Why DF basic is weak?

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Silver_Cyh

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If you observe carefully, you could notice that most DF Basic Pokemon has lesser HP than previous released Pack. These are some examples:
                                                                                    ()<-*its HP in previous released pack*
Pinsir δ - 60 (70)
Snorlax δ - 80 (90)
Jynx δ - 60 (70)
Lickitung δ - 60
Mantine δ - 50 (60)
Electabuzz δ - 60 (70)
Horsea δ - 40 (50)
Bagon δ - 40 (50)
Chikorita δ - 40 (50)
Cyndaquil δ - 40 (50)
Dratini δ - 40 (50)
Mareep δ - 40 (50)
Natu δ - 40 (50)
Nidoran M δ - 40 (50)
Nidoran F δ - 40 (50)
Seel δ - 40 (50)
Totodile δ - 40 (50)
Trapinch δ - 40 (50)
Wooper δ - 40 (50)

Most of the Basic Pokemon's HP has been reduced by 10. If most of the Pokemon that can evolve to stage 2 HP is 40, they can't survive if Magnetric ex uses <Disconnect>.
Why they reduce those Pokemon's HP?
 
40 HP is ridiculous. If your opponent starts out with a monster that has the weakness of your monster, and goes first, they can probably at least attack for 10 damage (20 weakness). If you don't get another basic, you lose. There is also the matter of bench hitting attacks; attacks like Flame Jet will simply OHKO them on the bench.

The main reason why I've never liked 40 HP was when there were more monsters that can do 20 for 1 energy card. In those cases, you might not even get a chance to have a turn. I remember going first against a promo Eevee (Chain Reaction) with my Gligar. I just attached a DCE to it, and ended the game before my opponent even got a chance to have a turn.

Still, I guess they wanted to have them to be 40 HP for some reason. I know some cards, like ? Bagon have decent attacks for 1 energy, but that still doesn't why other cards like Natu are like that.
 
delta pokemon's only advantage is that it's evolved form is great, but suks when it's basic LOL

anyway, why they make them 40 HP? coz we have ruins, lake and holon engine, thats why
 
obviously coz the evo's have great effects and atks. If not the evolutions would b even more broken than they already r.
 
Well I think they did that because the types you run also conflict. For example,y ou wouldn't normally think of running electric against electric, or psychic against fire. If you run different basics frm different sets with mostly colorless attacks, you're set, and you can have the good basic, as well as the evolution. It's not a big deal, with the sets out, you can easily get plenty of pokemon out to evolve them in no time.
 
DF has a good evolution, but that's just because they're ex. Wouldn't it be unfair to have such low HP? Take an example ->Dratini ? from Ex Delta Species has 50 HP while Dratini ? from Ex Dragon Frontier has only 40 HP.
 
Well in my decks, I don't run any of the DF basics, even if I have the EX or final stage evolution of that pokemon. I try to make my decks pretty mixed, to bring out the best of the mix.
 
It is because if their strong evolutions. They force you evolve faster or your ooponent can kill. I don't know with you all but I think it is very fair.
 
L.O.D said:
It is because if their strong evolutions. They force you evolve faster or your ooponent can kill. I don't know with you all but I think it is very fair.
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Even their evolution is great, but that just because they're ex. What stage 2 evolved Pokemon ex is weak? I think none of them.

Plus, their required energy cost is high too. Other than Altaria ex δ and Flygon δ, They could be hard to charge up.
 
Yes, but with altaria on the bench, or with other strategies, four energies can be no problem at all, and three is an amount to laugh at.
 
They're delta species. And as proven from previous sets, most δ Pokemon have a lower HP amount as a basic than usual.

Arcanine out.
 
well yes all of that is true.
luckily the basic active pokemon i use[horsea delta with sleep ball] has sleep ball which does 10 DAMAGE AND MAKES THE DEFENDING POKEMON ASLEEP.i think thats the best basic from df[i use it lol].i also use natu but as a bench so it wont get sniped.

umn they did that because the ex versions r way strong.
lets take kingra delta for example.
horsea has 40 hp.seadra has 70[the rare 1].kingra has 140.
theres a big hp loop with all of the df exs..
most of the df exs have 150 hp.[kingras pokebody makes it the best x in df,at least thats my opinion.]
but like natu for example.
no 1 uses xatu as an active cuz it gets sniped with 1 blow from lots of stage 1 and 2 pokemon.
most of the non ex cards,if not all of them r used for bench power nothing else.
feraligatrn can b used both ways but to me i say its beter on the bench.
 
delta gym leader said:
well yes all of that is true.
luckily the basic active pokemon i use[horsea delta with sleep ball] has sleep ball which does 10 DAMAGE AND MAKES THE DEFENDING POKEMON ASLEEP.i think thats the best basic from df[i use it lol].i also use natu but as a bench so it wont get sniped.

umn they did that because the ex versions r way strong.
lets take kingra delta for example.
horsea has 40 hp.seadra has 70[the rare 1].kingra has 140.
theres a big hp loop with all of the df exs..
most of the df exs have 150 hp.[kingras pokebody makes it the best x in df,at least thats my opinion.]
but like natu for example.
no 1 uses xatu as an active cuz it gets sniped with 1 blow from lots of stage 1 and 2 pokemon.
most of the non ex cards,if not all of them r used for bench power nothing else.
feraligatrn can b used both ways but to me i say its beter on the bench.
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Most likely they did it since they switched their types. The EXs really aren't all that good, there's only like 2 good EXs in the set IMO.

Arcanine out.
 
Well Horsea is not the best, not by far. I would have to say Pinsir would be the best, at least in limited. I saw it, and it was hard to beat, but along with it's ability or that of heracross, horsea wouldn't do much damage. I'd have to say Kingdra isn't my favorite either. It's nice to have a -10 damage from sage 2 ex, but if you have a shockwave marker, then who cares, you're dead anyways. Also electric pokemon will rip you up if you're not set up.
 
Mew EX said:
Well Horsea is not the best, not by far. I would have to say Pinsir would be the best, at least in limited. I saw it, and it was hard to beat, but along with it's ability or that of heracross, horsea wouldn't do much damage.  
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Pinsir doesn't evolve, so it'll probably stronger than basics who do evolve. Most anything that doesn't evolve'll be stronger than a basic that does evolve.

Arcanine out.
 
i think its cuz the evolution form and the EX's are pretty strong..maybe thats why
plus delta species are abit special..
 
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