'World Championship 2017 Decks' Product Image!

My local store is selling the 4 of them together for $63 (taxes included). They're not selling them individually.

Since I don't play at any tournaments and mostly just play with friends/family, I'm considering picking them up. What do people think of that price?
 
Just think of these as replica jerseys of a championship team.

Great for fan wear, bad while playing sports.
 
Ya'll saying it's a bad thing if they made these versions tournament legal but you don't remember the EX Collections Japan had before that were the equivalent of these? A playable equivalent no less?

Japan has gotten these in the form of playable collections while we don't get that. Anyone saying they wish they were playable has every reason to wish that.
 
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Oh boy quite the arrogant poster ain't ya?
They didn't put out the decks, they put out at most, 2 copies of the most played cards in a collection. Staple cards should be more accessible to the players.

This kind of mindset is why this TCG has gone straight down the gutter for me.
 
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TokenDuelist said:
Oh boy quite the arrogant poster ain't ya?
They didn't put out the decks, they put out at most, 2 copies of the most played cards in a collection. Staple cards should be more accessible to the players.

This kind of mindset is why this TCG has gone straight down the gutter for me.
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Unfortuantely, Pokemon TCG isn't Yugioh.

You're gonna hate MTG then. If they do reprint staple cards, they'd end up in a product where you have to pay a lot of cash to obtain it.

Yugioh believes that players should at least have access to staple cards. Magic believes that a card should not be devalued because of reprinting. MTG does reprint some cards, but not as often as Yugioh. I think Pokemon falls in between. They will reprint cards, ahem, look at all those box sets and tins, but they won't overdo it like Yugioh does. Pokemon TCG will reprint some of the better cards, but they won't reprint the best cards. The main format being a set rotational format also means that there is no point in reprinting cards anyway.

Yugioh has many sets that have reprints, in which boosters cost $3.99 per pack. Magic has a reprint masters set which costs $9.99 per pack.

I am trying to figure out how a MTG vs Yugioh is to Right Wing vs Left Wing politics analogy could work, but I couldn't think of one.

It's sort of the same when a person who believes in communism lives in a capitalist society. TPCi has a way they want to run the game, and unfortunately, it doesn't work out for you.

I don't play or even want to get near MTG, Pokemon, or Yugioh tournaments because I don't have to deal with complaining about how hard it is to get that one card everybody wants.

I still don't remember there being a Pokemon TCG product in Japan existing where you are guaranteed to get certain staple cards. The cards you probably thinking about probably can only be obtained via booster lottery anyway, and none of the Japanese TCG products had a guaranteed Tapu Lele GX. The guaranteed card they have ended up or will most likely end up in international box sets anyway.

Another card in the world champ decks is Golisopod GX. That card is in none of the Pokemon TCG Japanese products other than the booster set it belonged to.

If the Japanese product that contains the cards you are talking about is indeed in a booster set, it is no different from buying even more packs of guardians rising, or burning shadows.

Your argument of Japan does this so so should the rest of the world would have merit only if you can name one Japanese Pokemon TCG product, basically a preconstructed deck, where you are guaranteed to get a staple card from one of the 4 2017 world championship decks that isn't already in a box set in the US. Even if you did find one, none of the Japanese preconstructed decks have a Tapu Lele GX.
 
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signofzeta said:
Unfortuantely, Pokemon TCG isn't Yugioh.

You're gonna hate MTG then. If they do reprint staple cards, they'd end up in a product where you have to pay a lot of cash to obtain it.

Yugioh believes that players should at least have access to staple cards. Magic believes that a card should not be devalued because of reprinting. MTG does reprint some cards, but not as often as Yugioh. I think Pokemon falls in between. They will reprint cards, ahem, look at all those box sets and tins, but they won't overdo it like Yugioh does. Pokemon TCG will reprint some of the better cards, but they won't reprint the best cards. The main format being a set rotational format also means that there is no point in reprinting cards anyway.

Yugioh has many sets that have reprints, in which boosters cost $3.99 per pack. Magic has a reprint masters set which costs $9.99 per pack.

I am trying to figure out how a MTG vs Yugioh is to Right Wing vs Left Wing politics analogy could work, but I couldn't think of one.

It's sort of the same when a person who believes in communism lives in a capitalist society. TPCi has a way they want to run the game, and unfortunately, it doesn't work out for you.
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If your only comparison is other card games, then compare it to YGO because of my username then it already tells me you're seeking to be right about something.

All I said was Japan has printed top decks in some form that is easily accessible. Not complete decks - but the cards themselves. They're already very easy to obtain there regardless.

You should be comparing how easy it is to access the cards in Japan compared to North America.

Sorry you're having a tough time accepting this fact though.
 
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If your only comparison is other card games, then compare it to YGO because of my username then it already tells me you're seeking to be right about something.

All I said was Japan has printed top decks in some form that is easily accessible. Not complete decks - but the cards themselves. They're already very easy to obtain there regardless.

You should be comparing how easy it is to access the cards in Japan compared to North America.

Sorry you're having a tough time accepting this fact though.
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The fact of the matter is that none of the Japanese preconstructed decks have "THE" staple cards you are referring to, like Tapu Lele GX. How is that not any different from buying a box set with a GX card in it, much less Battle Arena and Legendary Battle Decks?

Name me a product that you are trying to refer to. I mentioned Yugioh because that is the way they do things. It wasn't your avatar or username that made me think Yugioh, it is your idea that Pokemon TCG should give everyone access to staple cards made me think Yugioh. They most readily reprint staple cards, something MTG is reluctant to do. I do not see an official Japanese TCG product out there that is a "top deck", like the world championship decks. Such products don't exist.

Only looking at the Sun and Moon era, which is what most of these 2017 world champ decks draw their cards from, we have these preconstructed decks from Japan, that are currently released, according to Bulbapedia:

Sun and Moon starter set decks (Decidueye GX, Incineroar GX, and Primarina GX are in their respective premium collections)
Rockruff Full Power Deck (Lycanroc GX is in the Lycanroc GX Box)
Tapu Bulu GX enhanced starter set deck (Tapu Bulu GX is in a tin)
Ash vs Team Rocket deck kit (GX cards haven't been released to the US yet)

None of those 4 decks look like they even compare to these world championship decks.

I don't know about you, but the deck you probably were talking about was one of those fake decks from the black market.

Your argument only has merit if you can tell me the exact name of the Japanese product where they partially printed a "top deck", because in reality, such a product doesn't exist, and even if it did, I would refute that it isn't that cheap to reconstruct that exact deck. Just buy a box set or tin containing the GX card, and some singles, and you have that deck.

Ok, after looking at the price of those box sets, namely the Decidueye, Incineroar, and Primarina premium collections, $39.99 is a joke. I'd rather have them include one GX card in place of one of the rares in a theme deck. That's all I ask for. One thing I hate about both MTG and Pokemon is that they have super expensive box sets that could have been made cheaper if they included less booster packs in them.
 
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The fact of the matter is that none of the Japanese preconstructed decks have "THE" staple cards you are referring to, like Tapu Lele GX. How is that not any different from buying a box set with a GX card in it, much less Battle Arena and Legendary Battle Decks?

Name me a product that you are trying to refer to. I mentioned Yugioh because that is the way they do things. It wasn't your avatar or username that made me think Yugioh, it is your idea that Pokemon TCG should give everyone access to staple cards made me think Yugioh. They most readily reprint staple cards, something MTG is reluctant to do. I do not see an official Japanese TCG product out there that is a "top deck", like the world championship decks. Such products don't exist.

Only looking at the Sun and Moon era, which is what most of these 2017 world champ decks draw their cards from, we have these preconstructed decks from Japan, that are currently released, according to Bulbapedia:

Sun and Moon starter set decks
Rockruff Full Power Deck
Tapu Bulu EX enhanced starter set deck
Ash vs Team Rocket deck kit

None of those 4 decks look like they even compare to these world championship decks.

I don't know about you, but the deck you probably were talking about was one of those fake decks from the black market.

Your argument only has merit if you can tell me the exact name of the Japanese product where they partially printed a "top deck", because in reality, such a product doesn't exist, and even if it did, I would refute that it isn't that cheap to reconstruct that exact deck. Just buy a box set or tin containing the GX card, and some singles, and you have that deck.
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Master Deck Build Box is a good example of it.

There was also one with Kyogre and Groudon around it's theme but I cant seem to find the bulbapedia page for it.

All you're doing is defending bad business practices (which looking at recent products - I'm surprised anyone can defend) and acting closed-minded for the sole purpose of screaming at someone over the internet that you otherwise would not do in person.
 
TokenDuelist said:
Master Deck Build Box is a good example of it.

There was also one with Kyogre and Groudon around it's theme but I cant seem to find the bulbapedia page for it.

All you're doing is defending bad business practices (which looking at recent products - I'm surprised anyone can defend) and acting closed-minded for the sole purpose of screaming at someone over the internet that you otherwise would not do in person.
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Those products are 2 years old, and we may never know whether Pokemon TCG in Japan has changed its stance on how they want to distribute their more rarer cards. So far, they haven't released a similar product

MTG is basically the opposite of what you want in a TCG product. I guess WOTC is doing bad business if they are still making cards for MTG after 25 years. I am not acting close minded. I am not screaming at someone over the internet. I am telling you about reality. Both MTG and Yugioh still print cards, so it is obvious that the fact that a company decides to not readily print the staple cards to help the poor people who couldn't afford them isn't a bad business practice. Just as they give in to your wishes and reprint the cards you so desperately want, there is some collector out there who is going to complain how his card collection is being devalued. Either way, TPCi chose how they want to run the business, and if it makes them enough cash for them to continue making new sets, then it is good enough.

I have been following MTG, Pokemon TCG, and Yugioh, and I do not have enough cash to buy all those products, or even those staple cards. I simply move on. I have my own fair share of complaints about how Fat Packs used to contain 9 boosters and cost $39.99, and now they are renamed bundles and contain 10 boosters and cost $42.99, or how they increase a price of a product and add in a booster pack, thus making it unaffordable for me.

I am unsure about this, but I read somewhere that in Japan, the consumer buy cards in such a way to play the game, but in the US, there are people who buy cards to play the game just as much as there are those who buy the cards for collection purposes, so whatever works in Japan does not necessarily work in the US.

All I am saying is that TPCi won't make it guaranteed you get a Tapu Lele GX for cheap. Your recent argument is basically "you're wrong because you are sitting behind a computer". You are just as much sitting behind a computer. You probably won't make a remark to some person in the card store where you play stating how TPCi isn't reprinting certain cards for cheap, instead, typing up the same thing in the Pokebeach forums. It's not like I can talk to you in person considering I am reading what you are typing instead of listening to what you are saying. Instead of complaining about it here, why don't you take your complaints to TPCi? Since you are saying that you should communicate in person, you have to go to their offices in person and tell complain to their boss in person.

I guess me typing long posts with multiple paragraphs Otaku style is considered "screaming". BTW, Otaku is a user here who is known for long posts.

THIS IS WHAT I CALL SCREAMING.
 
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DKQuagmire said:
I have wanted this for years. why can't they just give us Non Holo GX cards inside these boxes to play with, which have the official Pokemon TCG Backs on the back of the cards. Playing these cards in official tournaments with the cards signed on the front would look so dope! closest thing we have at the moment are pre-release stamped cards, and special event stamped cards, like the Toys R Us Alolan Vulpix card.

I still remember my first worlds deck i bought. don't remember much about it, but it had the word "Ballad" signed on each card and had cards like "Holon's Electrode" in the deck. I miss those Delta Species cards. I guess Alolan Pokemon are kinda like Delta Species, but not really, since they're now canon to the series, and Delta species aren't.

The one worlds deck that made me want to go out and buy real copies of every card to try on my own was the Juniors 2010 Jumpluff "Mass Attack" deck from the HS set (it might of been 2009 but whatever). that deck had the Great Encounters claydol and The Majestic Dawn Uxie draw card with Crobat G SP.

when i built the deck, Claydol had been rotated out, so had to use HS Sunflora in its place. However the deck was able to take a 1st place victory at my first ever battle roads tournament at the time. good times.
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They're not going to put +$300 worth of product in a product only going for $18. Are you insane?
 
Why oh why did they give the Juniors semifinalist a deck when they could've given it to Michael Long, who came 2nd in Seniors! Surely they must reward Bubble shenanigans!
*OFFICIAL-Pokemon hates Greninja*
 
Something on my mind recently came up. I collect preconstructed decks for MTG, Pokemon, and Yugioh, and sometimes, for MTG, WOTC would put a card in it that is very desirable. What happens is that all local game stores and online stores would jack up the price, so you are paying $50, even $60, and if you don't go to Wal-mart or Target just when the product is released, expect it to be sold out, so either way, you won't be getting your cards for cheap.

I wonder what would happen if TPCi included 2 copies of 2 desirable cards in a preconstructed deck? Stores jack up prices to $75 maybe $100, and Wal-mart and Target sold out of the product within a few hours.

It's not bad business practice. It's simple supply and demand.

I guess TPCi could stop printing all the other cool cards and have one printer print only Tapu Lele GX's, but that would be ridiculous.

There's also the TCG model where some cards are meant to be harder to get, compared to the LCG model, where you buy the product, and you get every card.

Just let me tell you. If TPCi made a Tapu Lele GX vs Golisopod GX Battle Arena Deck, I guarantee you that stores will price you out of that item because they couldn't keep it stocked. If you do have that nice store selling it at MSRP, unless you rush to the store right when it comes out, the store clerk will say "sorry, sold out".

I am going to reiterate this. Those world championship decks are built together from tons of money, tons of hours of testing and deckbuilding creativity from someone, and for TPCi to sell a full legal deck of these decks to the general public for $15, IMO, is a huge slap in the face.
 
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I only see these viable for new players really. You can't use these cards to compete and they are decks revolving around the old format. Def not an accurate representation of what the format is currently.
 
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