The decklist in the OP is my current list
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Expanded Zorbees! (Vespiquen/Zoroarks)
- Thread starter Draskk
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What do you do against oricorio?
Zoroark GX survives Oricorio.
maybe i could run one karen just for oricorio and if i am facing a different variant of vespiqueen. Are you going to San Jose?
To elaborate on this, just focus on getting the 180 damage Zoroark and not on powering up Bee Revenge so Oricorio is useless.
Karen in a Vespi deck? That's kinda screwy xD
Also this deck survives Karen easily. Karen gives you more Pokemon to Bench with Zoroark.
No I'm not, I can't play IRL due to the fact that there isn't a league near where I live.
Yeah, the Karen could be for quickly switching modes, from vespi to zoroark really quickly, without relying on the opponent. for example, they could have aome pokemon with 180 hp like volcanion or something and you can't one shot them with vespi, you could karen and use zoroark
Idk about that. You shouldn't have a problem getting 16 Pokemon into the discard to OHKO a Volcanion, between Unown, Shay, Compressor, Sycamore, Trade, etc. It is kind of a cool idea though.
Maybe i will switch a sycamore for a vs seeker.
That's actually not a bad idea, I just decided to go with 4 Sycamore/3 VS because of how common Item lock is in Expanded. Otherwise I'd definitely play that.
Well, around my area, there isn't much item lock, so i just naturally slide towards playing more items. You have zoroark, anyway
True, and if your area doesn't have much item lock I'd go for it
Well, the next tournament i am going to is San Jose reigonals, and im from washington, so I have no clue what will be played. Probably primarily necrozma garb.
So, I think I have been playing the deck in a way it isn't meant to be used. When I play, my first turn is pretty neutral, I try to at least get a Combee, Zorua, and Unown (one of each, but I do like getting more if I can) while using Battle Compressor once to discard two Eggexecute and Orcicorio (depends on the match up, most of the time I'll use Wonder Tag on a Tapu Lele GX to grab Ghetsis and disrupt my opponent). When it's my second turn, I literally explode with cards and most of the time can set up a Zoroark GX with a full 8 (Sky Field) on my bench. After that, I just try to take as many K.O.s with Zoroark GX (maybe two) until it is either K.O.ed or I run out of Sky Field. At that point, I sweep with Vespiquen when most of my cards are gone and Pokémon have been removed from the bench once Sky Field is replaced. This plan is completely disrupted my Item lock, since I can't "explode" on my seconded turn without Items.
So, I think I should do as you mentioned @GekkisaiDaiNi and @The Last Shaymin, by removing the fourth VS Seeker and add in a fourth Prof. Juniper. Also maybe switch my playstyle against Toad to more of what you were saying @GekkisaiDaiNi by exploding with Vespiquen first turn and take advantage of the weakness. Just watch out for Oricorio (since Combee has that low health first turn). I have been donked a few times by Hypnotoxic Laser, Virbank City, and Seviper, so staring with Combee is a little rough, but I think I'll manage. Thanks for the feedback though, I appreciate the info!
Also, what do you think of Ghetsis? I think it gives you at least an extra turn of set up and stalls your opponent while you add some pressure next turn. I play one, but I only play two Shaymin EX and I think I really need to find room for a third (also looking for a Computer Search or Dowsing Machine, I'm stuck with Master Ball until I do). I'd rather not remove the Ghetsis, but unless I can't find anything else to take out, I may have to.
Anyways, let me know what you think, thanks!
(By the way, good luck @The Last Shaymin, show everyone what Zoroark GX/Vespiquen is made of for us at San Jose!)
btw i probably am going to use necrozma garb unless i get 2 zoroark gx by San Jose
Actually this is exactly how I play the deck in most matches (minus the T1 Ghetsis); just against Toad you have to play more torwards Vespi and try to set up your hand with DCEs and Vespiquens for the next turn on turn one VS Toad. VS Trev, I treat the deck as Speed Zoroark.
Toad lists tend to run Karen and not Oricorio, since the combo of a Knockout, Item Lock, and Karen is basically GG to Night March, the only Battle Compressor deck currently in the meta.
I'd take out Master Ball for the third Shaymin until you can find a Dowsing Machine. It's just not a very good card.
I like Ghetsis, but the list is so tight, I really don't see how to fit one in. Plus I dislike the RNG factor it brings; I've had many an opponent use Ghetsis on me turn one only to help me by shuffling away something like a VS Seeker when I was about to Juniper.
I forgot to mention that I have played at lot against Toad because a friend of mine plays it in Expanded (the only deck he plays in Expanded) and happens to play Oriocrio instead of Karen (probably since no one in our area plays Night March and there are a few people who play Vespiquen variants, Gyarados {which Oricorio is good against as well}, etc.). I'll take your advise though on that most Toad players are using Karen, so I won't worry about that in Regionals and other big tournaments.
I'll try taking out the Master Ball for a Shaymin EX (though I wish I could take advantage of an Ace Spec) for now until I do get Computer Search or Dowsing Machine (whichever comes first).
I know sometimes Ghetsis can backfire, but the times it works it really pays off. It works well on Psybox (which I've found plays a lot of items), Vespiquen variants, Night March, etc. Not to mention it draws cards (which is the selling point for me). Keep in mind, sometimes I use it, sometimes I don't. I'm (at least in my opinion) great at reading what type of hand my opponent has based on facial expressions, body language, etc. (which doesn't work on PTCGO
) so timing the Ghetsis in certain matchups works for me. Just a matter of opinion though, I prefer Ghetsis in my list, but it isn't necessary. I can take it out if needed.If you want I can show you my list, I think it's pretty solid besides the obvious holes (like no Ace Spec) but I've managed to squeeze Ghetsis in. Here it is.
Pokémon*27
Combee*4 AOR
Vespiquen*4 AOR
Zorua*3 DEX
Zorua*1 SHL
Zoroark GX*3 SHL
Zoroark*1 BKT
Unown*4 AOR
Eggexecute*2 PLF
Oricorio*1 GRI
Shaymin EX*3 ROS
Tapu Lele GX*1 GRI
Trainer*29
Professor Juniper*3
N*1 FCO
Colress*1 PLS
Guzma*1 BUS
Mallow*1 GRI
Hex Maniac*1 AOR
Ghetsis*1 PLF
Ultra Ball*4 SUM
VS Seeker*4 PHF
Battle Compressor*3 PHF
Rescue Stretcher*1 GRI
Special Charge*2 STS
Choice Band*2 GRI
Float Stone*1 BKT
Sky Field*3 ROS
Energy*4
Double Colorless Energy*4 SUM
Combee*4 AOR
Vespiquen*4 AOR
Zorua*3 DEX
Zorua*1 SHL
Zoroark GX*3 SHL
Zoroark*1 BKT
Unown*4 AOR
Eggexecute*2 PLF
Oricorio*1 GRI
Shaymin EX*3 ROS
Tapu Lele GX*1 GRI
Trainer*29
Professor Juniper*3
N*1 FCO
Colress*1 PLS
Guzma*1 BUS
Mallow*1 GRI
Hex Maniac*1 AOR
Ghetsis*1 PLF
Ultra Ball*4 SUM
VS Seeker*4 PHF
Battle Compressor*3 PHF
Rescue Stretcher*1 GRI
Special Charge*2 STS
Choice Band*2 GRI
Float Stone*1 BKT
Sky Field*3 ROS
Energy*4
Double Colorless Energy*4 SUM
Once again, thanks for the feedback! Let me know what you think, thanks!
Edit: Fixed some typos, sorry about that!
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Just thought I'd post the playstyle of the deck since after reading through my posts I don't think I've made much sense regarding the playstyle
T1: Blast through Shaymins, use Sky Field, and drop a ton of Zoruas and Combees, hopefully getting 8 benched Pokemon T1.
T2: If they bumped Sky Field, discard all your Shaymins. During your next turn, discard tons of mons and go into Vespi mode. Or, if your able to, set up the 8 Pokemon Sky Field bench again and slam with Zoroark. If they don't bump your Sky Field, hit them with Zoroark until they find a way to get rid of it.
Once they get rid of the Zoroark you started the game with, bring out Vespi and sweep.
T1: Blast through Shaymins, use Sky Field, and drop a ton of Zoruas and Combees, hopefully getting 8 benched Pokemon T1.
T2: If they bumped Sky Field, discard all your Shaymins. During your next turn, discard tons of mons and go into Vespi mode. Or, if your able to, set up the 8 Pokemon Sky Field bench again and slam with Zoroark. If they don't bump your Sky Field, hit them with Zoroark until they find a way to get rid of it.
Once they get rid of the Zoroark you started the game with, bring out Vespi and sweep.
Just thought I'd post the playstyle of the deck since after reading through my posts I don't think I've made much sense regarding the playstyle
T1: Blast through Shaymins, use Sky Field, and drop a ton of Zoruas and Combees, hopefully getting 8 benched Pokemon T1.
T2: If they bumped Sky Field, discard all your Shaymins. During your next turn, discard tons of mons and go into Vespi mode. Or, if your able to, set up the 8 Pokemon Sky Field bench again and slam with Zoroark. If they don't bump your Sky Field, hit them with Zoroark until they find a way to get rid of it.
Once they get rid of the Zoroark you started the game with, bring out Vespi and sweep.
So you give your opponent the choice of who they want to take on, Zoroark GX or Vespiquen, by filling up you bench with Skyfield and passing the turn on to your opponent. Than they have to decide if they want to bump the Stadium and power up Vespiquen or take on the 210 HP Zoroark GX. Your giving your opponent an ultimatum, which can be somewhat demoralizing (to your opponent) in certain cases. Good idea!
The only problem I see with this is you opponent can fuel Oricorio after bumping Skyfield with the discarded Pokémon and snipe your Combees (since it's Turn 1) while leaving you without Skyfield and a full bench. This a rare case scenario (since your opponent is more than likely to save Oricorio for late game) but I can see some people trying this. Only downside is that your opponent has to play Oricorio, have a stadium removal option and energy (or Dimension Valley), and have to get Oricorio in the active spot. Seems a little risky to be using it in this way, so I don't think you have to worry about it to much. Psybox seems the most capable to do it, but I haven't seen anyone try it yet.
Overall though, I like it. I think the reason I play differently is because I don't play Oranguru, so saving Shaymin EXs for later on is more important (and I play Ghetsis while having a more passive start). Anyways, thanks for the explanation!
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Have you thought about playing puzzle of time? you can use it by playing 1 to get favorable cards with trade, or play 2 to get stuff from your discard.