BW/BW2 Will 5th gen be forgotten?
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Card Slinger J said:
Well Gear and Mr Ice Cream-whose-Jap-Name-I-can't-bother-recalling are usually the only main targets of constant complaint.
There were those who complained about Mijumaru, etc but that was typical "omgwtfExtremelyNegativeFirstImpressionz11!1!!" that have since worn off.
In fact right now I see more comments about people preordering BW than comments complaining about designs.
I think that it'll be good, but it's not worth all this hype. I like the Pokémon, but some of them are unoriginal and now they have to resort to basing Pokémon on objects instead of animals, it's getting a bit out of hand.
*Edited on 23rd February*
I didn't want anyone taking offence. In fact, after looking more closely, I like some of the object-based Pokemon, Chandelure for example. And what really matters is the game and the stats, not what the Pokemon look like. I like everything else about it. It's the ones that are based on things like rubbish (literally) that I don't like.
*Edited on 23rd February*
I didn't want anyone taking offence. In fact, after looking more closely, I like some of the object-based Pokemon, Chandelure for example. And what really matters is the game and the stats, not what the Pokemon look like. I like everything else about it. It's the ones that are based on things like rubbish (literally) that I don't like.
wtf do you mean "now"
Geodude, Exeggcute, Voltorb, Magnemite, Shuppet, Baltoy, Chimecho, etc were based on objects and aren't Gen V
Tsutarja, Pokabu, Mijumaru, Minezumi, Yoterrier, Mamepato, Monkey trio, Shimama, Mogurew, Kurumiru, Fushide, Meguruco, Ishizmai, Zorua, Swanna, Shikijika, Kumasyun, Kojondo, Buffaron, Monozu, etc are Gen V and not based on objects.
And those are just the ones that can come to my mind now. I can provide you a full list and quote a hard percentage of object vs non object pokemon in Gen V if you want.
The list of Pokemon based on objects was small to begin with. This number seems to be growing too much, I agree that some must be based on objects, and sometimes there is no other solution. But to me it feels like they are trying to avoid the 'animal type Pokemon'.
I believe the term 'instead of' is meant to be a way of argueing against the object-based Pokemon, not the generation in general.
I believe the term 'instead of' is meant to be a way of argueing against the object-based Pokemon, not the generation in general.
These are the posts I really can't stand. First of all, are you insane? They've based Pokemon off objects since it came out. XieRH covered that very well.
Second, saying its not worth all the hype because of THAT? I guess I just don't understand some people. The game isn't even out yet and you're all ready complaining about how "unoriginal" the Pokemon are.
Maybe if you dug a little deeper you'd realize how original some of them actually are. I supposed it's easier to complain than to use your mind, though.
Delta said:
I don't think a gear, a candle and an ice cream in a list of over a hundred equals too much.
Maybe people get the impression that it's too much because those 3 pokemon each evolve twice, bringing the total to 9.
But consider this, would you be happy if you candle evolved into an animal instead of something like a lantern? If you pick this you are probably crazy like the guy who designed the candle pokemon in the first place
Or would you rather the candle not evolve at all and have the empty slot taken up by some other animal pokemon? If you pick this then you are simply biased towards animal pokemon. This is the option I pick, except I don't mind the candle having 2 evolutions. The way I see it, there's tons of animal pokemon I don't like anyway, and I like Shandera much more than animal stuff like Pokabu and Minezumi.
I agree with XieRH.
Except... The "toxic waste" trashbag.
Excuse my pun, but Pokemon designs are starting to get a bit trashy.
EDIT:
By the way, I would much rather have new and unique object based Pokemon than 7th version of another flying-normal bird Pokemon. Just sayin'
Except... The "toxic waste" trashbag.
Excuse my pun, but Pokemon designs are starting to get a bit trashy.
EDIT:
By the way, I would much rather have new and unique object based Pokemon than 7th version of another flying-normal bird Pokemon. Just sayin'
safariblade said:
Completely agree here. There are way to many Flying normal birds. @ XieRH, 'sept some regions have more than one so it's not just another Norm/Fly, it's more than one.
Plus, I don't understand what's wrong with ice-cream Pokemon. Pokemon you can eat without preparation. Course some people prepare them anyway. *cough* CasteliaIceCream *cough*.
Question: How is this on topic? I don't feel like reading the entire thread to find out.
The Vanilite line is not actually ice cream remember. It's just ice and snow. Although I do wondr about how it would taste. Anyways no 5th gen won't be forgotten as it has had a major impact on the Pokemon series. In fact none of the gens will ever be forgotten.
The flying type is only boring me is because there is so many that is - Normal/Flying. If they were just flying I could live with it.
Traditions like starters, rattata types, pidgey types ect ect don't bother me nor I really pay attention to it. For some reason I find myself just rushing through the game and then waiting for the bonuses at the end...of which there are none, I hope this gen can change that.
@XieRH: I don't think I am biased towards animal based Pokemon, considering I chose the last option, I just think that the object - based types should be kept to a minimal.
But yeah, back on topic.
Why do you say that 'none' of the gens will be forgotten?
Traditions like starters, rattata types, pidgey types ect ect don't bother me nor I really pay attention to it. For some reason I find myself just rushing through the game and then waiting for the bonuses at the end...of which there are none, I hope this gen can change that.
@XieRH: I don't think I am biased towards animal based Pokemon, considering I chose the last option, I just think that the object - based types should be kept to a minimal.
But yeah, back on topic.
Why do you say that 'none' of the gens will be forgotten?
If you do that you're not going to be able to experience the game properly. Heck you might even get the feeling that the game was "too short" (and it's a common complaint from people who just choose to blitz through a playthrough rather than go through it at a more reasonable pace, kinda like watching a show in fast forward).
As far as I can tell, people have not "forgotten" stuff. Unless you use "forgotten" in lieu of the word "abandoned". In fact I dont really thing that was the point of the thread in the first place, it seemed more of a "imma tell everyone that Gen V isn't my fave" kind of thread. The question of being forgotten seems more of a rhetoric here. Plus a ton of people already argued against it being forgettable; you'd face an uphill battle against the points they brought forth, which are pretty sound arguments too.
These complaints will never go away...until probably September of this year. Seriously though what are you people complaining about. I've had White since September and have loved it ever since, there is nothing I really have to complain about other than not having access to DW, which is because getting DW pokemon is difficult without connecting with other people. The games keep a constant and nice pace, allowing you to distance yourself from the story to train (and other things), or dive head first. (BTW complaining about the story when an accurate English translation doesn't exist is kind of weak) The pokemon are varied and interesting and even the ones I disliked quickly grew on me with the exception of the final frog evo and Swana.
One common complaint I'm seeing is 'pokemon based off of objects are stupid!' Why? I for one find such pokemon to be very enjoyable, because unlike pokemon based off of animals they end up looking very alien and different instead of the bland bug type (which doesn't exist this gen) and allow for more expansion. Do some of them look ridiculous? Definitely, but many pokemon are, like Ludicolo, and it isn't restricted to object based pokemon. Further there are 11 pokemon in first gen (12 including Ditto), 2 in gen 2 (29 including all of Unowns forms), 12 pokemon in 3rd gen (13 including Castform), and 9 pokemon in 4th gen (15 including Regigigas, and Rotom's formes) that are based off of objects compared to 19 pokemon in gen 5, which where it is more than the other generations, there are still many more in previous generations that don't even raise a single complaint.
I understand it's a new generation and requires time to get used to the pokemon, but complaining about the game before you've even played them is absurd and pathetic, and just to drive my point home. Yes many of the pokemon are silly looking and very strange, but how is that different from previous generations. On the whole the silly pokemon are as important as the cool pokemon that populate the games.
One common complaint I'm seeing is 'pokemon based off of objects are stupid!' Why? I for one find such pokemon to be very enjoyable, because unlike pokemon based off of animals they end up looking very alien and different instead of the bland bug type (which doesn't exist this gen) and allow for more expansion. Do some of them look ridiculous? Definitely, but many pokemon are, like Ludicolo, and it isn't restricted to object based pokemon. Further there are 11 pokemon in first gen (12 including Ditto), 2 in gen 2 (29 including all of Unowns forms), 12 pokemon in 3rd gen (13 including Castform), and 9 pokemon in 4th gen (15 including Regigigas, and Rotom's formes) that are based off of objects compared to 19 pokemon in gen 5, which where it is more than the other generations, there are still many more in previous generations that don't even raise a single complaint.
I understand it's a new generation and requires time to get used to the pokemon, but complaining about the game before you've even played them is absurd and pathetic, and just to drive my point home. Yes many of the pokemon are silly looking and very strange, but how is that different from previous generations. On the whole the silly pokemon are as important as the cool pokemon that populate the games.
This complaining is just unbelievable.
I swear, if I was the CEO of Game Freak I wouldn't announce anything, just release them as soon as they are finished with no initial warning so all of these idiots would stop their incessant and seemingly endless whining.
You people call yourselves Pokemon fans?
I swear, if I was the CEO of Game Freak I wouldn't announce anything, just release them as soon as they are finished with no initial warning so all of these idiots would stop their incessant and seemingly endless whining.
What the hell (yes, there is a censor for that word) is wrong with you? It's a tradition, one I'm glad to see they're keeping. Getting rid of the Flying/Normal tradition is like getting rid of the 8 Gyms, like XieRH said.
You people call yourselves Pokemon fans?
Sadly(with the exception of Japan), this would never work out. Sites like this would always report the Japanese Pokemon, therefore most major fans would know about them.BlueEyedSteelix said:
I have no problem with a new one every generation. I do, however, have a problem with multiple new ones every generation. *Checks how many there are up-to-date* Not counting evolutions, there are twelve. Twelve. Twelve is a pretty large number out of 653, considering there are (17x17) different combinations.The same guy as last time said:
Also, what right do you have to bash people like that. As you said, there is a censor for that word. Do you know why? It's because WPM doesn't want cursing on this site, since many children view these forum.(like 9 year olds) Avoiding censors is not what censors are for.
Why yes, yes I do.The guy I'm angry with said:
No, because the entire game would be developed between closed and padlocked doors.
I don't see 12 Normal/Flying Pokemon as a problem in the least. First of all, each game has it's own evolution chain. I understand that your 12 does not include them, and that's fine. That leaves 7 other Normal/Flying evolutions. 3 of those 7 are from the original generation. The original generation is, and I'm sure you know this already, what people insist was the only "good" generation and what Pokemon "always should have been". That brings us down to 4 evolution chains of the Normal/Flying type combination. That really is not a whole lot considering we currently have over 20 purely Water type evolution chains... Why does nobody complain about that?
I was not trying to avoid a censor, but make sure people understood what I was trying to say, which is why I still censored the word. I think that sentence makes more sense than "what? is wrong with you?". I know that there are younger kids on here, so I censored it.
Also, although it looks like it, that was not entirely directed at you. That was meant to be directed to everyone who finds the smallest, most insignificant things to complain about this new generation of Pokemon. I'm sorry that it was rude, but I'm literally getting sick of it.
Again, this was directed at "You people" and not you in particular. However, I'm glad you consider yourself a Pokemon fan.
Next time, PLEASE, think before you post anything about Black and White that has anything to do with complaining.
BlueEyedSteelix said:
If people didn't constantly bash, complain, argue, and share their opinions on the site, Pokebeach would not have much discussional value, and we would have less members. So in a way, constant complaining is good to the site.
Heh, you're actually kind of right.
Good for the site, bad for the thread. I agree can we please stop complaining and change the topic to the actual thread title?
It sounds like a hate thread, but read between the lines and you'll see that this wasn't my intention.
As I said before -
WHY do you think other generations weren't forgotten and WHY this differs from Gen V?
It sounds like a hate thread, but read between the lines and you'll see that this wasn't my intention.
As I said before -
WHY do you think other generations weren't forgotten and WHY this differs from Gen V?