Zoroark Brutal Bash [BW On]

[JimboJumbo]

RE: Sableye/Zoroark Energy Eater [BW On]

Unfortunately, if you want to be able to make this BW On, there's a lot of changes that you have to make. Two of the biggest things we lose is free retreat Sneasel and Rescue Energy. To combat that, you don't have a choice but to play the DEX Sneasel and more switch and SkyArrow Bridge to substantially increase the chances of t1 ascension. By emptying your hand with as low as possible with Ultra Balls, and using Level Balls to search for the Pokemon you need, Bianca and Juniper will help get through your deck as quickly as possible.

While this deck does have some inherent flaws, making it BW On won't be impossible but I don't have a clue how it will compete with the meta at that time.

 

[HiTMichael]

RE: Sableye/Zoroark Energy Eater [BW On]

Unfortunately, if you want to be able to make this BW On, there's a lot of changes that you have to make. Two of the biggest things we lose is free retreat Sneasel and Rescue Energy. To combat that, you don't have a choice but to play the DEX Sneasel and more switch and SkyArrow Bridge to substantially increase the chances of t1 ascension. By emptying your hand with as low as possible with Ultra Balls, and using Level Balls to search for the Pokemon you need, Bianca and Juniper will help get through your deck as quickly as possible.

While this deck does have some inherent flaws, making it BW On won't be impossible but I don't have a clue how it will compete with the meta at that time.

Do you mean i need to play 2-2 Weavile from ( ND-ND ) for a Eviolite Tech or a 2-2 Liepard ( BW-EP ) for Snipes when Zoroark are setting up, and get out Sableye? I really can`t take out Darkrai EX because the free retreat can save my game, and the Skyarrow Bridges only works on basics meaning my Zoroark and anything can`t be used for that purpose. Yeah i can see the point with Switch, but this requires slots then.
Yeah you`re right about the Ultra Ball that`s why i`m running 4 Bianca 4 Juni 2 N 2 RR

Tnx again

 

[JimboJumbo]

Personally, I'd just play 4 Sneasel DEX and SkyArrow Bridges and switch. Putting Darkrai in the deck does provide you with free retreat which is nice, but you'd have a few problems.

Wasted Energy drops on pokemon that won't attack
Darkrai is a free 2 prizes against anyone who's playing with Terrakion or other Fighting type pokemon.

That's the main reason I didn't and still won't play with Darkrai in the deck. You'll end up devoting more resources and card slots to make Darkrai a "back up" attacker. In the end, you'll just have a bad Darkrai list because you'll end up using it more than you need to. IMO making the deck as simple as possible and focusing on getting an attack every turn with Zoroark's Brutal Bash is much more important.

 

[HiTMichael]

Personally, I'd just play 4 Sneasel DEX and SkyArrow Bridges and switch. Putting Darkrai in the deck does provide you with free retreat which is nice, but you'd have a few problems.

Wasted Energy drops on pokemon that won't attack
Darkrai is a free 2 prizes against anyone who's playing with Terrakion or other Fighting type pokemon.

That's the main reason I didn't and still won't play with Darkrai in the deck. You'll end up devoting more resources and card slots to make Darkrai a "back up" attacker. In the end, you'll just have a bad Darkrai list because you'll end up using it more than you need to. IMO making the deck as simple as possible and focusing on getting an attack every turn with Zoroark's Brutal Bash is much more important.

So your lis of Pokemon is like this?

4-4 Zoroark ( Dex-Dex )
4 Sneasel ( ND ) i didn't find the DEX you said, and why Sneasel?
Only?

And the I/S/S/T list have:
3 Switch
2 Skyarrow Bridge

That's your changes?

 

[JimboJumbo]

So your lis of Pokemon is like this?

4-4 Zoroark ( Dex-Dex ) Actually 4-3-1
4 Sneasel ( ND ) i didn't find the DEX you said, and why Sneasel?
Only?

And the I/S/S/T list have:
3 Switch
2 Skyarrow Bridge

That's your changes?

I explained myself above. Missing energy drops sucks so you can't really afford to attach else where other than your attackers. There isn't any other supportive Dark type in the deck that benefits Zoroark in anyway. Darkrai is NOT a supportive pokemon in this deck because you shouldn't have a need to retreat Zoroarks to begin with, not to mention wasting a turn attaching to another pokemon is going to set you back.

The switches and SkyArrow Bridges are to increase the chances of you getting a t1 Ascension, which I have found is pretty vital to the deck being able to take off as quickly as it does. Like I also said before, I haven't tested this but if I had to continue with Zoroark in BW on, this is how I would make a list.

Pokemon 12

4-3-1 (DE Zorua, DE Zoroark, BW Zoroark)
4 Sneasel

TSS 38

3 Switch
2 SkyArrow Bridge
4 Bianca
4 Juniper
2 Cheren
2 Ultra Ball
4 Pokemon Catcher
2 Super Rod
3 Dark Patch
2 Dark Claw
2 Exp Share
2 Rescue Scarf
3 Level Ball
2 Random Receiver
1 Tool Scrapper

Energy
10 Dark Energy

Again, it's untested and just a rough draft of what I'd likely use.

 

[HiTMichael]

Tested and maked the changes, taking out Darkrai EX for 2 Switch, running better than before. But sometimes the bench is empty and Zoroark hits for only 40-60, 10% of the times i hit only for 20 =/

JimboJumbo
The Rescue Scarf and Exp Share doesn't help this deck in my tests, Super Rod can be used but rarely, Skyarrow Bridge is a lot useful, but need to be setted in T1 but in my tests that Skyarrows just come when i don't need and Cheren i'm planning to put in trade of my 2 N, but need to test more. 3 Switch is good but i'll use only 2, and like you said is running better than Darkrai EX.

 

[JimboJumbo]

Like I said, I haven't tested this deck at all for BW on so I won't know what works or doesn't work.