) are added to the game to add more possibilities for play. If you read the top section, I sound a bit complainy, but I don't really care what POP does, I'm happy as long as they keep making Pokémon cards :)

What you think of what POP did/does to the format?
 
I'm sorry, but what? As Flare said, all rules have execptions, which makes this entire thread moot. Also, POP doesn't make the cards, Nintendo does, so it's unfair to blame them for "breaking rules."
 
Flygon Jedi Master said:
POKE BODIES ARE ALWAYS ACTIVE AND ARE NOT ANNOUNCED

- Right when Dialga G Lv.X came out, every single Poké Body reliant deck simply died. Sure there were a couple Scizor Cherrims, but were they really ever big decks? Shutting off Poké Bodies was a big deal when Dialga G Lv.X first came out, but by now people are least playing Flygon, which is good if it's not Powersprayed...
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Muk ? Muk ex ?

USE TRAINERS AND SUPPORTERS TO SET UP (Yeah I know it's not technically a rule)
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Dark Vileplume ? Vileplume Ex ?
 
6-Dimension said:
I'm sorry, but what? As Flare said, all rules have execptions, which makes this entire thread moot. Also, POP doesn't make the cards, Nintendo does, so it's unfair to blame them for "breaking rules."
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Yeah I know they don't make the cards, but don't you think maybe one too many rules have been broken?

masterryanx said:
Charizard, Scizrim, even Gyarados can get by without them.
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Charizard isn't completely viable at the moment with Gyarados in the format, Scizrim isn't either with Dialga G Lv.X in the format, and Gyardos usually starts with Sableye, but typically uses at least one Uxie drop somewhere.

Zarmakuizz said:
USE TRAINERS AND SUPPORTERS TO SET UP (Yeah I know it's not technically a rule)
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Dark Vileplume ? Vileplume Ex ?
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That's true, but I was talking about the current format. Vileplume from Revived Legends is very similar to the Vileplume you mentioned though.
 
how long have you been playing TCG/CCG's???

from the looks of it, not very long...cards overruling the actual rules of the game have been going in collectible and trading card games for quite a long time now...to be honest, it's probably been that way since these kinds of games came to the scene...card games like Magic:The Gathering and Pokemon are two of the oldest tcg's in america (if not the two oldest), and if you've never played MtG...one of the oldest traits for a monster to have is Haste, which allows for a monster to be played and be able to attack in it's first turn, overriding the Summoning Sickness rule that applies when playing monsters...stating that monsters cannot attack the turn it's been played

there is one common rule among all TCG's and CCG's...the texts on the cards can override the normal rules of the game...that is one of the reasons that these kinds of games are so fun, not every game turns out the same way...and it's the texts of the cards being able to override the normal rules of the game, that help attribute to that immensely
 
Without "rule-breaking"(lol), this game would be very predictable and boring as hell.
That's what the game is about and every single trading card game to have existed.

"ur breakin rulez in yugio bcuz seal off dont let me draww a card on my turn"

And you act like these "rule breaking" effects are always active every single time and game.
 
POP rotates sets out to try and change the format. Lets face it, GG would still be a highly used deck if rotations weren't made as it would still have Dre and Scramble Energy. The season that deck dominated was not fun. There was very little variety and you either had to play GG or something that beats GG to do well in Premier Events. As it was stated mulitple times before, there needs to be a few exceptions to every rule by a card. BTW, you missed several other cards that let you attach another energy per turn. Leafeon LV.X, Feraligatr Prime, and plenty of others.
 
Flygon Jedi Master said:
USE TRAINERS AND SUPPORTERS TO SET UP (Yeah I know it's not technically a rule)

- Name a viable deck that doesn't contain the card Claydol or Uxie and I'll give you a million bucks. Eliminating both of these from the format next rotation is POP's way of saying "Okay all you SP decks, we're getting rid of Mewtwo Lv.X and Mr.Mime now too, so feel free to reek havoc on what little stage 2 decks can survive". I've tried to imagine my Jumpluff deck without Uxie and Claydol, and the only words that come to mind are "it would suck". Supporter and Trainers are nice but many decks are very dependent on that extra draw from Claydol and Uxie, and without them they'll just have to rely on topdecking what they need, and we all know how much fun that is.
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Scizor/Cherrim runs neither Claydol nor uxie, and is just as viable as the player who runs it since the release of arceus he can become a buffering beast and with defender coming back he can do even more until rotation (or longer if it goes SF-on (unlikely but feasible to give us more than 1 SP counter))
 
I have problems with the format, but not with the cards you listed. They all are pretty balanced, but I do have some choice complaints for a few cards/decks.

-Gengar SF
Seriously, I'mma happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but I just think that Fainting Spell is the best Poke-Power... of all time. I remember back in the olden days, I would win so many games with this deck just because of the Poke-Power (granted, we didn't have Crobat G back then, but it's still sometimes hard to get around the Poke-Power). Then, to slap the format right upside the head, they make a counter to the biggest, most used Poke-Power ever, Cosmic Power. Shadow Room is a Claydol killer! Unown G works for a while, and Gengar begins to die down, and then... BOOM! Headshot! Relicanth SV makes its way into the format! Now, we're punished for trying to counter it.; If you play your Stadium and Unown G, Relicanth eats you. If you don't, Poltergeist eats you. This is all fine and good, and we're dealing with all of this random Gengar hax. Then comes Arceus; out of the entire set, one of the three cards in there that has any potential is none other than Gengar Lv.X. You know that Lv.X you made your deck around? Yeah, it's going back into the deck. Bye DGX (the most solid Gengar counter up until it started getting played with Chomp), bye Flygon X.

-SPs
PUSA was literally crazy when they invented these. Being able to use SSU without a flip, giving them unrivaled support options, giving them LOLZRAY LV.X AND GARCHMOP LV.X with DOUBLE COLORLESS ENERGY... IN THE SAME FORMAT.
 
Given, but if the rules are just dropped no one will have to run this cards, this is fine, this is what makes strategy, you have to run this cards, and things can counter them. It isn't just whoever has the higher number wins.
 
Flygon Jedi Master said:
masterryanx said:
Charizard, Scizrim, even Gyarados can get by without them.
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Charizard isn't completely viable at the moment with Gyarados in the format, Scizrim isn't either with Dialga G Lv.X in the format, and Gyardos usually starts with Sableye, but typically uses at least one Uxie drop somewhere.
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There is a difference between a viable deck and a top tier deck. Top tier archetypes that typically don't use Claydol or Uxie? Sure, yeah, you'd be hard pressed to find them. But requesting a list of viable decks opens you up to any thing that can at least hold it's own in the current format. Which all of those decks can still do.
 
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