Yveltal EX / Darkrai EX

RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

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RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

Blah said:
Use this thread for all discussion of the Darkrai EX/Sableye/Hypnotoxic Laser deck. This includes strategies, playstyles, and techs. This is only for the Darkrai variant that focuses on using Hypnotoxic Laser and Darkrai EX as a main attacker. The deck may also include Hammers.

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All discussion not related to Darkrai EX/Sableye/Hypnotoxic Laser will be moved or deleted. All shallow or uninformed discussion will also be deleted by the mods.
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So how does this deck sound to everyone, thoughts/improvments?

3 Darkrai EX
2 Mewtwo EX
2 Sableye
1 Keldeo EX
= 8

4 N
4 Professor Juniper
2 Bianca
2 Skyla
4 Pokémon Catcher
4 Hypnotoxic Laser
2 Virbank City Gym
4 Dark Patch
3 Ultra Ball
3 Energy Switch
2 Bicycle
2 Dark Claw
1 Super Rod
1 Max Potion
1 Dowsing Machine
1 Energy Search
= 40

8 Darkness Energy
4 Double Colorless Energy
= 12

12 Supporters should be enough as I'm running Dowsing Machine and 2 Bicycle as well. Bicycle is just great, it allows you so many combos with Dowsing Machine.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

Honestly, you're running completely worthless cards in this deck from what I can see. Super Rod in a complete waste of space, Energy Search is terrible, and Bicycle is an iffy card. You're also missing a lot of staples, Random Receiver, you NEED two Keldeo EX because Accelgor/Gothitelle/Dusknoir.

Also I'd love to point out the fact that Darkrai/Mewtwo/Lasers is still one of the strongest decks in the format. It got me 5th out of 35 Masters today in a $2 tourney, and I only lost to Blastoise, and a TDK donk.

I'm just wondering how does this deck beat TDK in the long run though. I just can't find a way to do that, unless I tech in Enhanced Hammers.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

@blazeguy, your list looks pretty good. The only change I'd make is one MrGatr mentioned.

MrGatr said:
Super Rod in a complete waste of space...
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This one. I'd probably take this out for another Dark Claw, or maybe an Eviolite (really good against Plasma, especially in Mewtwo/Deoxys wars). Other then that, it's quite a nice list.

MrGatr said:
Energy Search is terrible...
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Hahahaha no. Energy Search is good with Skyla, Dowsing Machine, and helps thin the deck out in general.

MrGatr said:
... and Bicycle is an iffy card. You're also missing a lot of staples, Random Receiver...
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Bicycle is never bad in Darkrai. Random Receiver can be cut, if you're running Bicycle, since they both are good draw in the form of an Item card.

MrGatr said:
... you NEED two Keldeo EX because Accelgor/Gothitelle/Dusknoir.
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Unless you're facing anything but Accelgor. The second Keldeo is pretty much like a second Tool Scrapper: Really good against Accelgor and Garbodor respectively, but totally dead in every other match up.

MrGatr said:
I'm just wondering how does this deck beat TDK in the long run though. I just can't find a way to do that, unless I tech in Enhanced Hammers.
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Herp derp.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

Actually, double Keldeo is a nice thing to have because you don't need to worry about those stupid situations where your Keldeo stays asleep and you're forced to pass and do nothing. That combined with the fact that you turn an auto loss to Gothitelle into a fantastic matchup, and it seems worth the space.

TDK is actually a decent matchup even without hammers. Absol is the bane of Plasma's existance because they can't function very well without a full bench and Darkrai can tear through the 170 hp EX's. It's not that great because Kyurem OHKO's can become really dangerous but it's generally favorable for Darkrai.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

Machamp the Champion said:
@blazeguy, your list looks pretty good. The only change I'd make is one MrGatr mentioned.

MrGatr said:
Super Rod in a complete waste of space...
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This one. I'd probably take this out for another Dark Claw, or maybe an Eviolite (really good against Plasma, especially in Mewtwo/Deoxys wars). Other then that, it's quite a nice list.

MrGatr said:
Energy Search is terrible...
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Hahahaha no. Energy Search is good with Skyla, Dowsing Machine, and helps thin the deck out in general.

MrGatr said:
... and Bicycle is an iffy card. You're also missing a lot of staples, Random Receiver...
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Bicycle is never bad in Darkrai. Random Receiver can be cut, if you're running Bicycle, since they both are good draw in the form of an Item card.

MrGatr said:
... you NEED two Keldeo EX because Accelgor/Gothitelle/Dusknoir.
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Unless you're facing anything but Accelgor. The second Keldeo is pretty much like a second Tool Scrapper: Really good against Accelgor and Garbodor respectively, but totally dead in every other match up.

MrGatr said:
I'm just wondering how does this deck beat TDK in the long run though. I just can't find a way to do that, unless I tech in Enhanced Hammers.
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Herp derp.
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Double Keldeo also helps against Quad Snorlax as you can double rush in and secret sword. It helps against the matchup so much.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

MrGatr said:
Energy Search is terrible
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One Energy Search is a staple in this deck and has won me games by ensuring T2 Night Spears countless times even with no Skyla.

dmaster out.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

There should be at least one Energy Search in each deck. Skyla can turn into a Energy Search.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

what does everyone think is the minimun for energy switch?
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

I wouldn't go any less than 3. It tends to be the optimal number, 2 seems like too few and the 4th can be overkill (although if you have room, it's not wasted space by any means).
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

im running three in my version, but i was thinking of cutting one for an energy switch. i dont wanna post a list as i may run darkrai for us nationals. however, i find toolscrapper and max potion as completely necessary 1 of tecs. i just need room for energy search
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

I don't think Tool Scrapper is super necessary. Garbodor is relatively unpopular right now and getting rid of Float Stones doesn't normally change games. Stuff like Energy Search and Energy Switch are generally more important.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

Heres my list:

3 Darkrai EX
3 Sableye
2 Absol
2 Keldeo EX

4 Professor Juniper
4 N
2 Skyla
1 Bianca
2 Random Receiver

4 Ultra Ball
4 Hypnotoxic Laser
4 Dark Patch
3 Pokemon Catcher
3 Energy Switch
2 Enhanced Hammer
2 Dark Claw
1 Bicycle
1 Energy Search
1 Computer Search

2 Virbank City Gym

10 Dark Energy

Heres some changes that my friends think I should make:
-1 Ultra Ball
-1 Energy Search
+1 Enhanced Hammer
+1 Pokemon Catcher

I would like to keep those cards in my deck but just as equally put those cards in my deck. What should I take out to put those in there?
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

littywitty said:
Heres my list:

3 Darkrai EX
3 Sableye
2 Absol
2 Keldeo EX

4 Professor Juniper
4 N
2 Skyla
1 Bianca
2 Random Receiver

4 Ultra Ball
4 Hypnotoxic Laser
4 Dark Patch
3 Pokemon Catcher
3 Energy Switch
2 Enhanced Hammer
2 Dark Claw
1 Bicycle
1 Energy Search
1 Computer Search

2 Virbank City Gym

10 Dark Energy

Heres some changes that my friends think I should make:
-1 Ultra Ball
-1 Energy Search
+1 Enhanced Hammer
+1 Pokemon Catcher

I would like to keep those cards in my deck but just as equally put those cards in my deck. What should I take out to put those in there?
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Sometimes Dowsing Machine can be the better Ace Spec because you might need to get back a Virbank or a Catcher if you don't want to use Junk Hunt late game.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

Blueinvader said:
littywitty said:
Heres my list:

3 Darkrai EX
3 Sableye
2 Absol
2 Keldeo EX

4 Professor Juniper
4 N
2 Skyla
1 Bianca
2 Random Receiver

4 Ultra Ball
4 Hypnotoxic Laser
4 Dark Patch
3 Pokemon Catcher
3 Energy Switch
2 Enhanced Hammer
2 Dark Claw
1 Bicycle
1 Energy Search
1 Computer Search

2 Virbank City Gym

10 Dark Energy

Heres some changes that my friends think I should make:
-1 Ultra Ball
-1 Energy Search
+1 Enhanced Hammer
+1 Pokemon Catcher

I would like to keep those cards in my deck but just as equally put those cards in my deck. What should I take out to put those in there?
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Sometimes Dowsing Machine can be the better Ace Spec because you might need to get back a Virbank or a Catcher if you don't want to use Junk Hunt late game.
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100% Disagree on this one. While dowsing machine MIGHT be useful for winning the stadium war, junk hunt is a better versian of it. And I realize that it's only items, wheras dowsing can grab supports and stadiums too, it's still better imo. Computer search helps a ton early game, and if you can't set up relatively quickly with darkrai you run into some trouble. Especially with early game pressure.

It's worth testing, but from what I've found computer search is the play.
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

Aggressiv said:
Blueinvader said:
Sometimes Dowsing Machine can be the better Ace Spec because you might need to get back a Virbank or a Catcher if you don't want to use Junk Hunt late game.
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100% Disagree on this one. While dowsing machine MIGHT be useful for winning the stadium war, junk hunt is a better versian of it. And I realize that it's only items, wheras dowsing can grab supports and stadiums too, it's still better imo. Computer search helps a ton early game, and if you can't set up relatively quickly with darkrai you run into some trouble. Especially with early game pressure.

It's worth testing, but from what I've found computer search is the play.
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Oh I agree, that's while I said sometimes. How often do you guys use Junk Hunt late game?
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

I think Computer Search is way better because how fast Plasma Box is
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

So what do you think I soulf take out to put in a catcher abd an enhanced hammer?
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

this is mine list
9 Pokemon
3 Sableye
3 Darkrai EX
2 Absol
1 Keldeo EX

4 Professor Juniper
4 N
2 Bianca
1 Colress
3 Random Receiver
4 Ultra Ball
4 Dark Patch
4 Pokemon Catcher
4 Hypnotoxic Laser
3 Dark Claw
3 Energy Switch
2 Virbank City Gym
1 Computer Search
1 Ehanced Hammer
11 Dark Energy
 
RE: Darkrai EX / Sableye / Hypnotoxic Laser / Virbank City Gym

In the future, please make sure decklists contribute to the discussion in some way. It needs to at least have an explanation or bring up various points of discussion about the deck.
 
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