Put in AOR ariados in there.
Discussion What to Pair with Vileplume AOR?
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I have played around with this deck using Japanese proxies I Photoshoped making them English and it is really good against decks that take +2 hits to knock out. The downfall of this deck is decks that can ohko the Girarina (Machamp EX Raichu Virizion/Genesect (i'm aware virgen is rotating) ETC.) since you can not power it up the turn after a ko breaking part of the lock and doesn't let you do any damage.
How about agai st m ray?
I'm not sure I don't have that deck yet I'll make a proxy deck and test it but it is based around ohko but if you can trap a stadium in there they can't ohko so im not sure. Ill try it and get back to you.
Nice thanks! One more im concerned about is Aegislash-EX.
I run 2 silent lab for aiegislash since I only run special energy.
I have made a Giratina EX/ Vileplume deck by using proxies and it has done really well against what I thought were some pretty competitive decks. Like TheKreisChild said I run 2 Silent Lab for Aeigislash EX and I think this deck will be one of the best tier 1 decks there are. I hope this helps!
Here is a link to my Giratina EX/ Vileplume deck list!
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/threads/giratina-ex-shaymin-ex-vileplume.124920/
Here is a link to my Giratina EX/ Vileplume deck list!
http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/threads/giratina-ex-shaymin-ex-vileplume.124920/
I plan on testing Bannete from roaring skies (both of them) with Vileplume. Evolution lock and item lock is pure evil especially in a format that relies a lot on evolutions (M Ray, Brongzong, P groudon and kyogre, etc). As for expanded I want to try Rotom PLS.
I just can't see giratina being that good of a combo with vileplume, they put out an active wobb and 2 e hammer put them in a better position then you by far. And just due to vileplume's existence after august it's likely we'll see at least 1 hex maniac and 1 wobb in every deck to counter it.
I think the best combo is probably sceptile/vileplume/lugia, it sets up fast and hits fast, with and w/o special energy, decks that play cards like the above mentioned banette will probably have a hard time dealing with lugia just due to how fast the card is to play in general, and will probably be played in every deck just for that reason.
I think the best combo is probably sceptile/vileplume/lugia, it sets up fast and hits fast, with and w/o special energy, decks that play cards like the above mentioned banette will probably have a hard time dealing with lugia just due to how fast the card is to play in general, and will probably be played in every deck just for that reason.
What about Manectric (PRC) Wobuffet and Vileplume? It's like donphan but in electric form
Donphan was good because it had that amazing fighting support of Strong Energy and Fightning Stadium. I do believe Manectric has neither.
Everyone is pretending that they'll play Wobb. And that they'll start Wobb every game. This isn't how it works - you just can't splash Wobb into your deck and expect your Vileplume answers to be solved and your fears of Trainer lock to vanish. No sir.
We're all playing TheoryMon, so I'll tag along and guess Giratina. A big Basic with an incredible Ability and frightening attack is all you need. Someone had mentioned that the downfall of Vileplume is locking yourself out of Trainers...which is true. On the other hand, when you bust through your deck to T1 Plume, you can just play your Trainers prior to playing Vileplume down. That's not the issue. By partnering Vileplume with Giratina, there's no struggle involved in trying to set up more than one Pokémon - Vileplume is it. Chances are you'll be drawing the nuts with Sky Return so that you can manage to lock with Giratina up front and Vileplume on the Bench T1. Your opponent can't Enhanced Hammer your DCE away from your Giratina. Your opponent probably won't one-shot Giratina (without the Mega). But another consequence of Giratina is that heavy Energy cost. You're waiting three turns to attack. That is bad. I dunno if Ariados will see play with Plume, but if that's the case, you'll be relying on Poison damage for three turns before you can do anything. That's...yuck.
This set just needs to drop because it's super exciting and Expanded hype is real.
We're all playing TheoryMon, so I'll tag along and guess Giratina. A big Basic with an incredible Ability and frightening attack is all you need. Someone had mentioned that the downfall of Vileplume is locking yourself out of Trainers...which is true. On the other hand, when you bust through your deck to T1 Plume, you can just play your Trainers prior to playing Vileplume down. That's not the issue. By partnering Vileplume with Giratina, there's no struggle involved in trying to set up more than one Pokémon - Vileplume is it. Chances are you'll be drawing the nuts with Sky Return so that you can manage to lock with Giratina up front and Vileplume on the Bench T1. Your opponent can't Enhanced Hammer your DCE away from your Giratina. Your opponent probably won't one-shot Giratina (without the Mega). But another consequence of Giratina is that heavy Energy cost. You're waiting three turns to attack. That is bad. I dunno if Ariados will see play with Plume, but if that's the case, you'll be relying on Poison damage for three turns before you can do anything. That's...yuck.
This set just needs to drop because it's super exciting and Expanded hype is real.
What this with Giratina EX taking three turns to set up? Either you run M Sceptile to power it up or run 8 special energies and cycle through with Unowns and Shaymin.
The biggest problem is still the speed, vilepume protects you from hammers, but the biggest problem by far is two supporters: Lysandre and Xerosic
If they get to use Xerosic multiple times they'll utterly destroy your energy resource, if they Lysandre your vileplume up you're going to have a lot of trouble getting that thing out of there unless you have one of the two or three AZs in you hand right there and then.
The Giratina train has been quite a ride, it's been going back and forth from mega-hype to "its a collectors items", I think the people who are overhyping it does tend to go a little overboard (me included), but to disregard the card altogether is straight up ignorant with how powerful locking so many things is, and having a safeguard like ability on top, even with Garbador in expanded, and Hex Maniac on the rise is still a huge thing.
Not too long of a wait, we'll see in not too long. I'll never forget the comments regarding "Seismitoad does way to little damage to be used competitively".
The difference between Giratina and Seismitoad is the energy cost. Any attack that can be used for a DCE that either does a lot of damage or locks the opponent in some way will be good. However, an attack that requires a minimum of 2 attachments if using special energy or 4 attachments if using non-special energy is going to have to be incredibly good, and I don't know if I can say that about Giratina.
It is indeed, it's just not good enough to be it's very own deck.
Though putting it in a deck is something else, either in a deck that uses sunbath to attack two basic energies, or using M Sceptile to get it out fast is a nice way to put it out on the field without relying on it too much.
Its not good enough to be a primay focus, but its good enough to see play.