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I'm... just gonna stop you from having a four-page debate, because we've been exactly there. The "Bulbasaur and Cyndaquil say hi" bit was also used. At least the second Froakie evolution looks different enough to be an actual evolution, because it follows Sugimori's art style. Fennekin's...

Yeah. I looked back at Froakie's supposed final evo and decided it was a bit better than I'd previously thought. I missed a few details. Fennekin's final evo doesn't look quite as similar as I'd thought... I didn't notice the black coloration on the hands, for example, or the change in facial...

Okay, scratch what I said about Gallantoad. I'm looking at it now, and it follows similar trends. It's larger, looks meaner, and the markings on its body are different. I stand by what I said about Fennekin's supposed final evo, though I'm pretty sure that was debunked awhile ago anyway. And I...

I'd think the speciation would account for something like growing from a hedgehog into a porcupine, or vice versa. I can't recall exact examples, but I know some Pokemon evolve to different real-life-species counterparts based on similar characteristics shared between species. And yeah...

Okay. So it looks like there's substantial debate on this. You can throw out the bipedal bit, as it's apparently bipedal/quadrapedal. However, I still see substantial changes in base design. The face of Quilava is gentler, but Typhlosion's face resembles Tyranitar's. I think this is due to the...

No, but it looks much more formidable. That should have been "hardier"/"meaner". Although I guess I saw some details in Meganium's sprite that aren't present in all artwork (the slight hardening of facial detail, which I saw because of the sprite where it's apparently yelling), the color scheme...

Actually, yes. Typhlosion is bipedal. If you can find a legit image where Typhlosion isn't standing on two legs, then I'll give this one to you. And you're really simplifying this. To take it further, Venusaur has markings on its face that Ivysaur did not. Its eyes are further closed and...

That's a pretty major "if". Not only do I doubt the artwork, I'd question how anybody would obtain any of this information at this point, since Nintendo's not revealing anything. They have one minor announcement slated for tomorrow. The whole thing just looks wrong, and I wouldn't put any...

I've covered Ivysaur. The Gen II starters all change in body structure, and their faces generally look more hardy and meaner. Marshtomp, again, fits the above qualities, in addition to its becoming quadrepedal, and so does Pignite. It's never just a matter of slapping on a detail or two. There...

Well, I'm not just saying they look very similar, as there's always some resemblance. I'm saying they look nearly identical. There's no facial variance between either of the two rumored final forms and their second evolutions. The body shape is also identical. With every starter, you see some...

False. There are drastic changes in the artwork for all of those forms. Ivysaur's eyes close and its flower blooms completely. Quilava's eyes also glare in its final evolution, and it becomes bipedal. Typhlosion looks completely different, by the way, though there is a strong resemblance. And...

I'm now 100% sure this is fake, and you can tell from the starter evolution art. The second evolutions of starters never look this similar to the first evolutions. It looks like you've taken the second forms of the starters and made them mega. Also, I'm pretty sure GameFreak said there would...